Blackmissionary
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No12 wrote:I hope it works better in Victoria. We have a whole raft of issues in Victoria, but for the most part, who goes up and who goes down is reasonably straightforward.
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it doesnt sound too promising. but u never know, look what happened to blacktown city until lily holmes came
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We understand that since Friday of last week there have been numerous rumours circulating regarding the status of the South Coast Wolves for the 2012 season. While it is true the South Coast Wolves are facing certain financial and operational challenges, the Board and committee of the South Coast Wolves are working closely with the Football South Coast Board and Councils, Football NSW and the broader football community to take the necessary steps to ensure full participation by the South Coast Wolves in NSW Premier League season 2012. All parties are fully committed to the retention of the elite pathway for our region.
Logistical issues led to the cancellation of trials over the weekend, but trials will go ahead as previously scheduled this week at Unanderra Park.
If you have any further questions please contact Sasho Petrovski on 4283 3379 or 0425227922.
thats from there website so i got no idea. feel free to call sasho and find out lol
as for FNSW, they are vulchers, they take so much and give f/All back.
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Minimalistix wrote:No12, if a team outside Sydney is good enough, they can be accepted. Get over it. Bathurst have been stuck in Division 2 for god knows how long. You know why? Cause they suck. Spiro :lol:
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No12 wrote:for example W/Gong Wolfs kicked out of the comp due to the financial issues and how many clubs are financially unstable in NSW? I hope it works better in Victoria.
FNSW didnt kick them out though... the rumour was that they had gone broke big difference
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Minimalistix
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No12 wrote:Benjamin my issue is not with how many Sydney teams participate in NSW PL or the name of the competition, my issue is with financial burden of FNSW to the clubs participating in the comp and not puting some of that money back in to the game, for example W/Gong Wolfs kicked out of the comp due to the financial issues and how many clubs are financially unstable in NSW? I hope it works better in Victoria.
Minimalistix you are missing the point (I never mentioned Bathurst nor that FNSW should change its name) You are forming opinions :^o by reading the first sentence of my text only, read this very slowly and you will understand what I said:
“It would be very nice for our game to grow and teams from other regions are also included in the NSW PL (if they are good enough), this could be possible if FNSW starts putting some of the money back in to the game. What is your opinion about the financial state of our game in NSW? (Yawn, on the other hand please do not bother)
FNSW putting money back in the game should not be FNSW bailing out clubs. Why are they? The FFA to do it
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South Coast basically have two major issues - one: they don't own their own stadium, and two: they don't have a social club. The Fraternity Club is the base of Football South Coast, but Wolves don't own it; I know a lot of money goes into the football club from the Frat, but obviously it's not enough. The stadium issue was meant to be sorted years ago, when the NSW Govt gave FSC $9m to build a new ground in Cringila (~5km south of Wollongong CBD), but that went tits up; now the ground is dilapidated and still nothing has been built there. Add to that the WIN Stadium roof issues and you get a NSWPL club playing at a paddock in the boonies. If SCFC had that ground, they could look at using it as a club base: build a social club and futsal pitches, then include the community in the club as a whole in both the administration of the club and the continued running of the facilities.
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Benjamin my issue is not with how many Sydney teams participate in NSW PL or the name of the competition, my issue is with financial burden of FNSW to the clubs participating in the comp and not puting some of that money back in to the game, for example W/Gong Wolfs kicked out of the comp due to the financial issues and how many clubs are financially unstable in NSW? I hope it works better in Victoria.
Minimalistix you are missing the point (I never mentioned Bathurst nor that FNSW should change its name) You are forming opinions :^o by reading the first sentence of my text only, read this very slowly and you will understand what I said:
“It would be very nice for our game to grow and teams from other regions are also included in the NSW PL (if they are good enough), this could be possible if FNSW starts putting some of the money back in to the game. What is your opinion about the financial state of our game in NSW? (Yawn, on the other hand please do not bother)
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Kolner wrote:sav wrote:thupercoach wrote:SydneyCroatia wrote:[quote=sav]hmm
maybe football nsws administration to blame. they need to get strickter and control the clubs money and fees. theres always scum at club level ripping the clubs off grrr You sound like somebody who doesnt know what theyre talking about. South Coast have struggled financially for a number of years now. They went down the 'community club' path a couple of seasons ago and have basically begged the community for donations a couple of times now. Not saying there's anything wrong with that, but it usually leads to trouble sooner or alter If the community wasnt interested in supporting this club I dont see the benefit in establishing a new one for the sake of having Illawarra represented. What will change with the next club that is set up? [/quo And you may well be right SydCro. If that's the case, what i am hoping for is that the FFA are currently in discussions with potential investors - either in the Southern region via reviving the state league club, or with a view to establishing a HAL side there in a couple of seasons' time. Or indeed some kind of South Coast/Canberra amalgam, although I am not convinced these work. so certain local businesses seem to be trying to help the club. like i said before theres no money in the league so its very hard for all these clubs. there plight isnt helped when football NSW take a large chunk of the rego fees (especially at youth level) and leave the clubs with even less. also football nsw puts certain expectations on clubs that makes it even harder, things like certain staduim sizes required and stuff like that. I think FNsw should help the club by not taking the money off it for a year or two to help get the club back on its feet or monitor the expenditure and cap them like the ffa tries.but i think in the end of the day no matter what there is just no money in the league. also regarding it to be a complete NSW league once again its difficult. the players need to give alot for little or no return in these leagues and alot are still students and stuff like that so travelling to bathurst to play and stuff like that is very difficult and costly for these guys, r u seriously saying that FNSW's minimum requirements with respect to stadiums is onerous? what would you like to see, our premier state comp played in local parks? as for FNSW fees, i agree, arguably these should be less and also, prizes should be higher. but having said that, the fee structure should not be to blame for clubs failing to balance the books. From what I've heard this is exactly what is going to happen as FNSW want a team from Illawarra. This is completely unfair. No other club in the league gets financial concessions. Penrith didnt, they went broke. Macarthur didn't. Wollongong definetly shouldnt! Edited by aussietarfan: 20/10/2011 10:41:31 AM
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sav wrote:thupercoach wrote:SydneyCroatia wrote:[quote=sav]hmm
maybe football nsws administration to blame. they need to get strickter and control the clubs money and fees. theres always scum at club level ripping the clubs off grrr You sound like somebody who doesnt know what theyre talking about. South Coast have struggled financially for a number of years now. They went down the 'community club' path a couple of seasons ago and have basically begged the community for donations a couple of times now. Not saying there's anything wrong with that, but it usually leads to trouble sooner or alter If the community wasnt interested in supporting this club I dont see the benefit in establishing a new one for the sake of having Illawarra represented. What will change with the next club that is set up? [/quo And you may well be right SydCro. If that's the case, what i am hoping for is that the FFA are currently in discussions with potential investors - either in the Southern region via reviving the state league club, or with a view to establishing a HAL side there in a couple of seasons' time. Or indeed some kind of South Coast/Canberra amalgam, although I am not convinced these work. FYI below is the list of community members sponsoring some first grade players for the club Brody Crane - i98fm Alex Mansueto – Convenient Chemist
Dave Abel – Illawarra Credit Union
Jacob Timpano - City Motor Group[b]
Nick Littler – Austbrokers City State
Samat Kaynak – Codina Real Estate
Andres Gomez – Wollongong City Guardian Pharmacy
Mark Picciolini – Illawarra Wire Rope
Sasho Petrovski – Kara Smash Repairs
Chris Nathanial – OPortos Chicken
Jack Keating – Bulldoze All Bowlos
Stjepan Paric – VKP Premier Accountants
Cameron Littler – Warehouse King
Zac Freeburn – CDN
Peter Simonoski – Elders Real Estateso certain local businesses seem to be trying to help the club. like i said before theres no money in the league so its very hard for all these clubs. there plight isnt helped when football NSW take a large chunk of the rego fees (especially at youth level) and leave the clubs with even less. also football nsw puts certain expectations on clubs that makes it even harder, things like certain staduim sizes required and stuff like that. I think FNsw should help the club by not taking the money off it for a year or two to help get the club back on its feet or monitor the expenditure and cap them like the ffa tries. but i think in the end of the day no matter what there is just no money in the league. also regarding it to be a complete NSW league once again its difficult. the players need to give alot for little or no return in these leagues and alot are still students and stuff like that so travelling to bathurst to play and stuff like that is very difficult and costly for these guys, r u seriously saying that FNSW's minimum requirements with respect to stadiums is onerous? what would you like to see, our premier state comp played in local parks? as for FNSW fees, i agree, arguably these should be less and also, prizes should be higher. but having said that, the fee structure should not be to blame for clubs failing to balance the books.
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Benjamin don't try, it's a little to hard for him to understand.
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No12 wrote:The competition is called NSW PL, you can not have Sydney comp and call it NSWPL. We have the VPL down here, the Victorian comp consisting entirely of teams from Melbourne. Put very simply - they are the best sides in the state, competing in the Premier competition within the state. Doesn't matter if they are all from one city or not.
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No12 wrote:Minimalistix wrote:No12, if a team outside Sydney is good enough, they can be accepted. Get over it. Bathurst have been stuck in Division 2 for god knows how long. You know why? Cause they suck. I got nothing to get over, my point is that we have Sydney comp and call it NSW PL and our sport is not growing state wide. How many FC are financially stable in NSW? Football teams are successful because of the coaches and players that are playing for them and they need to get paid. More money better football (1+1=2 stuff). Why is our association FNSW draining teams/ players resources with astronomical fees compared to other sports and put very little back in to our sport? Good players are coming trough the youth ranks but than leave the sport at senior level. Rugby, AFL, Cricket put more money back in to their sports it is time we also do that. So u expected the comp to change it's name every seasons depending on how many Sydney and non-Sydney teams are in the comp ](*,)
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sav
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thupercoach wrote:SydneyCroatia wrote:[quote=sav]hmm
maybe football nsws administration to blame. they need to get strickter and control the clubs money and fees. theres always scum at club level ripping the clubs off grrr You sound like somebody who doesnt know what theyre talking about. South Coast have struggled financially for a number of years now. They went down the 'community club' path a couple of seasons ago and have basically begged the community for donations a couple of times now. Not saying there's anything wrong with that, but it usually leads to trouble sooner or alter If the community wasnt interested in supporting this club I dont see the benefit in establishing a new one for the sake of having Illawarra represented. What will change with the next club that is set up? [/quo And you may well be right SydCro. If that's the case, what i am hoping for is that the FFA are currently in discussions with potential investors - either in the Southern region via reviving the state league club, or with a view to establishing a HAL side there in a couple of seasons' time. Or indeed some kind of South Coast/Canberra amalgam, although I am not convinced these work. FYI below is the list of community members sponsoring some first grade players for the club Brody Crane - i98fm Alex Mansueto – Convenient Chemist
Dave Abel – Illawarra Credit Union
Jacob Timpano - City Motor Group[b]
Nick Littler – Austbrokers City State
Samat Kaynak – Codina Real Estate
Andres Gomez – Wollongong City Guardian Pharmacy
Mark Picciolini – Illawarra Wire Rope
Sasho Petrovski – Kara Smash Repairs
Chris Nathanial – OPortos Chicken
Jack Keating – Bulldoze All Bowlos
Stjepan Paric – VKP Premier Accountants
Cameron Littler – Warehouse King
Zac Freeburn – CDN
Peter Simonoski – Elders Real Estateso certain local businesses seem to be trying to help the club. like i said before theres no money in the league so its very hard for all these clubs. there plight isnt helped when football NSW take a large chunk of the rego fees (especially at youth level) and leave the clubs with even less. also football nsw puts certain expectations on clubs that makes it even harder, things like certain staduim sizes required and stuff like that. I think FNsw should help the club by not taking the money off it for a year or two to help get the club back on its feet or monitor the expenditure and cap them like the ffa tries. but i think in the end of the day no matter what there is just no money in the league. also regarding it to be a complete NSW league once again its difficult. the players need to give alot for little or no return in these leagues and alot are still students and stuff like that so travelling to bathurst to play and stuff like that is very difficult and costly for these guys,
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No12
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Minimalistix wrote:No12, if a team outside Sydney is good enough, they can be accepted. Get over it. Bathurst have been stuck in Division 2 for god knows how long. You know why? Cause they suck. I got nothing to get over, my point is that we have Sydney comp and call it NSW PL and our sport is not growing state wide. How many FC are financially stable in NSW? Football teams are successful because of the coaches and players that are playing for them and they need to get paid. More money better football (1+1=2 stuff). Why is our association FNSW draining teams/ players resources with astronomical fees compared to other sports and put very little back in to our sport? Good players are coming trough the youth ranks but than leave the sport at senior level. Rugby, AFL, Cricket put more money back in to their sports it is time we also do that.
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That has got to be one of the worst wiki pages ever
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SydneyCroatia wrote:[quote=sav]hmm
maybe football nsws administration to blame. they need to get strickter and control the clubs money and fees. theres always scum at club level ripping the clubs off grrr You sound like somebody who doesnt know what theyre talking about. South Coast have struggled financially for a number of years now. They went down the 'community club' path a couple of seasons ago and have basically begged the community for donations a couple of times now. Not saying there's anything wrong with that, but it usually leads to trouble sooner or alter If the community wasnt interested in supporting this club I dont see the benefit in establishing a new one for the sake of having Illawarra represented. What will change with the next club that is set up? [/quo And you may well be right SydCro. If that's the case, what i am hoping for is that the FFA are currently in discussions with potential investors - either in the Southern region via reviving the state league club, or with a view to establishing a HAL side there in a couple of seasons' time. Or indeed some kind of South Coast/Canberra amalgam, although I am not convinced these work.
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Kolner wrote:
im very interested to see what happens on the south coast though. if they cant be salvaged, do they rebadge again? will the new entity be allowed to take up the wolves position in the PL? if no, who gets the 12th spot?
We'll be back... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penrith_Nepean_United_Football_Club
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No12, if a team outside Sydney is good enough, they can be accepted. Get over it. Bathurst have been stuck in Division 2 for god knows how long. You know why? Cause they suck.
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SydneyCroatia wrote:sav wrote:SydneyCroatia wrote:Coverdale wrote:SydneyCroatia wrote:
You sound like somebody who doesnt know what theyre talking about.
South Coast have struggled financially for a number of years now. They went down the 'community club' path a couple of seasons ago and have basically begged the community for donations a couple of times now. Not saying there's anything wrong with that, but it usually leads to trouble sooner or alter
If the community wasnt interested in supporting this club I dont see the benefit in establishing a new one for the sake of having Illawarra represented. What will change with the next club that is set up?
fact of the matter is, unless they're competing in a national competition the general populace doesn't care enough. And look how much some of the A-League clubs are struggling. Bingo. so you would rather have no club then? these state league clubs are vital to the game I dont think I said that. I said that replacing South Coast (a club that does have a long history down there) with a new club seems a pointless exercise. If the club does fold I'd say that it would be pretty clear indication that the community down there isnt prepared and/or capable of supporting a State League club. Why force another one in just because some people feel that Illawarra should be represented? I'd prefer to see Canberra FC take their spot or keep Bankstown The competition is called NSW PL, you can not have Sydney comp and call it NSWPL. If you are interested in growing your sport than include Newcastle, Illawarra, regional NSW and so on, to do so we need investment and the FNSW registered players are paying fees so what is happening with this money? How much is it put back in to Football development? Just pray that no one gets hurt on the pitch because the insurance hardly covers the Hospital or any other recovery cost. Youth State Titles are best indicator of State Football talent up there, this kids state wide go somewhere and possibly play other sports if they do not have football competition at higher level to compete.
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sav wrote:SydneyCroatia wrote:Coverdale wrote:SydneyCroatia wrote:
You sound like somebody who doesnt know what theyre talking about.
South Coast have struggled financially for a number of years now. They went down the 'community club' path a couple of seasons ago and have basically begged the community for donations a couple of times now. Not saying there's anything wrong with that, but it usually leads to trouble sooner or alter
If the community wasnt interested in supporting this club I dont see the benefit in establishing a new one for the sake of having Illawarra represented. What will change with the next club that is set up?
fact of the matter is, unless they're competing in a national competition the general populace doesn't care enough. And look how much some of the A-League clubs are struggling. Bingo. so you would rather have no club then? these state league clubs are vital to the game I dont think I said that. I said that replacing South Coast (a club that does have a long history down there) with a new club seems a pointless exercise. If the club does fold I'd say that it would be pretty clear indication that the community down there isnt prepared and/or capable of supporting a State League club. Why force another one in just because some people feel that Illawarra should be represented? I'd prefer to see Canberra FC take their spot or keep Bankstown
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SydneyCroatia wrote:Coverdale wrote:SydneyCroatia wrote:
You sound like somebody who doesnt know what theyre talking about.
South Coast have struggled financially for a number of years now. They went down the 'community club' path a couple of seasons ago and have basically begged the community for donations a couple of times now. Not saying there's anything wrong with that, but it usually leads to trouble sooner or alter
If the community wasnt interested in supporting this club I dont see the benefit in establishing a new one for the sake of having Illawarra represented. What will change with the next club that is set up?
fact of the matter is, unless they're competing in a national competition the general populace doesn't care enough. And look how much some of the A-League clubs are struggling. Bingo. so you would rather have no club then? these state league clubs are vital to the game
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Coverdale wrote:SydneyCroatia wrote:
You sound like somebody who doesnt know what theyre talking about.
South Coast have struggled financially for a number of years now. They went down the 'community club' path a couple of seasons ago and have basically begged the community for donations a couple of times now. Not saying there's anything wrong with that, but it usually leads to trouble sooner or alter
If the community wasnt interested in supporting this club I dont see the benefit in establishing a new one for the sake of having Illawarra represented. What will change with the next club that is set up?
fact of the matter is, unless they're competing in a national competition the general populace doesn't care enough. And look how much some of the A-League clubs are struggling. Bingo.
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Coverdale
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SydneyCroatia wrote:
You sound like somebody who doesnt know what theyre talking about.
South Coast have struggled financially for a number of years now. They went down the 'community club' path a couple of seasons ago and have basically begged the community for donations a couple of times now. Not saying there's anything wrong with that, but it usually leads to trouble sooner or alter
If the community wasnt interested in supporting this club I dont see the benefit in establishing a new one for the sake of having Illawarra represented. What will change with the next club that is set up?
fact of the matter is, unless they're competing in a national competition the general populace doesn't care enough. And look how much some of the A-League clubs are struggling.
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wollongong will be there next seasion guarenteed
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cant be bothered replying...
Edited by sav: 18/10/2011 10:19:15 AM
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SydneyCroatia wrote:sav wrote:hmm
maybe football nsws administration to blame. they need to get strickter and control the clubs money and fees. theres always scum at club level ripping the clubs off grrr You sound like somebody who doesnt know what theyre talking about. South Coast have struggled financially for a number of years now. They went down the 'community club' path a couple of seasons ago and have basically begged the community for donations a couple of times now. Not saying there's anything wrong with that, but it usually leads to trouble sooner or alter If the community wasnt interested in supporting this club I dont see the benefit in establishing a new one for the sake of having Illawarra represented. What will change with the next club that is set up? good point. hopefully we can nab a few of their better players!
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sav wrote:hmm
maybe football nsws administration to blame. they need to get strickter and control the clubs money and fees. theres always scum at club level ripping the clubs off grrr You sound like somebody who doesnt know what theyre talking about. South Coast have struggled financially for a number of years now. They went down the 'community club' path a couple of seasons ago and have basically begged the community for donations a couple of times now. Not saying there's anything wrong with that, but it usually leads to trouble sooner or alter If the community wasnt interested in supporting this club I dont see the benefit in establishing a new one for the sake of having Illawarra represented. What will change with the next club that is set up?
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hmm
maybe football nsws administration to blame. they need to get strickter and control the clubs money and fees. theres always scum at club level ripping the clubs off grrr
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thupercoach wrote:Not a good thing at all - both the South Coast and Central Coast SL clubs gone.
Football needs a strong South Coast region I can't possibly see why the Coasts are gone. Unless Central Coast joins Northern NSW league... :s Illawarra premier league isn't strong enough by itself does it? Surely we need a South Coast team in the NSW league if not A-League?
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