Im not a fan either, its turning senior soccer leagues into junior leagues all that will be heard at these games is crickets as no one will be going. Sad but this is the end of soccer in our country because fairies are running it.

Fair points - all of which simply demonstrates another example of the system not being fully thought through.

I'm in favour of changes to the competition, anything which sees fewer teams condensing the talent pool is good, however - forcing the competition state wide, especially in younger age groups, is crazy.

Only one club so far has put their hand up to be part of it and thats South Melbourne.

More commonly known as the VCL, originally called Summer League.

http://www.sportingpulse.com/assoc_page.cgi?c=1-8679-0-0-0&sID=226854




The VCL was developed in 2008, by the FFV to be played in Summer and become the State's First Tier competition. There was a Senior mens and womens component that failed to materialise and the FFV gave up any pretence of trying to make it work.

It eventually became a junior competition used to select State teams. The FFV presented the Summer League proposal to the FFA as a model to be used nationally in 2010 (approx.). It motivated Buckley to review all State competitions hence the NCR.

http://www.awfa.asn.au/site/images/stories/pdfs/080523%20-%20summer%20league%20-%20explanatory%20memo%20-%20final.pdf

Back ground to what the proposal was all about. By reading it much of the NCR and the FFV's implementation of it has been regurgitated.



The Ages of the teams are different but concept the same.



Reflecting the FFA's criteria for Elite Licenced Clubs.



The Player Point Sysytem developed by the FFV and adopted and refined by the FFA.

Thats how the FFV have regurgitated the failed Summer League proposal and have now influenced the FFA to bring forward the same nationally.

The Summer League concept was developed by a consultancy called "Sports Business Partners" http://www.sportbusiness.com.au/our-clients/sport-federations-and-clubs they list the FFA and FFV as clients.

What this proposal is all about is rationalisation of football at a second tier level touching on elite junior development.

If they (FFV & FFA) get it wrong we will pay for it for along time as my source claimed that Boultbee (FFA High Performance Manager) has set a target of developing players to consistently have Australia in the second round of the World Cup and this is how we in Australia will do it.


The word is in Victoria there are clubs preparing to legally challenge the implementation of the NCR and I think the problem lies directly with the FFV in the manner and adadptions of the NCR that they are implementing it.

Only one club so far has put their hand up to be part of it and thats South Melbourne.

What is the Victorian champions league?

Each Zone will have:
(a) an elite men’s team (with a strong focus on under 25 development);
(b) an elite women’s team; and
(c) at least 3 junior boys (Under 13s, Under 14s and Under 15s) and 3 junior
girls (Under 13s, Under 15s and Under 17s) teams which will be
representative of talented players from within that Zone in accordance with
the eligibility requirements set by FFV. FFV reserves its right to increase
or decrease the required number of junior boys and girls teams that
represent the Zone.

The FFV Summer League will:
(a) provide a stepping stone in the career path of elite players, coaches and
officials;
(b) showcase the number of young, quality footballers across Victoria;
(c) enhance professionalism at club level;
(d) improve facilities for football and relevant stakeholders;
(e) improve links between clubs and local communities;
(f) strengthen the brand and image of football in Victoria; and
(g) address many of the talented player development gaps identified by the
FFA in the National Football Development Plan.

Salary cap and Points system

34. In order to ensure competitive balance and a level playing field, Zone Teams in the
elite men’s competition will be subject to a strict salary cap and a player points
system.

35. The salary cap will restrict the total amount that can be paid to a team’s contracted
players to $185,000 per Team per annum (subject to review by FFV). The salary
cap rules shall be provided by FFV in due course, however they shall include all
payments made to players including (but not limited to) car allowances,
entertainment expenditure and superannuation. Players may earn additional
money from sources outside the Team (for example, through external sponsorship).

36. Players’ salaries will be the same as those set out in the National Youth League
Regulations for payments made to 21 and under age brackets. These payments
are:
(a) $5,000 for players 21 and under; and
(b) $2,500 for players 18 and under.

37. Each team in the elite men’s competition will also be subject to a player points cap
that restricts the total number of points that can be accrued by a team in relation to
its contracted players. Details of the player points rating system will be provided to
interested parties in due course.

However, the general structure shall be as follows:
(a) Prior to the commencement of the season, FFV will allocate each player a
points rating based on factors such as talent, experience and club of origin.
The points rating of each contracted player will be allocated to that team.
(b) Each squad shall only be entitled to a certain number of player rating
points determined by FFV in its sole discretion.
(c) Discounts will be given to players playing in their ‘local’ zone (being the
zone of the Club for which they play in the winter competition).

Isnt that kind of like saying Sydney should have 8 A-league teams because a place like central coast can have one?

Fair points - all of which simply demonstrates another example of the system not being fully thought through.

I'm in favour of changes to the competition, anything which sees fewer teams condensing the talent pool is good, however - forcing the competition state wide, especially in younger age groups, is crazy.

There is probably another plus for you. Out of the 100 best central players how many will actually want to try out for the travelling teams to play the average player in country vic.

I believe the best should be allowed to rise to the top - and I don't believe that the system benefits from weaker sides being guaranteed survival whilst potentially superior players/sides opportunities are barred.

Thats what my club is banking on being in the community competitions.

The other way of looking at it is that the 85 players not selected in central melbourne are in fact the lucky ones as they get to play each other rather than travel for hours to play average players in Morwell.
Who will end up the better player?

The 'forced' entry of regional teams reduces opportunities for those from highly populated areas.

100 decent players in central Melbourne would be competing for the same number of places as 20 average players in Morwell. Because players will most likely have to be selected from the club's area - the 85 unlucky lads in central will end up forced to playing 3rd or 4th tier football rather than replacing the lesser players in Morwell.

One year on, those who missed last time will have a higher points value associated with them so clubs will be less likely to give them a chance (ie/ you keep the average 'known quantity' player rather than letting him go and replacing him with outside talent).

Long story short - working on 15 man squads, you're better off being the 15th best player in Morwell (pop 13,000) than the 16th best in City of Melbourne (pop 99,000).

He'd be worth a whopping +40 points.

10 points as a standard player.
+12 points for being 37 (1 point for each year he is over 25).
+10 points for being a visa player.
+8 points for being a new signing.




Edited by Benjamin: 7/9/2012 05:08:20 PM

Can any one tell me under the new Player Point System with the NCR how many points would Del Piero be worth to a new Elite Club?

so you are against eeo and affirmative action ?

The 'forced' entry of regional teams reduces opportunities for those from highly populated areas.

100 decent players in central Melbourne would be competing for the same number of places as 20 average players in Morwell. Because players will most likely have to be selected from the club's area - the 85 unlucky lads in central will end up forced to playing 3rd or 4th tier football rather than replacing the lesser players in Morwell.

One year on, those who missed last time will have a higher points value associated with them so clubs will be less likely to give them a chance (ie/ you keep the average 'known quantity' player rather than letting him go and replacing him with outside talent).

Long story short - working on 15 man squads, you're better off being the 15th best player in Morwell (pop 13,000) than the 16th best in City of Melbourne (pop 99,000).

Victorian Premier League clubs fear for future under radical new Football Federation Victoria plan
The oft-rocky relationship between the state's governing body and the VPL clubs is set to again be tested by the former's new strategic plan
07/08/2012 10:40:00 AM
By Ante Jukic
Victorian Premier League clubs are fearing for their futures past season 2013, after Football Federation Victoria put forward its strategic plan in response to the National Competition Review on Monday.

At a meeting closed to all except representatives from VPL and Victorian Women's Premier League clubs, FFV plans were unveiled for a 20-plus-team competition, without promotion and relegation and including six teams from Victoria's regional areas.

Goal.com understands clubs from Geelong, Ballarat, Bendigo, Shepparton, Albury/Wodonga and Gippsland will compete, with a maximum of two teams from each of the FFV's eight metropolitan zones.

Each club will be required to field sides in men's, women's and junior competitions.

While it means the much-maligned Victorian Champions League will meet its demise, clubs hoping for an NCR-accredited licence to participate in the new competition would need to implement a substantial overhaul to even be considered.

Club costs are predicted to spiral up to $500,000, while a player point system will also be introduced.

The changes are a result of the findings of Football Federation Australia's NCR, released in May. Other state federations around the country are in the process of implementing their own strategic plans.

Possibly in fear of reprimand from the FFV, who they predominantly believe are forcing clubs to spend beyond their means to be eligible for what is believed a three- to five-year licence, team officials refused to go on the record after the meeting.

One of the few to do so, Dandenong Thunder president Merson Azizi was non-committal on what the strategic plan means long-term for the current VPL leaders.

But he feared the changes could lead to a logistical headache that could compromise the quality of football.

"I think it's too early to say anything at this stage. I think it could work, but it's too early to tell. We need to sit down and discuss everything at the club," he told Goal.com.

"I think we'll be struggling to get quality women's teams across all ages, and that the quality of football will definitely go down. Because when you have a mix of good local and overseas players, teams can be stronger, instead of with a bunch of boys."

The clubs, however, are believed to be concerned about a lack of two-way dialogue, and view the FFV as dismissive of their identities and future development.

It is understood VPL club officials and fans have long feared for their team's future demise at the hands of the state's governing body, with the revelations from Monday's meeting doing little to allay their concerns.

On top of a yearly licence fee of $50,000, a potential sticking point for VPL and WPL clubs is the estimated yearly running cost of up to $500,000, with a fee per junior player tipped to run between $700 and $1000.

Along with these potential difficulties for VPL clubs is the framework of a player points system, where clubs will need to sit under a 200-point limit.

Players accumulate points over the age of 25 and with playing experience at higher levels.

It is understood that none of the VPL clubs currently meet this criteria, with an estimated average of 290 points.

The Melbourne Knights are believed to be the VPL club closest to adhering to the cap at the 205-215 point mark, while Dandenong Thunder and South Melbourne reportedly sit closer to 350.

Goal.com understands that, in response, one VPL club has contacted players union Professional Footballers Australia over a potential restriction of trade.

It is expected that a joint meeting of VPL clubs will take place within the week, with more reaction to the FFV's strategic plan expected in the coming days.

FFV plan to restructure top-level soccer
Ante Jukic | August 8th, 2012

Pictures: Soccer, August 4, 2012
A NEW Geelong team could be formed to join a revamped elite Victorian soccer competition by 2014.

Football Federation of Victoria unveiled plans this week that would completely restructure soccer in the state at the top level.


Geelong's only State League 1 club, North Geelong, will be informed of the plans on Monday, while there will be a Geelong-specific forum for clubs including Geelong SC, Geelong Rangers, Corio, Surf Coast and Bell Park in a fortnight.


It is believed the FFV disclosed plans at a private meeting with Victorian Premier League and Women's Premier League clubs on Monday night to form a 20-plus team competition, without promotion and relegation.

The competition would include six teams from regional areas.


The Geelong Advertiser believes regional teams from Geelong, Ballarat, Bendigo, Shepparton, Albury-Wodonga and Gippsland will compete, with a maximum of two teams from each of the FFV's eight metropolitan zones.


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Successful consortiums will be required to have a men's and women's team, with a minimum of five teams for various age groups for each gender.


They will need to apply for licences to enter the competition. It is believed the yearly licence fee will be $50,000, with an estimated yearly running cost of up to $500,000.


The fee per junior player is tipped to run between $700 and $1000.


Geelong's current soccer clubs remain unsure what the future holds for them, particularly without a promotion and relegation system in place.


North Geelong is on the verge of gaining promotion into the VPL, which could be scrapped under the new plans by the end of next year.


"We're sort of thinking, is there any point in getting promoted?" North Geelong president Daniel Desa said last night.


"We'd still like to get promoted for our fans and, given our history, it would be good to play in the Victorian Premier League again because of who we are."


The FFV's move came in response to Football Federation Australia's national competition review.


Other state federations around the country are also in the process of implementing their own strategic plans.


Other VPL clubs have quietly voiced concerns over logistics, and a potential skyrocket in cost.


http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2012/08/08/343015_local_sports.html

As for the top 24 teams in the existing league system, there's already North Geelong Warriors in State League Div 1, and then there's Ballarat Red Devils and Morwell Pegasus from Gippsland jut in the next level below in State 2, so it's not as if they're far off just by merit alone.

Not sure about regional teams being enforced. Maybe get one quality team from geelong, ballarat and bendigo possibly gippsland. But its even been a while since Geelong had a team in the VPL.