So Barca go 343


So Barca go 343

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Back to the drawing board for strayan sockah development.

Berger to cut and paste a new curriculum.
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If you remember 1-3-4-3 is a formation first used by Rinus Michels and Ajax in the 1960's. Johan Cruyff used the 1-3-4-3 for Barcelona in the 1990's, as Pepe Guardiola was in this team he would be very familiar with this system of play.

You will also find at that level, a team like Barcelona may start 1-4-3-3 but as the game goes on their shape is fluid and will move to a 1-3-4-3 or when they are pressing very hard for a goal to a 1-2-5-3. It is even been said that as Messi plays a False No. 9 that at times they play a 1-4-4-2 but the 4 midfield in a diamond formation or line up

The rationale for using 1-4-3-3 in the Australian context is as a development tool at junior and youth levels, I remeber as a junior in the '70's we always played a 1-4-3-3 the midfielders were called a centre-half, an inside-left and inside-right. My rational for using it is I like wingers.


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you need to read the whole article at zonalmarking.net

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Arthur wrote:
If you remember 1-3-4-3 is a formation first used by Rinus Michels and Ajax in the 1960's. Johan Cruyff used the 1-3-4-3 for Barcelona in the 1990's, as Pepe Guardiola was in this team he would be very familiar with this system of play.

You will also find at that level, a team like Barcelona may start 1-4-3-3 but as the game goes on their shape is fluid and will move to a 1-3-4-3 or when they are pressing very hard for a goal to a 1-2-5-3. It is even been said that as Messi plays a False No. 9 that at times they play a 1-4-4-2 but the 4 midfield in a diamond formation or line up

The rationale for using 1-4-3-3 in the Australian context is as a development tool at junior and youth levels, I remeber as a junior in the '70's we always played a 1-4-3-3 the midfielders were called a centre-half, an inside-left and inside-right. My rational for using it is I like wingers.



Why are you including the keeper in the formation? You're always going to have a keeper - you HAVE to have a keeper. Putting him in the formation is redundant. 1 at the back is a sweeper.

Try this:

http://www.fcbarcelona.cat/web/english/noticies/futbol/temporada11-12/08/29/n110830107909.html

3-4-3 doesn't work that often, because like Pep says, you need some quality players at the back, and the wingers tend to be quite static, so they have to be smart players and capable of covering more distance than normal. The All Whites used 3-4-3 in the WC because they had the inkling to go forward, but they ended up being overly defensive and had Tony Lochhead and Leo Bertos pinned back, so the only route was through the middle or long balls out from the edges. And with the wingers pinned back, they sacrificed the ability to go forward. If they'd tried moving forward more against Italy, they would have thrown themselves to the wolves. They didn't even try against Paraguay.

Napoli and Milan and Liverpool have also used it, but it's not a formation that can be trusted. Napoli's success has been patchy, and Milan have been on the end of some hidings when they've used it. If it's working, it's working, and your players are comfortable with it and fit enough to do it then you can gain a wonderful lead or erase a deficit quickly - like Liverpool, in the Champions League final 2005, when they came back from 3-0 down to score 3 because Steve Finnan came off for Dietmar Hamann.

Pep actually showed utter contempt for Villareal. And Villareal played with a donkey line, far too high and static like a bunch of muppets standing still and waiting for things to happen.
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dizzy_red wrote:

Why are you including the keeper in the formation? You're always going to have a keeper - you HAVE to have a keeper. Putting him in the formation is redundant. 1 at the back is a sweeper.



I put it in because if I didn't someone would have said why I didn't but from now on I won't include it.
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With regard to listing the keeper or not, in a performance section it is entirely relevent as you do not always have a designated keeper in your playing system depending on the level that the particpants are at.

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Rush goalie in competition?

Keepers are keepers.
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You are seriously not going to compare a system used by barca and a youth development system.:oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:
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343 and 433 are very similar systems,barca played this 343 system largely due to not having Alves playing, so Pep decided to change system to fit in Thiago as a RM while iniesta played as a LM, i dunno whats ur rant about Chips but its pointless to compare what barca did in this game to a actual development system.
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A formation is deemed to be a dev system?

Pisser. :lol:
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Judy Free wrote:
A formation is deemed to be a dev system?

Pisser. :lol:

As you well know the 433 formation is a major part of the development system.
As you should well know it is used so as to expose players to a specific style of play, it is not nor was it ever intended to be the only system that fully developed players would use.
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Arthur wrote:
You will also find at that level, a team like Barcelona may start 1-4-3-3 but as the game goes on their shape is fluid and will move to a 1-3-4-3 or when they are pressing very hard for a goal to a 1-2-5-3. It is even been said that as Messi plays a False No. 9 that at times they play a 1-4-4-2 but the 4 midfield in a diamond formation or line up

The rationale for using 1-4-3-3 in the Australian context is as a development tool at junior and youth levels...


It's almost like Bartha adapt to the situation at hand, not unlike 99.9% of other teams, as they realise that winning is everything.

Incidentally on development, there are plenty of 18-20 year olds playing top flight results oriented football in this exact same environment. Indeed lots of them tend to develop very well.

This kinda made it all the more amusing to me when the SBS boys became outraged with Versleijen for daring to change his tactics during the recent u20 WC. Apparently the rigid nature of the NC takes precedence over European footballing reality.

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Arosina wrote:

Apparently the rigid nature of the NC takes precedence over European footballing reality.


Realistically the NC isn't "rigid" more like some people's interpretation of it is.
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