I don't really like this zonal system.

If all essential criteria teams all come from the Melbourne CBD so be it.

Don't force things that don't need to be forced.

Same goes under Western Australia's system as well.

With South Australia there are two tiers now with 30 teams and only 1 team is a regional team.

Sad state of affairs and I hope a successful outcome is acheived because I am enjoying the progress of the NPL in my homestate.

You are one pathetic individual.

Most parties agree on something and have united, which has been pretty much impossible in the past. But that's still not good enough for you.

Fuck me dead :lol:

I focus on South Melbourne because they are in 'another league' in the Victorian context. They are also my club. They are also leading the political campaign against the NPL-V proposition from the governing body. They are also in the box seat for A-league participation in the future. And to again answer your question - I don't confuse politics with righteousness. You assume that because individual clubs are today aligning themselves strategically with one another (and the status quo) that this somehow represents the final and absolute truth on the matter. I am not so naive. It is not as simple as we have 50 clubs so you have to accept we are correct. That is absurd and the FFA/FFV didn’t blink for a reason.

This giving every child a 'participation award' type mentality just breeds mediocrity. If regional or any other lowly club is fair dinkum and wants to earn respect, street cred etc then they must work their way to the top and not be handed a spot for free. It's what happens all over the world, no exceptions. This sense of entitlement approach is promoted by those that are simply lazy and use the bullshit line "but...but it's the good of the game" to push their agenda. Unfortunately that is not how the real world operates, you gotta work hard to achieve anything in life.
Toughen up you self entitled, lazy bitches and EARN your spot.

Once again, why focus on South Melbourne rather than the other 50 clubs who have signed up in this process? As influential as we'd like to think our club is, I don't think anyone believes that we are strong enough to convince 50 other clubs to sign up against the FFV unless there is an extremely strong reason to do so. Namely, that all 50 believe they would be out of business within 3 years of getting into the NPL.

It is not a "passage to the top" - but a "passage to the future". This is what you and others need to get your heads around. The game is changing and this country's footballing community has decided that it should and that it will. Regional teams are working hard to participate in a way that builds football for their communities and ultimately - they have agreed to do so within a framework that does this in the interests of the entire game. Fair play to them I say.

The cries of "No South no APL" have only recently subsided as the awful reality of A-League success dawned upon them. I pray South don’t make the same mistake twice. I want South in the NPL (and the A-League one day), but more importantly, I want them bringing their considerable energy and intellectual power to the national football development and competition pyramid in the interests of the entire game. Fingers crossed.

There is a lot to consider as a Director, and this applies to Incorporated Associations, there are 761 ways to go to jail.

A start would be to enter the NPLV with a budget showing a loss, that is trading while technically insolvent which would require the Directors to guarantee the losses to avoid the courts.

Some of the clubs intending to enter will have mum and dad directors.

Like I said Good Luck.

Edited by Arthur: 7/8/2013 08:20:01 PM

if there is that many clubs opposed to what the FFV is trying to implement, something must be wrong.

No offence Southfan but if Ballarat want to apply I say good luck to them.

They haven't set the peramitters, that is the FFV.

Ballarat can take the oppurtunity offered them off the pitch just as they would on the pitch if the refs blows for a penalty.

The FFV's plan may not necessarily deliver the quality of football desired though it will probably set the game back here for the short to medium term for several reasons. I hope Clubs don't get burnt along the way.

Interesting that Ballarat Red Devils initially came out with a statement stating they would not be part of the NPL the a change of President and their position changed.

Its a bold move on their part being on the bottom of State 2 NW doesn't bode well for 2014 in on field performance and if you're getting thumped every week then every thing else gets affected, attendance, canteen, sponsorship, fundraisers.

And I really understand why they are doing it, its a free ride to the top.

Good luck to them and I hope they are still there in 2015 and 2016.

Eminem.

nobody is going to say openly that their own mother was a whore

Because in the other states they have placed fewer restrictions on teams - allowing for greater income.

Also, in other states whilst there was a degree of bunfighting, the state federations actually negotiated and agreed compromises with clubs - the FFV is steadfastly refusing to do so here in Victoria.

If the FFV changed their model to match NSW, all of the rebel clubs would fall back into line. It's that simple. Which leaves us with the question, as asked before, if it's so easy to fix it, why would the FFV allow it to remain broken?

It's quite simple really. The 'rebel' clubs have clearly indicated that if the FFV had implemented the NPL model used in other states then they would have been happy to go along with it. Instead the FFV is basing its model on its failed and shit summer zonal league concept. Clubs with an identity, football infrastructure, assets, good deals with councils etc are expected to basically hand it all over to the FFV under the licensing agreement. The financial risks are all on the clubs. And ill informed people on here are questioning why it's so damn hard to get this up and running. Of course complete nobodies like Ballarat are keen on this, they have fuck all fans and fuck all to lose and a place in the top tier handed to them on a platter. Playing in the top tier in any code should be EARNT on the field, otherwise what's the point of competitive sport. It's how its done all over the old except of course in Victoria where the morons at the FFV think otherwise.

I've got no problem with the addition of regional sides - a Victorian league, rather than a Melbourne league, WOULD be more appropriate.

However, I think it's a farce that under the FFV's plans (allegedly) the league would consist of 6 metro and 6 regional - because like it or not, the regional sides wouldn't be able to compete with the metro teams at any level (if they could, they would be in the VPL by right). This would stunt the development of players unable to make the higher quality metro squads, whilst giving extra opportunities to inferior players elsewhere in the state.

In a perfect world, I'd LOVE to see the NPL under the same guidelines as in NSW, with two divisions, allowing the best clubs to find their way to the top, and the lesser sides to operate within the same system but at an appropriate level. A couple of weeks ago the FFV had over 40 applicants to the NPL and could have run the league this way - only requiring a couple of minor tweaks to their model in order to have their cake and eat it... Now, they don't have enough sides for a single division.

... And that's the real issue. A couple of small changes to the FFV model and they could have the league tomorrow. It's important to note that those changes would have zero negative affect on regional bids (but quite a bit of positive). So why do the FFV insist on standing by their model - specifically the bits of their model that differ from the NSW model? No one is answering this one - even those who support the FFV have failed to come up with any logical reason why the FFV would act this way.

I'd love to hear theories from those who support the FFV - but the silence is deafening.

I just wonder why it's so damn hard to get this up and running when the rest of the country has had an easy transition from most reports.

Frustrating really for the game in this state. Are there too many financial constraints for the game in this state that changes the model? It just doesn't add up.

Yes I realise what he means. The NPL is not the VPL by another name, structural change is taking place for the betterment of Football, not necessarily for the betterment of any one club.

State football elite basically means the current vpl clubs who have earnt the right to participate in the states highest division, under normal circumstances 2 teams would be demoted and 2 would come up to the elite competition....Ballarat are so far off the mark its laughable that they could leapfrog dozens of clubs..some even regional.

"States Football Elite" I'll have a glass of what your having, thanks.

I wish you all the best in your irrelevance, long may it continue.

Stand by my statement.

No one presumes they have the right to rule. Football grandeur is earned and maintained on the pitch.

With that perspective in mind, the Red Devils stand for undeniable mediocrity and now want to rise to play with the state's football elite via a disengaged process that only sell outs would participate in.

Sell outs exist in all forms of life and society and the mediocre Red Devils who face the prospect of relegation to state 3 have taken the sell out path.

Quite simple.

Sell outs? By submitting a tender as per the guidelines, unfortunately many off us do not presume we have a right to rule and are therefore happy to participate in a fair and legal process.


"I hope you crash and burn in financial mediocrity you sell outs" nice turn of phrase, it says much more about you than it does about Ballarat's NPL bid.

So in effect you're greedy and want to shortcut your way to top level state football and see the NPLV model presented by the FFV which based on the severe disengagement with the football community, has seen a focus on "consortiums" as opposed to predominantly using established clubs and their infrastructure, as a means to get there.

I hope you crash and burn in financial mediocrity you sell outs and never ever get to play the South Melbourne you dream of playing as quoted in the article below:

http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/1485728/soccer-ballarat-red-devils-seek-licence-for-national-premier-leagues/



Edited by southfan: 6/8/2013 08:53:40 PM

Edited by southfan: 6/8/2013 08:54:33 PM

We also has a team close to the top of state league 5, what's your point? It's a franchise model. While the Red Devils will be spearheading the bid as it has the facilities the bid itself has the support of the B&DSA which represents the Wimmera, Daylesford Spa Country, Ballarat and Maryborough Goldfields, the Central Highlands and the South West Coast. From Horsham to Ballarat. From Maryborough to Warnambool. The basis of the bid it to represent a region where the sport is well established and still has great potential to grow. Basically the bid is similar to the Melbourne Victory in the A-League which initially represented Victoria not one previous club.

You already have a team sitting down near the bottom in state league 2, why should they get an easy passage to the top?

Well I'm from Ballarat and as such would like to see top flight state football in regional Victoria. We Ballarat City Council need a justification for pouring millions of dollars into the new state of the art Ballarat Regional Soccer Facility. The current bid Ballarat bid is very keen to get involved in the new NPLV so I'm in favour of the FFV. In this franchise model it would be nice to see football outside of Melbourne.

I honestly don't see how anyone can read the plans for the NPL-V, compare them to the plans for the NPL-NSW, read the clubs list of concerns, and then see any reason to support the FFV's stance.

If the 'rebel' clubs were standing up to the FFA's competition review, or if the NPL-V was set up the same as the NPL-NSW and the clubs were complaining THEN I could understand people backing the FFV, but there is simply no logical reason to believe that the FFV are right when confronted by...

FOR:
- FFV
- Max. 8 clubs who are still in the application process (only one of which has any record at the highest level in the state - and they are currently sitting dead last in the league).

AGAINST:
- 47 clubs who have either previous expressed support for the NPL, or have the facilities and means to operate within a correctly established NPL structure
- Several local councils
- The Parks & Leisure Dept (who control the vast majority of playing fields)


Edited by Benjamin: 6/8/2013 05:31:54 PM

Don't see a huge groundswell of support voting for either side

#-o

So why are you posting in here?

-PB

Ask anyone involved at any club out in the 'burbs' about the FFV and I can guarantee that 99.99% of them will have nothing positive to say about them. They are incompetent fools of the highest order. Recently one of the FFV commissioners or whatever these clowns call themselves stated that he would like to see clubs have under 18's, 20's, 22's, 24's, 26's etc etc sides. That's the type of morons and mentality clubs have to put up with. So those ignorant and biased types that have absolutely no idea about the goings on in the local scene and just spew out the usual ethnic crap, just fuck off. If the vast majority of clubs are against the FFV's flawed and unworkable NPL model then they have every right to protect themselves.