Joffa
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Quote:January: hot or not? January 31, 2013 - 4:49PM Stephen Cauchi It's been a very dry January, but despite all the talk about a "dome of heat", it wasn't actually that warm. Melbourne has so far recorded just 8 millimetres of rain this month, 40 millimetres below the January average. That ranks this month among the driest 10 per cent of Januarys on record. In 2009, by contrast, a mere 0.4 millimetres fell. The driest January in Melbourne on record occurred in 1932, when 0.3 millimetres fell. But rain tonight could moisten that result a little. According to weather forecasters Weatherzone, a passing cold front could dump 5 to 10 millimetres across the city tonight. Scattered and light showers will continue across the weekend. Looking ahead, rainfall is expected to be more or less average for the rest of summer and into early autumn. According to the Bureau of Meteorology, Victoria has a 50 per cent chance of exceeding average rainfall for February to April. In terms of temperature, Melbourne was warmer than average, but not dramatically hot. The average maximum temperature was 27.4, marginally hotter than the long-term January average of 25.9. Minimum temperatures were about 1.5 degrees warmer than average. "January 2012 was actually warmer, both days and nights," said Weatherzone senior meteorologist Brett Dutschke. "This year wasn't a real standout regarding temperatures." The long-term forecast for February to April is for cooler temperatures for Victoria. There is only a 35 to 40 per cent chance temperatures will exceed the long-term average, according to Weatherzone. Despite the dry month, there's still plenty of water left. Melbourne's water storages are currently at 78.1 per cent full, the highest since the mid-1990s. Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/january-hot-or-not-20130131-2dmy7.html#ixzz2JXXdYOLz
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Give us your water kents.
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afromanGT
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I still think we need some kind of comparative data from the Industrial revolution.
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I think fact, hard to ignore the mountain of evidence, but whether it's anthropogenic or otherwise is a different (probably irrelevant) matter
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ozboy
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afromanGT wrote:I still think we need some kind of comparative data from the Industrial revolution. Why?
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afromanGT
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ozboy wrote:afromanGT wrote:I still think we need some kind of comparative data from the Industrial revolution. Why? The level of pollution and climate change from the Industrial Revolution would have been significant. If we had pollution and climate change statistics from that time period we'd be able to see how much of this is anthropogenic and how much of it the planet will naturally recover from.
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petszk
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jparraga wrote:I think fact, hard to ignore the mountain of evidence, but whether it's anthropogenic or otherwise is a different (probably irrelevant) matter It seems these days that any time the weather is hotter than average, that's due to global warming. Any time the weather is colder than average, that's due to global warming... erm... umm... let's call it climate change instead. Any time it rains more than average, that's due to climate change. Any time it rains less than average, that's due to climate change. I long for the good old days, when there was never, ever, any variance from the average temperature and rainfall figures. Don't take this to mean I disagree with the statement that people pumping less sh*t into the atmosphere would be a good thing.
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afromanGT
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On the words of Wil Anderson; "Global warming: Grrrr. Climate Change: aahhhhh."
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It's completely fiction, also God exists and my vote counts Edited by marconi101: 31/1/2013 10:05:02 PM
He was a man of specific quirks. He believed that all meals should be earned through physical effort. He also contended, zealously like a drunk with a political point, that the third dimension would not be possible if it werent for the existence of water.
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paladisious
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petszk wrote:jparraga wrote:I think fact, hard to ignore the mountain of evidence, but whether it's anthropogenic or otherwise is a different (probably irrelevant) matter It seems these days that any time the weather is hotter than average, that's due to global warming. Any time the weather is colder than average, that's due to global warming... erm... umm... let's call it climate change instead. Any time it rains more than average, that's due to climate change. Any time it rains less than average, that's due to climate change. I long for the good old days, when there was never, ever, any variance from the average temperature and rainfall figures. Don't take this to mean I disagree with the statement that people pumping less sh*t into the atmosphere would be a good thing. I liken the argument people use to say global warming doesn't exist because it rained that day to someone on the bow of the Titanic refusing to accept that they're sinking because they've been raised one hundred meters in the air.
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Global warming is a myth. You know how i know? It is cold.....where I live......today.
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ozboy
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marconi101 wrote:It's completely fiction, also God exists and my vote counts Ding, ding, ding....we have a winner :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Fact. The Earth warms and cools periodically due to landmass positioning, orbit, life induced atmosphere changes, non-life induced atmosphere changes, etc.
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ozboy
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chillbilly wrote:Fact. The Earth warms and cools periodically due to landmass positioning, orbit, life induced atmosphere changes, non-life induced atmosphere changes, etc. You forgot to add 'And I Vote' :lol: :lol: :lol:
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chillbilly wrote:Fact. The Earth warms and cools periodically due to landmass positioning, orbit, life induced atmosphere changes, non-life induced atmosphere changes, etc. Fact. There have been a record number of droughts and record number of floods in recent years. Fact. Bushfire's have become more frequent in recent years Fact. Arctic ice hit record low Fact. If you were born after 1980, you have never experienced a below average month in temperature on a global scale. Fact. July 2012 was the hottest month ever recorded on a global scale. Fact. 99.83% of Scientist agree climate change is real
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petszk
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tbitm wrote:chillbilly wrote:Fact. The Earth warms and cools periodically due to landmass positioning, orbit, life induced atmosphere changes, non-life induced atmosphere changes, etc. Fact. There have been a record number of droughts and record number of floods in recent years. Fact. Bushfire's have become more frequent in recent years Fact. Arctic ice hit record low Fact. If you were born after 1980, you have never experienced a below average month in temperature on a global scale. Fact. July 2012 was the hottest month ever recorded on a global scale. Fact. 99.83% of Scientist agree climate change is real With regard to sea levels; Fact. There are three main islands off the coast of WA near Perth: Rottnest, Carnac & Garden Islands. Fact. They were connected to the mainland until sea levels rose about 7,000 years ago. Fact. Since this occurred 7,000 years ago, it definitely wasn't due to any human influence. Fact. This sea level rise was obviously of several meters. Conclusion. Panicking about a ~20cm rise in the last ~130 years seems pointless when there have been more dramatic changes in the past that obviously weren't caused by humans. Repeat previous statement: That's not to say that I think reducing pollution would be a bad thing.
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Global warming is a scam.
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tbitm wrote:chillbilly wrote:Fact. The Earth warms and cools periodically due to landmass positioning, orbit, life induced atmosphere changes, non-life induced atmosphere changes, etc. Fact. There have been a record number of droughts and record number of floods in recent years. Fact. Bushfire's have become more frequent in recent years Fact. Arctic ice hit record low Fact. If you were born after 1980, you have never experienced a below average month in temperature on a global scale. Fact. July 2012 was the hottest month ever recorded on a global scale. Fact. 99.83% of Scientist agree climate change is real I wasn't disputing that the earth was getting hotter just the reasons for it. No-one can argue that climate change isn't real. The climate is in a constant state of change. Land is eroded, Mountains are formed, plants/animals die from disease, fire, heat, cold and overpopulation. Are you saying there is more fires world wide or just in Australia? In Australia we mismanage the bush. The aboriginals shaped the land with fire. For it to be healthy we should be burning around 10% of it each year.
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Furthermore, what's the point in western society panicking about global warming and reducing pollution when anything we do is offset by China's frankly disgusting output.
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notorganic
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afromanGT wrote:Furthermore, what's the point in western society panicking about global warming and reducing pollution when anything we do is offset by China's frankly disgusting output. China are currently trialling a carbon pricing structured nearly identical to Australias in a few provinces.
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notorganic wrote:afromanGT wrote:Furthermore, what's the point in western society panicking about global warming and reducing pollution when anything we do is offset by China's frankly disgusting output. China are currently trialling a carbon pricing structured nearly identical to Australias in a few provinces. I don't think that will achieve anything except to drive up the cost of living in China and create an even more aristocratic society. Much of eastern china's economy is built off their massive coal consumption. Consider that eastern china uses 50% of the world's coal consumption.
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Also, if you look at total greenhouse emissions Per Capita - Australia beats out everyone except for 3 tiny Arab petrostates and the eternal outlier Luxembourg.
By comparison, USA is 11th in the world, China is 72nd, India is 111th
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afromanGT wrote:I don't think that will achieve anything except to drive up the cost of living in China and create an even more aristocratic society. I don't think anyone in China cares what you think will happen. They have some pretty qualified people on it.
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notorganic wrote:afromanGT wrote:I don't think that will achieve anything except to drive up the cost of living in China and create an even more aristocratic society. I don't think anyone in China cares what you think will happen. They have some pretty qualified people on it. I have no doubt that they have similar disregard for your opinion. However this is a forum, the core concept of which is for people to express their opinions on whatever the topic at hand is. Which is exactly what I did. And if you've got a problem with that then the 'logout' button is on the top right hand corner of your page. Have a nice day.
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afromanGT wrote:notorganic wrote:afromanGT wrote:I don't think that will achieve anything except to drive up the cost of living in China and create an even more aristocratic society. I don't think anyone in China cares what you think will happen. They have some pretty qualified people on it. I have no doubt that they have similar disregard for your opinion. However this is a forum, the core concept of which is for people to express their opinions on whatever the topic at hand is. Which is exactly what I did. And if you've got a problem with that then the 'logout' button is on the top right hand corner of your page. Have a nice day. It's my opinion that your opinion on the matter has been demonstrated to be factually invalid. Deal with it.
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afromanGT
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notorganic wrote:afromanGT wrote:notorganic wrote:afromanGT wrote:I don't think that will achieve anything except to drive up the cost of living in China and create an even more aristocratic society. I don't think anyone in China cares what you think will happen. They have some pretty qualified people on it. I have no doubt that they have similar disregard for your opinion. However this is a forum, the core concept of which is for people to express their opinions on whatever the topic at hand is. Which is exactly what I did. And if you've got a problem with that then the 'logout' button is on the top right hand corner of your page. Have a nice day. It's my opinion that your opinion on the matter has been demonstrated to be factually invalid. Deal with it. The only fact I presented on the matter was that China consumes 50% of the world's coal. This fact is not invalid. And your attempt to deride my opinion has subsequently failed.
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afromanGT wrote:Furthermore, what's the point in western society panicking about global warming and reducing pollution when anything we do is offset by China's frankly disgusting output. You do realise, you're accepting anthropogenic global warming by that statement
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