Very true, he may be asking here because his manager has the same ability to convey instructions as a turnip though ;)

Football is like chess with live pieces
at least it is to me
Not everyone sees football as a complicated chess board with a million moves and that's ok
we can all enjoy it in our own way.
But the coach coaches his way and his style, if a player will not or can not play to that system then he should find one that he can.

No thats not how i see it, maybe for some. I see it as you do exactly what the manager tells you to do... why he is asking a public forum how he should be playing as a winger bemuses me. Ask your manager, they all expect different things.

In saying that, top managers give top players simple instructions and let their football intuition follow suit.

Actually we aren't looking at it from the players perspective. A player onyl has to understand how they need to play. A coach needs to understand how each player interacts within the team's structure. I take it you are of the opinion the coach should just give each player a position on the field and say: "Go for it lads! Play hard, play fair and play to win!" and then sit on the sidelines yelling out generic encouragement?

you all make football sound like a ridiculously hard game.

you're all over-analyzing it.

Yep this is the answer.

You should 'tuck in' and be in line with the back-post or there-abouts. I find that if you're in line then you're able to spread wide if need be, you're covering the centre of the pitch, a ball can't be played between you and the central defender and if the opposition switches play over your head, you simply move out to cover the attacker/opposition winger.

If the coach is asking you to literally cover the other side of the field they're nuts and shouldn't be coaching. It would compromise the entire structure of the team and you'd be knackered in the first 5mins.

I thought you were talking about the players on the same side of the pitch left or right.

That is, that the you as a hypothetical right winger have been asked to drop back over the half way line on the same right side to cover the left winger from the opposition team - not swap to the other side of the pitch.

That is an extraordinary request.

I think 4 across the back line waiting for a counter and flat back four are an outdated methodology and formation.
IMO

Edited by krones3: 20/3/2012 08:23:56 PM

Winner.

Standard role in a 352.

Glad there's some degree of genuine football nous to be occasionally found in this place.

Still, decentric's half press, full press, cold press delivers the lols.

Let me attempt to reword the OP.



I don't think he means the player on the opposite wing, he means the player on the opposition team.. I think a few people picked up on that but anyway, my two cents, if you are playing a straight 4-4-2 v 4-4-2, you'd think that your defender should be doing his job against the opposition wide midfielder, but if you are either up against teams with different formations, or you are playing a stopper/sweeper situation at the back (common in my amateur comp) where your defence is constantly sliding across the field, then you would probably have to drop back and help.

Normally if the winger & FB on the other flank move up the field you will see the other FB & the 2 CBs slide into a back 3, you and one of the CMs would then form a 2 person screen for the counter attack and to also present an option for a switch of play. Otherwise I have no idea what question you are asking? Why would your coach want you to swap flanks and overload that side whilst leaving a massive hole for a counter attack to occur down?



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Edited by General Ashnak: 20/3/2012 01:49:11 PM

The closest thing I can think of what they mean by covering the other side winger is,

When your opposite winger on your team goes for a run down the sideline I am guessing the supporting defender will track up behind the winger and overlap. This causes a hole in your defence which is covered by your defence line sliding across and you dropping back to the defensive line.

I wouldn't suspect you are being asked to cross sides to cover but rather drop to complete a sliding defence therefore maintaining 4 across the backline at all time in case of a counter attack.

How TF does that answer the blokes Q re him covering winger on the other side of the park? :lol:

Really if you're a good enough winger going forward you won't need to defend. Take Messrs Ronaldo and Messi for example.

I am a central midfielder but often find myself out wide as I am a versatile player compared to most in my team. I am not a great winger but what I always try to do, is right from the kick off, make my first run in behind their full back and even cheat a little in the first 5 mins so that you can pin him back.

You stll have defensive responsibilities, important ones at that. However, if you can get your opposite man on the back foot and remind him that he will always have someone to take care of in his defensive zone, you have won the mental battle inside the first ten minutes.

Obviously there is much more to it and at a far greater tactical level but from the mental side of the game, I find it really helps set a tone.

All depends on the system you play though. The wide players role could be argued for days.

Yeah, good luck on this one

In any one given year, my daughter was coached differently at Club level, Rep level and School girl level all whilst playing the same position as you mention (left wing)

This was at the time confusing for her but all you can do is adapt to the coach at the time. Failure to follow the coaches direction doesnt get you anywhere. Normally the coach of a higher team (rep) should have a better idea.

Saying that never seen any coach get a left winger to cover for a right winger!

It should depend on the tactics your coach is trying to use.

With a full press a team defends high into the opposition half. As Arthur says at his club, the wingers are expected to pressure the opponents in their defensive half. It is usually conducive to playing a 1-4-3-3.

If the coach deploys a half press, the team defends and concedes space so that they only apply pressure as soon as the opponent enters their defensive half. This means the wingers retreat more when defending. It is usually a more compact shape than the full press. That is unless a team pays a very high line in the full press, like Barcelona.

Does your coach use the different half or full pressing depending on stages of the game?

Some people say things they don't understand. Parents used to yell out to defenders in teams I coached many, many years ago, to push up to the half way line to effect the offside trap. They had no idea about whether the team was playing an offside trap. We weren't!!!

I know some coaches at a senior level who scream to their players,"Play it to feet". They don't really know what it means or what the alternatives are. It has never been explained in training.

Sometimes Mitch one has to be selective about information received.

Good luck!!

As Krones says there are a lot of variables. Wingers at our junior club are expected to stay wide at all times. They are expected to defend high which means close down the oppositions defence. They are not expected to cover back they are expected to stay high and wide.

Depends on age formation and style of play the coach wants.
Myself i played right wing in a 325 and was expected to cover a lot of ground i now play my kids (9 a side) in a 413 that is more of a 233 and expect my wingers to crudely attack and defend.
Crudely because i have not started teaching rotation. why? i did not want to confuse them when they learn the 11 a side formation of 433.

i just want some feed back from people about the roll of a winger Left or Right.

i have played there for about 3 years now and i keep getting different people telling me that i should be dropping right back to cover the winger on the other side???? shouldnt the defender on my side cover that winger when he drops down. so i am not covering the whole pitch.

Edited by mitcht83: 19/3/2012 01:07:59 AM