krones3
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I can not agree with this articles conclusion When i walk around the fields i see players with poor technical ability this is clearly poor training from young. I believe we need to focus on the technical ability of each individual player from U7 through to U13. Then more game awareness training.
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dirk vanadidas
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an article on game sense training http://www.thefa.com/GetIntoFootball/FALearning/FALearningPages/~/media/Files/PDF/Get%20into%20Football/FA_Learning_YouthModule2/Coaches%20experiences%20of%20Game%20Senses.ashx/Coaches%20experiences%20of%20Game%20Senses.pdf
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Decentric
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I'm coaching (inadvertently) an under 17 team who are top of the top division in the spilt state league ATM in conjunction with a mid ranking under 15 team in the second division, as well as a few random individuals at CFP.
There are technical flaws in a lot of the under 17 players.
The mid ranking under 15s were the bottom ranked team in division three just 9 months ago. The under 15s have comparatively better inside of the foot one and two touch passing technique on average than the star under 17 team. They have performed a lot of explicit isolated training on their technique in general, but have also done plenty of SSGs and game related exercises, such as rondos and player in soups (Arsenal Academy in the sticky).
I am using isolated technique, such as the Barca Academy Directional Control exercise, to scrutinise what the under 17 players are doing wrong. Their lack of technique in an isolated sense, means many of these players can't pass the ball effectively enough with the inside of the foot over 15-20 metres. This is a great exercise to scrutinise footwork.
At this point in time FFA's edict is to have all coaching done in game related situations. State FFA don't like what I do in terms of coaching isolated technique, always at the beginning of sessions. Of course it is mixed up with game training scenarios, but I think players are improving considerably more quickly in terms of cold, hard technique than what players are in any of the FFA programmes.
In terms of game sense, the kids in elite FFA programmes are pretty good. I also think players enjoy the 'everything learnt in game context' a lot more, but ultimately many will struggle in the future and have limitations on their future. The FFA method is to only change a player's technique if it is not achieving the desired outcome.
The star under 17 team members appear to tire quickly of isolated technique. They don't seem to aspire to improving their game. Conversely, many of the younger players we've coached at CFP who've gone on to higher honours and the fast improving under 15s, seem happy to do it, because of the great improvement in their game.
Coerver and Brazilian Soccer Schools impart specific techniques.
I just hope that we are not going to be coaching to meet the needs of Generation Y and Generation Z, because of a shorter concentration span.:-k
What happens at ASA, Aussiesrus?
Edited by Decentric: 8/5/2012 09:07:35 AM
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krones3
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Barca4Life wrote:General Ashnak wrote:I wouldn't say BR are fitter than other teams, they are more efficient at utilising their fitness and forcing opposition teams to work harder than they would be otherwise. Yeah well put, i think the coaching and maybe the type of players is crucial in the end the type of players is crucial in the end 100% and often overlooked. I always wonder about trying to play this type of football with 10 technically good players and 1 fast but unpredictably technically poor player. A team does all the work and when that player receives the ball he miss kicks it or can not get the pass away. The style will break down through his inability and the teams lack of faith in him.
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Barca4Life
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General Ashnak wrote:I wouldn't say BR are fitter than other teams, they are more efficient at utilising their fitness and forcing opposition teams to work harder than they would be otherwise. Yeah well put, i think the coaching and maybe the type of players is crucial in the end
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Decentric
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General Ashnak wrote:I wouldn't say BR are fitter than other teams, they are more efficient at utilising their fitness and forcing opposition teams to work harder than they would be otherwise. Good comment. =d>
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General Ashnak
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I wouldn't say BR are fitter than other teams, they are more efficient at utilising their fitness and forcing opposition teams to work harder than they would be otherwise.
The thing about football - the important thing about football - is its not just about football. - Sir Terry Pratchett in Unseen Academicals For pro/rel in Australia across the entire pyramid, the removal of artificial impediments to the development of the game and its players. On sabbatical Youth Coach and formerly part of The Cove FC
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nearpost wrote:Barca4Life wrote:Good to see u back Decentric, i was wondering about the Brisbane Roar why their fitness levels are so high compared to the other a-league teams in the league, especially how they had a 6 month off season, they always finish off the game strongly, its a shame my club Sydney cant do the same :D So three comebacks for Sydney FC - goals in the last minute - looking like Sydney might be fitter this year after all:)- maybe just not as fit as Brisbane. Are Brisbane fitter than Sydney or simply able to retain the ball much much more. Amazing how tired you are when you have to chase the ball in the second half. Anyway Sydney's performances since Brisbane suggest they are fit enough - but are they good enough!!! Yeah i now realise that after the 3 games sydney have played which produced some great comebacks, so yeah maybe fitness isnt a issue after all! :d But i think they cant keep the ball like brisbane though which suggest to me that the coaching methods are not the same as brisbane, thats why brisbane is ahead of the rest still and long it may continue, keen how they would face up against the best in asia in the ACL thats everyone wants to see imo.
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Barca4Life wrote:Good to see u back Decentric, i was wondering about the Brisbane Roar why their fitness levels are so high compared to the other a-league teams in the league, especially how they had a 6 month off season, they always finish off the game strongly, its a shame my club Sydney cant do the same :D So three comebacks for Sydney FC - goals in the last minute - looking like Sydney might be fitter this year after all:)- maybe just not as fit as Brisbane. Are Brisbane fitter than Sydney or simply able to retain the ball much much more. Amazing how tired you are when you have to chase the ball in the second half. Anyway Sydney's performances since Brisbane suggest they are fit enough - but are they good enough!!!
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krones3
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Barca4Life wrote:Good to see u back Decentric, i was wondering about the Brisbane Roar why their fitness levels are so high compared to the other a-league teams in the league, especially how they had a 6 month off season, they always finish off the game strongly, its a shame my club Sydney cant do the same :D Short intense practice games. but you did not hear it from me.
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Decentric
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Barca4Life wrote:Good to see u back Decentric, i was wondering about the Brisbane Roar why their fitness levels are so high compared to the other a-league teams in the league, especially how they had a 6 month off season, they always finish off the game strongly, its a shame my club Sydney cant do the same :D The Jets were the same last week, GCU the same this week.
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Barca4Life
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Good to see u back Decentric, i was wondering about the Brisbane Roar why their fitness levels are so high compared to the other a-league teams in the league, especially how they had a 6 month off season, they always finish off the game strongly, its a shame my club Sydney cant do the same :D
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Decentric
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RedKat wrote:See nothing wrong with individual training. call me a loner but i enjoy just going up to the park with a ball and doing some training
I don't think it it is a question of being a loner. Most elite coaches will tell you that all players need to work on skills individually to progress to elite level. I'm sure we all know players who have never progressed to the level they can attain, because they don't have the self-discipline to train by themselves to improve individual weaknesses. I bang my head over one player in a senior team in our split state league. The player has been told the club needs the player to be really fit this coming season. The player's fitness levels are well below their technical/tactical ability. If this player gains significant improvements in fitness, there is a strong likelihood the player will become the key player in the team as the controlling midfielder. The team would likely improve on the ladder as the controlling midfielder's position was a weakness last season. This player has superb vision, technical and tactical ability. The team nearly always maintains a compact shape when this player is on the pitch. What has the player done about attending to the fitness issue? Nothing. ](*,) Edited by Decentric: 30/10/2011 09:34:29 PM
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Decentric wrote:krones3 wrote:Isolated training is extremely useful for correcting some aspects of technique. Totally agree. By the way congratulations on a relative's recent success, Krones. I read it somewhere on the internet. Who were the coaches? DA? :d He did well DA was one of them but not his main one. The main thing is that the selectors in Queensland this year got it 100% right. and as i predicted because of this the correct message is getting through loud and clear to the coaches. The standards have really lifted and there is purpose behind the theory. It is very exciting to be up here at this time.
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Decentric
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krones3 wrote:Isolated training is extremely useful for correcting some aspects of technique. Totally agree. By the way congratulations on a relative's recent success, Krones. I read it somewhere on the internet. Who were the coaches? DA? :d
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Judy Free wrote:Barca4Life wrote:I was reading through a coaches blog from Gus Cerro a former NSL player regarding player development, he thinks that isolated training is not affective to teach kids to play in tigher high pressured areas, any thoughts on this? The link is here... http://foundationssportsgroup.blogspot.com/2011/09/what-is-isolated-training.html?spref=twJust wondering what you guys think this type of training method especially for the youngsters is effective??? Edited by Barca4Life: 15/9/2011 08:14:42 PM Decentric wont be pleased with this. In his view the quality of any training session is measured purely by number of touches. If a player is inside of the foot passing with her/his non-kicking foot at the incorrect angle to the ball, isolated training is needed. The passing will ultimately break down under pressure in match situations and as pressure increases. The same principle applies to tennis and cricket. At FFE we've retrained kids with poor basic technique. Isolated technique training has a purpose. For advanced players with good technique in all facets of the game, isolated training may be superfluous in some cases. :d Edited by Decentric: 30/10/2011 07:30:22 PM
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krones3 wrote:Isolated training is extremely useful for correcting some aspects of technique. Agreed, as long as it's not overdone. BTW, Gus Cerro was a very technically gifted midfielder back in the '90s
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It all depends on why & how it is being used. Any form of training in a reductionist sense is unhelpful, it is only when many different forms of training are utilised that their effect is ultimately beneficial.
The thing about football - the important thing about football - is its not just about football. - Sir Terry Pratchett in Unseen Academicals For pro/rel in Australia across the entire pyramid, the removal of artificial impediments to the development of the game and its players. On sabbatical Youth Coach and formerly part of The Cove FC
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Isolated training is extremely useful for correcting some aspects of technique.
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Barca4Life wrote:I was reading through a coaches blog from Gus Cerro a former NSL player regarding player development, he thinks that isolated training is not affective to teach kids to play in tigher high pressured areas, any thoughts on this? The link is here... http://foundationssportsgroup.blogspot.com/2011/09/what-is-isolated-training.html?spref=twJust wondering what you guys think this type of training method especially for the youngsters is effective??? Edited by Barca4Life: 15/9/2011 08:14:42 PM Decentric wont be pleased with this. In his view the quality of any training session is measured purely by number of touches.
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I was reading through a coaches blog from Gus Cerro a former NSL player regarding player development, he thinks that isolated training is not affective to teach kids to play in tigher high pressured areas, any thoughts on this? The link is here... http://foundationssportsgroup.blogspot.com/2011/09/what-is-isolated-training.html?spref=twJust wondering what you guys think this type of training method especially for the youngsters is effective??? Edited by Barca4Life: 15/9/2011 08:14:42 PM
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