We actually already have a stickies thread discussing this, no need for another

Moved to State League forum where it belongs.

cant wait till this is up and running. and hope the promo/relegation hurries, 10 more yrs!

There is a difference between ethnic clubs and mono ethnic clubs. The latter proven to be quite insular and uncaring for most things other than there own.

Certainly they can be invited into the APL to make the process complete, however any further steps will need to be evaluated carefully with the main emphasis on how they can contribute to the growth of football and appeal to the broader community.

I think you will find some will fail miserably despite the expected lip services they will provide.

Inddeed and spot on.

What I say or do doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things but what some of these mono ethnic clubs say and do is vital to the reputation and growth of football.

Unfortunately we saw what they can do merely a few weeks back with Sydney Croatia's unruly behaviour and giving the one up with their banner (refer photo) to the A-League and everything else that doesn't represent their own community.

Always thought the Victorian clubs were somewhat backwards. No surprise but it will change.

Just like their reluctanceto jointhe NSL originally where it took a broad thinking club like Mooroolbark to initiate the first steps.

Oh yes there wil be protection. I can't see the FFA ditching the safeguards they have in place.

Moving on means progressing but learning from past mistakes and avoiding them.

Sick of seeing paulc's xenophobic tripe on these forums tbh

A lot of fans on the Gold Coast hate...So whats new?

More likely not wanting to bother dealing with the FFA to get the NQF intellectual property.

http://www.brisbanecityfc.com.au/

Lookin' good.

-PB

:-k :lol:

I think it would be a mistake to scrub the ethnic community-based clubs from this tier of the game. If a 2nd-tier 'APL' existed and the likes of Marconi, South Melbourne, Melbourne Knights, Adelaide City etc were not able to be involved, the whole thing would sink very quickly IMO. The cities' 'broad-based' support is all spoken for with A-League clubs, the 'APL' should consist of broad-based entities focused mostly on regional areas (in Qld the likes of Northern Fury and Sunshine Coast Fire are perfect examples) and existing city clubs with existing supporter bases - most of the best examples of these having roots in Italian, Greek, Croatian etc communities.

Ofc, but saying that a club can't be accepted because of their history and how they run themselves isn't acceptable either.

If they tick the boxes and get approved; they're in.

-PB

At the same time though, certain clubs also need to get with the time.

Dug this out.

This came via our kids club/local assoc & was forwarded to families of /pastprospective junior APL players from the CQ zones tech director. It clarifies the junior APL club demands quite well...

WORTH THE TIME TO READ IF URE GEN INTERESTED HOW APL CLUBS WILL BE STRUCTURED etc

typical Victorians causing problems.

Junior Compartment:

Ok, firstly we come under the Central QLD FC umbrella / Qld APL

The way it has been explained to us (family’s) of kids notified of APL junior trials is that the kids will train & play as ever for local clubs in local leagues along with training & playing separately for the APL club against other APL CLUBS within the QLD divisions.

How the logistics will work out is still debatable but the Zone/aka APL bid winner in our area )CQFC which is our FQLD zones body anyway) has stated via the zones (CQ) tech director that every avenue will be chased as in subsidising the kids APL participation as much as poss.

As a parent in this instance the CQ area it is similar to when kids got picked for rep & then zone teams etc with an emphasis of making the zonal rep side more of a club feel which can only benefit kids over getting together once, twice a year, training for a month & heading off to state championships seriously underdone.

The more regular/ higher level training & playing can only improve these young players.
How it all comes out of the wash will be interesting with likely plenty of bumps to start…But they gotta start somewhere, sometime eh.

Hope that makes some sense.

Yeah I know Ben. Just couldn't help myself ;)

I just realised that QAS has been included. What is its role in the APL? Is it to give a development pathway for the regions that aren't represented by the clubs chosen?

Edited by gyfox: 3/10/2012 04:51:34 PM

Long term that's certainly what I'd like to see. The 2nd tier national competition is essential for the development of the game here. The talent pool needs to be narrowed below the A-League because having the best players spread over 12 teams in NSW, 12 teams in VIC, then to a lesser extent 12 teams in each other state, slows the development of non-A-League talent.

Probably felt the Queensland bit was superfluous in a Queensland comp.



If you haven't noticed, everyone else just ignores him when he heads off on one of his rants. People only engage him now when he discusses Roar or the actual geographical issues.



Several of those clubs were already travelling all around the state to play games.

Sunshine Coast Fire, for example, already travel to Bundaberg, Rockhampton, Mackay, Cairns, etc.

Yeah, now it's being run by the FFA

What is their objection?


Edited by RJL25: 3/10/2012 04:37:41 PM

:d :d :d :d :d :d :d :d :d :d

It's a LOT different to the QSL. The QSL was fucked

In Victoria only South melbourne is supporting the APL. About 90 clubs are talking court action. Go figure.

There is no protection. An olive branch has been extended, clubs have applied, clubs have been approved, its hardly divide and conquer.

I'm sorry paulc but you're going to have to accept and learn to live with some of these teams when they get accepted into the APL.

Maybe its time you moved on and got with the times (like everyone else).

-PB

Hence why I said there would have to be a "national division" to fall in to, because dropping right back to a state league would be too much

And by the way, why don't you just post as Gaz? We all know its you...

Edited by RJL25: 3/10/2012 04:33:32 PM

It will be interesting, there are pro's and con's as with everything.

One of the most important aspects is how the juniors are to be setup and coaching qualifications required for junior age groups.

what has been pointed out to me that is diconcerting to many people involved in Victorian Clubs is the lack of any information regarding marketing and promotion of the the APL locally and Nationally.

While the FFV's slant on the NCR with regards to proposals limiting the movement of juniors to and between APL Clubs is causing concern. Dave's 442 Blog brought out a point that is having ramifications here in regards to the jerrymandering of the selection of APL Clubs. For example the limit of two clubs per zone means that in our western zone, that could possibly have as a minimum six clubs capable of filling an APL place could affect elite player development due to restricted places. As compared to the Eastern Zone that may have one club capable if we are lucky and is considered the weakest zone (Elite Talent wise) because the clubs are mostly particapatory.

And with the PPS system the concern is the standard will get worse before it gets better, so will any body a) turn up to watch and b) will business still be prepared to put money in the new comp?

Good luck to Queensland, but it looks like it is not much different than what went before with the QSL.
While NSW should be announcing their comp in a couple of weeks Victoria is looking at starting in 2014.

Edited by Arthur: 3/10/2012 04:33:14 PM

Like to read the fine print on what safe guards are in place to ensure we don't get a replicated NSL culture with damaging self interested mono ethnic clubs that have been itching to do it all over again.

I'm sure there will be protection clauses. It's divide and conquer by the FFA so far. A well executed strategy that has given football hope of prosperity. Just the same I'd like to see the details.