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Clive Palmer newspaper may be on the cards Date July 4, 2013 - 8:28PM Miner and wannabe prime minister Clive Palmer might now be preparing to take on media mogul Rupert Murdoch, owner of the newspaper he is suing. Mr Palmer has lodged a trade mark for The Australian Times. The application suggests the publication might include online and print versions, real estate advertising and even broadcasting services. Palmer has recently clashed with reporters from The Australian newspaper. Advertisement In June, he barred a reporter from national broadsheet from a Palmer United Party media event in Adelaide, describing the newspaper as "just a rag". Mr Palmer's lawyers recently launched Queensland Supreme Court defamation proceedings against the News Ltd newspaper and two of its journalists. The mining magnate wants to field candidates in every federal seat in the upcoming election and says he'd like to be prime minister. Australia's richest person Gina Rinehart in 2012 controversially bought a substantial share in Fairfax Media. Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/clive-palmer-newspaper-may-be-on-the-cards-20130704-2pevq.html#ixzz2Y4dlKD22
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Clive Palmer newspaper may be on the cards Date July 4, 2013 - 8:28PM Miner and wannabe prime minister Clive Palmer might now be preparing to take on media mogul Rupert Murdoch, owner of the newspaper he is suing. Mr Palmer has lodged a trade mark for The Australian Times. The application suggests the publication might include online and print versions, real estate advertising and even broadcasting services. Palmer has recently clashed with reporters from The Australian newspaper. Advertisement In June, he barred a reporter from national broadsheet from a Palmer United Party media event in Adelaide, describing the newspaper as "just a rag". Mr Palmer's lawyers recently launched Queensland Supreme Court defamation proceedings against the News Ltd newspaper and two of its journalists. The mining magnate wants to field candidates in every federal seat in the upcoming election and says he'd like to be prime minister. Australia's richest person Gina Rinehart in 2012 controversially bought a substantial share in Fairfax Media. Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/clive-palmer-newspaper-may-be-on-the-cards-20130704-2pevq.html#ixzz2Y4dlKD22
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Clive Palmer newspaper may be on the cards Date July 4, 2013 - 8:28PM Miner and wannabe prime minister Clive Palmer might now be preparing to take on media mogul Rupert Murdoch, owner of the newspaper he is suing. Mr Palmer has lodged a trade mark for The Australian Times. The application suggests the publication might include online and print versions, real estate advertising and even broadcasting services. Palmer has recently clashed with reporters from The Australian newspaper. Advertisement In June, he barred a reporter from national broadsheet from a Palmer United Party media event in Adelaide, describing the newspaper as "just a rag". Mr Palmer's lawyers recently launched Queensland Supreme Court defamation proceedings against the News Ltd newspaper and two of its journalists. The mining magnate wants to field candidates in every federal seat in the upcoming election and says he'd like to be prime minister. Australia's richest person Gina Rinehart in 2012 controversially bought a substantial share in Fairfax Media. Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/clive-palmer-newspaper-may-be-on-the-cards-20130704-2pevq.html#ixzz2Y4dlKD22
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StiflersMom wrote:afromanGT wrote:KenGooner_GCU wrote:playmaker11 wrote:I have this sick feeling we're going to turn into America soon and guys like this are going to get in. I don't think that's particularly likely with the Westminster system. It's plausible though. Especially when so many people are looking for an alternative to the assclowns we have at the moment. But the second palmer gets in power the minimum wage will be cut and taxes will be restructured to favour the rich. I would like to think the majority (and that includes the very stupid, fucked up twisted sick minded fools, not forgeting the ferals) of Australian voters would be smarter then elect this fool or any of his henchmen, In all seriousness, if this "political" party came to power I think I'd move to Fiji and open a dive shop. You got your football coaching badges in Italy, I see? [size=2]Yes, that joke is seven years late. Sue me.[/size]
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afromanGT wrote:KenGooner_GCU wrote:playmaker11 wrote:I have this sick feeling we're going to turn into America soon and guys like this are going to get in. I don't think that's particularly likely with the Westminster system. It's plausible though. Especially when so many people are looking for an alternative to the assclowns we have at the moment. But the second palmer gets in power the minimum wage will be cut and taxes will be restructured to favour the rich. I would like to think the majority (and that includes the very stupid, fucked up twisted sick minded fools, not forgeting the ferals) of Australian voters would be smarter then elect this fool or any of his henchmen, In all seriousness, if this "political" party came to power I think I'd move to Fiji and open a dive shop.
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KenGooner_GCU wrote:playmaker11 wrote:I have this sick feeling we're going to turn into America soon and guys like this are going to get in. I don't think that's particularly likely with the Westminster system. It's plausible though. Especially when so many people are looking for an alternative to the assclowns we have at the moment. But the second palmer gets in power the minimum wage will be cut and taxes will be restructured to favour the rich.
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playmaker11 wrote:I have this sick feeling we're going to turn into America soon and guys like this are going to get in. I don't think that's particularly likely with the Westminster system.
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playmaker11 wrote:I have this sick feeling we're going to turn into America soon and guys like this are going to get in. Or Russia, with Putin and his mates owning all the gas and oil. Fun fact: Putin's party is called United Russia Party. Edited by paladisious: 2/6/2013 05:32:38 AM
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Wow. This guy really is a certifiably insane self-centred asshole.
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Locked out of the house Clive built Date June 2, 2013 It was just a request for billionaire Clive Palmer to contact his critically ill half-brother George in hospital but the reply was startling in its tone. ''How many times did he [George] visit me as a boy or a teenager. How many letters or cards did he send me on birthdays, at Christmas, and how many times did he visit me when I was dying in hospital as a boy,'' snapped back the email to George's son, David. ''Not once a phone call, not one letter, not one card, so don't preach to me what you don't know. He knew where we lived. He was just too busy chasing women,'' said the email from a ''Terry Smith''. (A former managing director of one of Palmer's companies gave evidence in a 2011 NSW Supreme Court case that ''Terry Smith'' was an alias used by Palmer.) Now, prompted by their relative's growing public prominence, Palmer's half-brother George and his immediate family have revealed the bitter email exchange. They fear Palmer has split the family by bestowing wealth on one half and airbrushing out the others. Advertisement ''I used to be proud of Clive but he changed my own mind for me, accusing me of chasing women,'' says George. ''I think he's got too much power. He's too big in the mouth.'' On Saturday, Palmer denied sending the email. ''I don't know anything about the email. My name is not on it.'' But Palmer later said he couldn't rule out that someone from his organisation or family did send the email: ''I personally didn't do it. Whether someone else did on my staff, whether my mother did, who knows,'' he said. From his mansion in Queensland, a long way from his elderly half-brother's two-bedroom rental in Geelong, Palmer has been busy making his mining fortune, pushing his Titanic II plan, and amping up his political ambitions. As he has built his business empire, Palmer has kept some members of his family close, such as his half-sister Fay Brewster from his father's first marriage. He has appointed members of her family to key roles in his businesses and his political party. But George, also from Palmer's father's first marriage, appears to have been locked out of Clive's inner sanctum and even at times rejected. It's a situation that has baffled 85-year-old George and his two sons, David and Chris. George says his father was, as Palmer proudly maintains, an innovative and visionary businessman. But there the two sons' impressions of their father part ways. Palmer speaks of his father in only glowing terms, but George says his father was also a rogue and womaniser who seemed to have little time for his family. George was 14 when his parents broke up. George senior then married Nancy, Clive's mother. For many years George wondered what his father was up to but says he never tried to find out, believing his father did not want to see him. Then in the early 1990s, George says, without warning Palmer called saying he wanted to meet him and his family at the Hyatt Hotel in Melbourne for dinner. Just before they sat down at the table to eat, Clive dropped a bombshell, says George. ''You know your father had no money," he told George. George was stunned as he realised then that his father was dead. "It made me wonder if Clive was worried about us going after the will," he says. The next occasion George had contact with his half-brother was in the late 1990s when he needed a hip operation. George says he mentioned it to his father's elderly brother and Palmer paid for the operation. On another occasion Palmer visited George in hospital when he had open heart surgery. But apart from these few instances, George says his immediate family had almost no other contact. But in 2010, George went into hospital for surgery on vein blockage. He says he asked his son to contact Palmer and tell him he was in hospital. It was this that led to the email exchange.David said he sent a standard request to Palmer's official email and heard nothing. He then sent a more forceful message: "I realise that you are a very busy man looking after and controlling 'your' empire, however I do believe that your only brother should have some sort of meaning to you, but it appears that you have just followed my grandfather's ways, your father, by forgetting that he had another son, and that you have a brother?" It was this email that prompted the response from a "Terry Smith" on January 25, 2010, which the family believes came from Palmer. "Your email not accurate or fair, ask your father who paid for his hip replacement and who visited him in hospital, not you," said the email. "But you're right I'm overseas and too busy to see him and you know nothing of your grandfather. He was a person who had real content in his character, something you should aim for." Palmer said on Saturday that he had only met George "for four days for my whole life". "It's amazing that when you're a billionaire and standing for prime minister a lot of people come out of the cupboard," he said. Ads by Google Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/locked-out-of-the-house-clive-built-20130601-2niyi.html#ixzz2UyjD8SXt Edited by Joffa: 2/6/2013 01:26:07 AM
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Draupnir wrote:Don't worry guys, Higgins will help him out. Did anyone see the speech by Glen Lazarus on the news yesterday, Palmer was standing behind him mouthing the words as if he wrote the speech, then when questions were asked by the media Palmer told him not to speak..worrying Quote:Glenn Lazarus will vie for a seat in the Federal Senate after joining Clive Palmer's United Party United ... Scott Higgins, Clive Palmer and Glenn Lazarus. Source: Glenn Barnes / News Limited Former Test prop Glenn Lazarus will stand for the senate on Clive Palmer's Palmer United Party ticket. By getting to the end of his maiden press conference in Brisbane, Lazarus has already enjoyed a longer political career than his former State of Origin rival and ex-Canberra Raiders teammate Mal Meninga, whose political ambitions came to an abrupt end in a comical press conference in 2001. Lazarus has earmarked Palmer, the eccentric Queensland mining billionaire, as an outstanding choice to be Australia’s next Prime Minister. "I am standing to help deliver the vision of the Palmer United Party for all Australians,”’ said Lazarus, nicknamed the Brick with Eyes during his State of Origin days with NSW. "Right now the nation as a whole desperately needs an alternative to the tired and clueless government of Julia Gillard and the Tony Abbott-led Opposition, which has virtually the same policies as Labor. "We need someone with integrity and expertise that can lead us out of this economic crisis and create community wealth and jobs. It’s time for a change to Clive Palmer and the Palmer United Party.” Palmer announced the Queensland Senate team to stand for the party at the September 14 federal election Thursday. He said joining Lazarus will be veteran Brisbane barrister and former crown prosecutor Harry Fong and former A-League football goalkeeper Scott Higgins. Lazarus is 47 and won premierships with Canberra, Brisbane and Melbourne Storm, played 22 State of Origin matches for NSW and 21 Tests for Australia. He lives in Brisbane. Meninga announced he would be standing as an Independent for a seat in the ACT Legislative assembly in 2001 but soon after withdrew by saying: "And the thing about that is, I guess, I was a public figure and I was put on the podium where I was just a person out there ... I'm buggered, I'm sorry, I have to resign." http://www.foxsports.com.au/league/nrl-premiership/glenn-lazarus-will-vie-for-a-seat-in-the-federal-senate-after-joining-clive-palmers-united-party/story-fn2mcuj6-1226644551976#.UZVuGrU3Dzw
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Don't worry guys, Higgins will help him out.
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I have this sick feeling we're going to turn into America soon and guys like this are going to get in.
By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.
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Quote:Billionaire Clive Palmer confirms his wife is pregnant BIG PLANS: Clive and Anna Palmer with daughter Mary in front of a poster for his planned Titanic II cruise liner. IF you noticed a spring in Clive Palmer's step as he touts his Titanic-like tilt for Canberra, it's because the billionaire has a baby on board. The mischief-making mining magnate told news.com.au that his wife, Bulgarian-born Anna, is eight weeks pregnant. "I think, like most Australians who are having babies, I'm pretty happy about it," he said. "I found out a couple of weeks ago and it's a big celebration for me. I look forward to becoming prime minister and a new dad at the same time. "(Anna) is excited and happy. Our other children Michael, Emily and Mary are all excited about it." Mr Palmer married Anna, 20 years his junior, in 2007. Mary arrived a year later.  Clive and Anna Palmer at a Titanic event in August 2012. Image: Bernice Wood. His eldest two children are from his marriage to his first wife Susan, who he lost to cancer. The 59-year-old said that while his three kids "seemed pretty happy" with him as a dad, he could probably do better. "I'm sure I'm not doing enough, I'm sure I can be doing more," he said. "No parent is ever doing enough.  "You've got to remember when they give a baby to you at the hospital it's only got the husband and wife to look after it in the world and it's a sacred trust you've got to take very seriously." Queensland's richest man - who is busily juggling his business empire, Titanic II project and politics - said they were yet to consider baby names. But he wouldn't rule out Rose or Jack, the names of characters from the film Titanic. "Rose would be good. We'll see how it goes," he said.  Clive Palmer with his wife Anna, daughters Emily and Mary, and son Michael in 2009. Image: News Queensland. "We'll make sure we have a name that makes sure everyone realises that he's an individual or she's an individual. That's what important with a name." Right now the billionaire, who is launching a fledgling political party, has bigger issues at hand. Last night he hit another hurdle in trying to register his Palmer United Party (PUP) before the federal election. He said the Australian Electoral Commission had rejected the PUP because it had too many members.  PARTY TIME: Clive Palmer announces his candidate for the Sunshine Coast seat of Fisher, Palmer resort manager Bill Schoch. Picture: Megan Slade But if his bold bid for the lodge succeeds, Mr Palmer said running the country will come first. "Being prime minister is more important (than kids) because you've got a stake in the country and their future and you know what other people having kids are going through," he said. "But nothing can take the place of time and love. You've got to make sure you read stories to your kids every night before they go to bed so they realise they're important. "I'm a person who's got a lot of good support staff and resources. I've got my own plane, cars and staff so having that support really helps you a lot (to juggle everything)." Read more: http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/billionaire-clive-palmers-wife-is-pregnant/story-fnet08xa-1226641873794#ixzz2TEVmYvPq The thought of Money must make her cum cause I can't image the sight of him naked would.
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Well after watching that, Palmer seems like a dangerous mix of superficial and swing with the breeze populist. He'll most likely get tripped up stating two completely opposing policy positions and not even noticing. Give him a little bit more of an audience beyond his employees and yikes...danger danger... :shock:
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Quote:Clive Palmer won't make preference deals Billionaire Clive Palmer's United Australia Party will not do preference deals with other parties in the federal election. Picture: Brett Costello CLIVE Palmer's political party will not make any preference deals ahead of the federal election. The Queensland mining magnate intends to field candidates in all lower house and Senate races in the federal election under the Palmer United Party name, provided it is registered. But he says he won't do preference deals with other parties. "We won't be doing any deals with anyone," he told ABC's Q&A program on Monday. "I'll be hoping we get a lot of preferences from (Opposition Leader) Tony Abbott, we'll accept his preferences gratefully. "I don't think our preferences will be distributed." Parties often do deals relating to Senate ballots, where they can decide how preferences will be distributed if electors vote above the line. For House of Representative races, preference deals relate to how to vote cards. Bob Katter says his Katter's Australian Party will work out preferences on a seat-by-seat and state-by-state basis. "But if anyone thinks that we're there to jump when the Liberal Party cracks the whip, you're making one hell of a big mistake," he told Q&A. He likened the two-party system to the Coles and Woolworths supermarket duopoly. "I can't see any difference in their policies," he said. Mr Palmer said Prime Minister Julia Gillard and Mr Abbott were both "pretty boring". "If you're happy with everything that's being done and that's enough for you and your family...you should vote again for Tony Gillard (Gillard) and Julia Abbott (Abbott)," he said. Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national-news/palmer-wont-make-preference-deals/story-fncynjr2-1226641596919#ixzz2TD82YQxI
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On Q&A now - making Katter look sane
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Eastern Glory wrote:Gaz wants in. :lol:
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Gaz wants in.
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Apart from himself and his immediate family will this guy even register a single vote?
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UAP renamed as Palmer United Party Date May 12, 2013 - 10:30AM Clive Palmer has changed the name of his political party less than three weeks after it was formed. The billionaire businessman announced on Sunday his United Australia Party will now be known as the Palmer United Party, to avoid a legal battle with the Australian Electoral Commission. A group of Brisbanites has already applied to register the Uniting Australia Party, and AEC rules say a new party can be knocked back if it can be mistaken for a ‘‘recognised political party’’. Mr Palmer has until Monday to register his Palmer United Party with the AEC in time for the September 14 federal election. He has already trademarked the UAP name but now insists his party’s platform is more important than its name. And he now has some sympathy for federal MP Bob Katter, who faced similar hurdles when registering the name of Katter’s Australian Party. ‘‘What we stand for is far more important than our name,’’ Mr Palmer said in a statement. ‘‘So many groups are trying to stop and undermine the party efforts to provide good government. ‘‘I now understand the practical hurdles that Bob Katter and his party faced. ‘‘People should not be destroyed because they are offering to serve the country.’’ He pledged to reform the AEC if he’s elected prime minister to allow for parties and candidates ‘‘to be encouraged to stand at election rather than to be discouraged by the act to participate in our democracy’’. The Palmer United Party will announce its Queensland Senate team later this week and aims to stand candidates in all seats in the coming federal election. Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/uap-renamed-as-palmer-united-party-20130512-2jfml.html#ixzz2T2CDxKh4
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Joffa wrote:Mr Palmer said the Party wanted to create more jobs and build a stronger economy.
“Taxes need to be reduced to stimulate growth in the economy and restore consumer and business confidence.
The rot has to be stopped.” Greed, greed, greed. We have it pretty fuckin good in this country. Edited by ozboy: 12/5/2013 06:45:43 AM
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Clive Palmer's United Australia Party rejects Peter Slipper's membership Brittany Vonow From: The Sunday Mail (Qld) May 11, 2013 9:59PM Increase Text Size Decrease Text Size Print Email Share SLIPPER THE FIRST FEDERAL MP TO JOIN UAPClive Palmer's United Australia Party now counts former parliamentary speaker Peter Slipper as a member.(0:39 / 694.9KB) PETER Slipper's membership with Clive Palmer's United Australia Party has "ceased" only hours after it was announced he had joined The party posted an announcement on its website tonight saying founding members had made the decision, barely five hours after announcing Slipper had been accepted. "Under clause D26 of the constitution of the party, a majority of foundation members have decided that the membership for Peter Slipper has ceased forthwith," the statement said. UAP member Alex Douglas, who officially joined the billionaire's party barely two weeks ago, tweeted the news tonight. "Peter Slipper has had his membership rejected by a majority of the founding members through the constitution of the UAP," he said. Fellow UAP MP Carl Judge also shared the news. "UAP Executive have promptly disallowed/rejected membership of Peter Slipper. Federal Leader Clive Palmer will be making more announcements." Earlier today The Courier-Mail reported that Mr Palmer confirmed Mr Slipper had applied to become a member of the Party - and his application had been accepted. A United Australia Party statement said Bill Schoch - Mr Palmer's Coolum Resort manager - remained the Party’s endorsed candidate for Fisher in the next Federal election. The statement said: "United Australia Party Secretary and endorsed candidate for the seat of Dickson Clive Mensink said the United Australia Party was an open and inclusive party that welcomed members from all political, social and economic backgrounds." “The United Australia Party is about delivering common sense policies to the nation,” the statement said. Mr Palmer said the Party wanted to create more jobs and build a stronger economy. “Taxes need to be reduced to stimulate growth in the economy and restore consumer and business confidence. The rot has to be stopped.” United Australia Party intends to field candidates in all seats at the September 14 election. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/peter-slipper-joins-clive-palmers-united-australia-party/story-e6frf7jo-1226639861716
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RedKat wrote:Mirrors the 'signings' Palmer made for his Football Australia; discarged idiots that nobody likes in an attempt to gain 'authenticity' This party wont exist by the elections, much like Football Australia didnt exist at crunch time. But: http://unitedaustralia.org/join-uap/ Damn you, I looked at his policies, clearly they are written to benefit him and his interests. Quote:Palmer United Party stands for and is committed in its efforts and vision to carry out the following functions: Party Officials should not be Lobbyists, thereby taking a strong position on Paid Political Lobbyists saving tax payers dollars and introducing Fair Policies Abolish Carbon Tax Revising the current Australian Governments Refugee Policy to ensure Australia is protected and refugees are given opportunities for a better future and lifestyle Creating Mineral Wealth to continuously contribute to the welfare of the Australian community. This will be achieved by utilising mineral resources from Queensland and Western Australia, and incentives from the Commonwealth of Australia to establish downstream processing in the States of Victoria, New South Wales and South Australia ; and exporting products at a higher dollar value, thereby creating more revenue , jobs, tax and more facilities. Establishing a System where people create wealth in various parts of the country and for that wealth should flow back to the Community. For example, if the region creates wealth it should go back to the community. This way we develop the whole country and not just Sydney and Melbourne, but we develop right across Australia where the wealth is. http://unitedaustralia.org/policies/ Edited by StiflersMom: 11/5/2013 07:09:43 PM
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Quote:Peter Slipper joins Clive Palmer's United Australia Party
 New recruit: Former Speaker Peter Slipper is joining Clive Palmer's party. Picture: Gary Ramage FORMER Parliamentary Speaker and ex-Liberal MP-turned independent Peter Slipper has joined billionaire Clive Palmer's United Australia Party. Mr Palmer today confirmed Mr Slipper had applied to become a member of the Party - and his application had been accepted. But Mr Slipper won't be standing for the seat of Fisher. A United Australia Party statement said Bill Schoch - Mr Palmer's Coolum Resort manager - remained the Party’s endorsed candidate for Fisher in the next Federal election.  Peter Slipper has joined Clive Palmer's United Australia Party. Picture: Mark Calleja The statement said: "United Australia Party Secretary and endorsed candidate for the seat of Dickson Clive Mensink said the United Australia Party was an open and inclusive party that welcomed members from all political, social and economic backgrounds." “The United Australia Party is about delivering common sense policies to the nation,” the statement said. Mr Palmer said the Party wanted to create more jobs and build a stronger economy. “Taxes need to be reduced to stimulate growth in the economy and restore consumer and business confidence. The rot has to be stopped.” United Australia Party intends to field candidates in all seats at the September 14 election. Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/peter-slipper-joins-clive-palmers-united-australia-party/story-e6frfkp9-1226639861716#ixzz2SyAdzYgY
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macktheknife wrote:RedKat wrote:Palmer, Gillard, Milne, Abbott.
I dont know which is the smallest evil.
*prays for sexy party candidate in electorate.* Well, Gillard really. Greens are nutjobs. No way you'd elect them. Abbott, psycho, vacuous half-wit with no policies beyond three word slogans, with an indication his policies will result in little more than trying to create a dystopian corporatocracy for the benefit of News Limited and the mining companies. Palmer, lol. I'd rather not take the risk of a GCU job on the entire nation. Gillard... at least they've got policies. Gillard has two types of policies: 1/ Broken ones & 2/ More taxes How about this education policy: Take 2.6 billion out of Universities and give it to primary and secondary public schools. To all die hart Labor Uni-student supporters, you are all pretty quiet about this one.
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Wow i am finally finding some common ground with u Hoff...dont mind Clive on some issues...if he were a real libertarian in the Ron Paul mould i'd be right in there! Could be a work in progress that guy, has potential...
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Clive Palmer is the hero qld deserves. What a fucking patriot. WA gets gina cunthart and we get Clive suck it sandgropers
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Current sitting federal MPs ? I assumed he had just picked up some qld state mps or somethin...
Maybe Craig Thomson is running for them in Dobell!
They should consider trimming down the idea for running in every lower house seat. I know he has the cash to cover it but they will end up with some dregs, liability candidates ...unless they parachute in a bunch of pre-screened people.
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