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afromanGT wrote:batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote:Ok, so here's something that doesn't need statistics:
EVERY member of society should have equal, open opportunity to receive adequate education and if your answer to that is "well if you don't like it then go private" then that means that our government has failed us. ummmmm EVERY member od society in australia does have an opportunity to attend school Yes, but the PISA report clearly demonstrates that the adequacy and standard of education in this country has fallen significantly. Just because everyone has the opportunity to attend doesn't mean that it's adequate. agreed....but it is adequate for a vast % of our population which is good....yes it should and can be better and a lot of that is the curriculum and teacher training.....
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They go hand in hand really. It's like "hey, I got a free meal!" and it's an apple core in a balled up tissue. It's shit, but it's free, right?
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afromanGT wrote:433 wrote:Stop changing the subject Afro - we were discussing the moral right of every student to free and equal education, not how that education stood up internationally. I'm sorry, I must have been confused by the SUBJECT of the thread being "PISA report finds Australian teenagers education worse than 10 years ago". It was obvious that the thread got derailed.
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433 wrote:Stop changing the subject Afro - we were discussing the moral right of every student to free and equal education, not how that education stood up internationally. I'm sorry, I must have been confused by the SUBJECT of the thread being "PISA report finds Australian teenagers education worse than 10 years ago".
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Stop changing the subject Afro - we were discussing the moral right of every student to free and equal education, not how that education stood up internationally.
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batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote:Ok, so here's something that doesn't need statistics:
EVERY member of society should have equal, open opportunity to receive adequate education and if your answer to that is "well if you don't like it then go private" then that means that our government has failed us. ummmmm EVERY member od society in australia does have an opportunity to attend school Yes, but the PISA report clearly demonstrates that the adequacy and standard of education in this country has fallen significantly. Just because everyone has the opportunity to attend doesn't mean that it's adequate.
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afromanGT wrote:Ok, so here's something that doesn't need statistics:
EVERY member of society should have equal, open opportunity to receive adequate education and if your answer to that is "well if you don't like it then go private" then that means that our government has failed us. ummmmm EVERY member od society in australia does have an opportunity to attend school
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afromanGT wrote:batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote:Just because you've been afforded to maybe 5% of the country doesn't mean that everyone is, batfink. And because your elitist political and social ethos behaves like everyone does doesn't make you a genius, it makes you a fool. Quote:maybe more families should put their child endowment aside or stop smoking, or stop drinking, or don't get tattoo's or nike air shoes or everlast trackies..... You're operating around the assumption that people who can't afford to send their child to private school smoke and drink and are covered in tattoos and wear glorified pyjamas. Or it could be (get this) that they're FUCKING POOR and subsequently receive an inferior education (as demonstrated by imonfourfourtwo). typical rebuttal from AFRO, resorting to personal abuse AGAIN.....:-" :-" :-" :-" There's nothing personal there, it makes observations about your contentions. Quote:well my daughters private school fee's are $5000 a year.....all you have to do is cancel your foxtel and hey presto And those who don't have foxtel, don't drink, don't smoke and don't indulge in any of your other aforementioned "lower class luxuries" and still can't afford private education, they should just fall by the wayside, right? nope....they get free education at a public school and it's not that bad really is it......you appear to be a reasonably intelligent person....you are public school educated aren't you??? so it's not like they are going to be left out completely.....i think there are some very very high ranking student from the public system......
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Parents need to send their children to school with a desire to learn. If they have this desire they will learn anywhere. If students have no desire to learn then it is very hard for a teacher.
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433 wrote:afromanGT wrote:433 wrote:afromanGT wrote:Ok, so here's something that doesn't need statistics:
EVERY member of society should have equal, open opportunity to receive adequate education and if your answer to that is "well if you don't like it then go private" then that means that our government has failed us. EVERY member of society HAS an equal, open opportunity to receive adequate education. EVERY student in Australia is entitled to a public school education. If you don't like this, then you SHOULD have the opportunity to go private if you value your child's education more than others. If the quality of education and test scores are on the decline over the last decade then clearly it ISN'T adequate. I'm not talking about comparative education with other countries. I'm comparing the types of schooling options in Australia against each other. So in say, Somalia where all education options are frankly shit, they're doing A-OK according to you because they're comparative with each other?
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afromanGT wrote:433 wrote:afromanGT wrote:Ok, so here's something that doesn't need statistics:
EVERY member of society should have equal, open opportunity to receive adequate education and if your answer to that is "well if you don't like it then go private" then that means that our government has failed us. EVERY member of society HAS an equal, open opportunity to receive adequate education. EVERY student in Australia is entitled to a public school education. If you don't like this, then you SHOULD have the opportunity to go private if you value your child's education more than others. If the quality of education and test scores are on the decline over the last decade then clearly it ISN'T adequate. I'm not talking about comparative education with other countries. I'm comparing the types of schooling options in Australia against each other.
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433 wrote:afromanGT wrote:Ok, so here's something that doesn't need statistics:
EVERY member of society should have equal, open opportunity to receive adequate education and if your answer to that is "well if you don't like it then go private" then that means that our government has failed us. EVERY member of society HAS an equal, open opportunity to receive adequate education. EVERY student in Australia is entitled to a public school education. If you don't like this, then you SHOULD have the opportunity to go private if you value your child's education more than others. If the quality of education and test scores are on the decline over the last decade then clearly it ISN'T adequate.
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Instagram use and tuning bitchezz are the new Australian pastimes for young adults
He was a man of specific quirks. He believed that all meals should be earned through physical effort. He also contended, zealously like a drunk with a political point, that the third dimension would not be possible if it werent for the existence of water.
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Agree . I can't stand some parents who send their kids to private schools and expect the teachers to do everything . Hell some parents do that in state schools .
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Anyway, I have found that a parents interest in a students education is more valuable than a private school education.
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There is no such thing as a private school in oz . Aps stands for Australian public schools . The public people are hating on are state schools . I know plenty of people who went to so called private schools who end up working on factories . They hated the system of the schools because they get spoon fed everything
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afromanGT wrote:Ok, so here's something that doesn't need statistics:
EVERY member of society should have equal, open opportunity to receive adequate education and if your answer to that is "well if you don't like it then go private" then that means that our government has failed us. EVERY member of society HAS an equal, open opportunity to receive adequate education. EVERY student in Australia is entitled to a public school education. If you don't like this, then you SHOULD have the opportunity to go private if you value your child's education more than others.
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Ok, so here's something that doesn't need statistics:
EVERY member of society should have equal, open opportunity to receive adequate education and if your answer to that is "well if you don't like it then go private" then that means that our government has failed us.
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afromanGT wrote:433 wrote:afromanGT wrote:Just because you've been afforded to maybe 5% of the country doesn't mean that everyone is, batfink. And because your elitist political and social ethos behaves like everyone does doesn't make you a genius, it makes you a fool. Approximately 35% of students attended non-government schools in 2013. http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/mediareleasesbyCatalogue/130E6818E4A6AE51CA2576EA0011F88C?OpenDocument And what percentage of those were full fee paying? What percentage of those had siblings who did likewise? Annual statistics aren't particularly relevant when we're talking about being privately educated for a prolonged period. Parents paying $20k/year for 6 years of high school (before having to buy things like books, laptops, uniforms, etc) for multiple children, it's prohibitively expensive. Statistics are only valid when they support my argument. :roll:
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433 wrote:afromanGT wrote:Just because you've been afforded to maybe 5% of the country doesn't mean that everyone is, batfink. And because your elitist political and social ethos behaves like everyone does doesn't make you a genius, it makes you a fool. Approximately 35% of students attended non-government schools in 2013. http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/mediareleasesbyCatalogue/130E6818E4A6AE51CA2576EA0011F88C?OpenDocument And what percentage of those were full fee paying? What percentage of those had siblings who did likewise? Annual statistics aren't particularly relevant when we're talking about being privately educated for a prolonged period. Parents paying $20k/year for 6 years of high school (before having to buy things like books, laptops, uniforms, etc) for multiple children, it's prohibitively expensive.
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afromanGT wrote:Just because you've been afforded to maybe 5% of the country doesn't mean that everyone is, batfink. And because your elitist political and social ethos behaves like everyone does doesn't make you a genius, it makes you a fool. Approximately 35% of students attended non-government schools in 2013. http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/mediareleasesbyCatalogue/130E6818E4A6AE51CA2576EA0011F88C?OpenDocument
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:Our country is fucked, get over it. Am emigrating. Oh look another edgy teen ragging Australia because it is cool to do so. Name a few countries that are better to live in.
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batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote:Just because you've been afforded to maybe 5% of the country doesn't mean that everyone is, batfink. And because your elitist political and social ethos behaves like everyone does doesn't make you a genius, it makes you a fool. Quote:maybe more families should put their child endowment aside or stop smoking, or stop drinking, or don't get tattoo's or nike air shoes or everlast trackies..... You're operating around the assumption that people who can't afford to send their child to private school smoke and drink and are covered in tattoos and wear glorified pyjamas. Or it could be (get this) that they're FUCKING POOR and subsequently receive an inferior education (as demonstrated by imonfourfourtwo). typical rebuttal from AFRO, resorting to personal abuse AGAIN.....:-" :-" :-" :-" There's nothing personal there, it makes observations about your contentions. Quote:well my daughters private school fee's are $5000 a year.....all you have to do is cancel your foxtel and hey presto And those who don't have foxtel, don't drink, don't smoke and don't indulge in any of your other aforementioned "lower class luxuries" and still can't afford private education, they should just fall by the wayside, right?
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afromanGT wrote:Just because you've been afforded to maybe 5% of the country doesn't mean that everyone is, batfink. And because your elitist political and social ethos behaves like everyone does doesn't make you a genius, it makes you a fool. Quote:maybe more families should put their child endowment aside or stop smoking, or stop drinking, or don't get tattoo's or nike air shoes or everlast trackies..... You're operating around the assumption that people who can't afford to send their child to private school smoke and drink and are covered in tattoos and wear glorified pyjamas. Or it could be (get this) that they're FUCKING POOR and subsequently receive an inferior education (as demonstrated by imonfourfourtwo). typical rebuttal from AFRO, resorting to personal abuse AGAIN.....:-" :-" :-" :-"
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afromanGT wrote:Just because you've been afforded to maybe 5% of the country doesn't mean that everyone is, batfink. And because your elitist political and social ethos behaves like everyone does doesn't make you a genius, it makes you a fool. Quote:maybe more families should put their child endowment aside or stop smoking, or stop drinking, or don't get tattoo's or nike air shoes or everlast trackies..... You're operating around the assumption that people who can't afford to send their child to private school smoke and drink and are covered in tattoos and wear glorified pyjamas. Or it could be (get this) that they're FUCKING POOR and subsequently receive an inferior education (as demonstrated by imonfourfourtwo). you are making out that 95% of the population of Australia is poor..... now who is making things up???????
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afromanGT wrote:Just because you've been afforded to maybe 5% of the country doesn't mean that everyone is, batfink. And because your elitist political and social ethos behaves like everyone does doesn't make you a genius, it makes you a fool. Quote:maybe more families should put their child endowment aside or stop smoking, or stop drinking, or don't get tattoo's or nike air shoes or everlast trackies..... You're operating around the assumption that people who can't afford to send their child to private school smoke and drink and are covered in tattoos and wear glorified pyjamas. Or it could be (get this) that they're FUCKING POOR and subsequently receive an inferior education (as demonstrated by imonfourfourtwo). lol....you are so full of hatred......poor soul well my daughters private school fee's are $5000 a year.....all you have to do is cancel your foxtel and hey presto
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Just because you've been afforded to maybe 5% of the country doesn't mean that everyone is, batfink. And because your elitist political and social ethos behaves like everyone does doesn't make you a genius, it makes you a fool. Quote:maybe more families should put their child endowment aside or stop smoking, or stop drinking, or don't get tattoo's or nike air shoes or everlast trackies..... You're operating around the assumption that people who can't afford to send their child to private school smoke and drink and are covered in tattoos and wear glorified pyjamas. Or it could be (get this) that they're FUCKING POOR and subsequently receive an inferior education (as demonstrated by imonfourfourtwo).
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afromanGT wrote:433 wrote:afromanGT wrote:batfink wrote:zimbos_05 wrote:afromanGT wrote:I think it speaks volumes about the intelligence of the country as a whole that we needed a report to tell us this. Haha. Was just going to say, you didn't need a report to tell you this. I could have told you from first hand experience. that's why is sent all my 4 children to private school........i pay and expect results.... And what do you say to those who can't afford to do such things? Should they not be afforded the same opportunities? Or are you too busy building your society of Epsilons? 1) They are afforded the exact same opportunities, anyone can be sent to a private school. 2) There are a number of schools in Melbourne who provide an extremely high quality education without costing much. (Eg. Melbourne High, Macrobertsons). It's not an opportunity if you can't afford to go there. most private schools have a number of scholarships for socioeconomic disadvantaged families.... my mates two daughters go to St Paul's and he and his wife earn average wages, they manage some people make excuses, some get on with it and make it work..... like some people these days say we can't afford another child....fuck i laugh when i hear that.....
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notatroll wrote:batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote:batfink wrote:zimbos_05 wrote:afromanGT wrote:I think it speaks volumes about the intelligence of the country as a whole that we needed a report to tell us this. Haha. Was just going to say, you didn't need a report to tell you this. I could have told you from first hand experience. that's why is sent all my 4 children to private school........i pay and expect results.... And what do you say to those who can't afford to do such things? Should they not be afforded the same opportunities? Or are you too busy building your society of Epsilons? well to be honest i have struggled to afford it myself, but my good wife started a education fund for our children the day we decided to get married and we put a bit away each week into the ASG scholarship fund, so we started before they were born and we sent them to state schools until the end of primary school so they were able to be kids and not be pressured by the enormous amount of homework private schools dish out, so they only went private for years 9,10,11 & 12. that gave us like 6 years to get ahead and i worked ridiculous amount of time, overtime and did private jobs for many years, to give my children a better education that what i was afforded.......(wait for the abuse)..... and unlike others i haven't blamed anyone or looked for handouts and favors, we did it through pure hard work making sacrifices and doing with out..... What school out of curiousity? I went to a private school in Sydney's West and it was not worth the money my parents forked out for it. I attended a public school for a term in my education career and was taught far far more, much better value and I learnt life lessons. It's not all, but I'm just curious which of the multitude of educational sects you chose. Edited by notatroll: 5/12/2013 03:26:31 PM the expensive one was St Paul's Grammar in cranebrook
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afromanGT wrote:433 wrote:afromanGT wrote:batfink wrote:zimbos_05 wrote:afromanGT wrote:I think it speaks volumes about the intelligence of the country as a whole that we needed a report to tell us this. Haha. Was just going to say, you didn't need a report to tell you this. I could have told you from first hand experience. that's why is sent all my 4 children to private school........i pay and expect results.... And what do you say to those who can't afford to do such things? Should they not be afforded the same opportunities? Or are you too busy building your society of Epsilons? 1) They are afforded the exact same opportunities, anyone can be sent to a private school. 2) There are a number of schools in Melbourne who provide an extremely high quality education without costing much. (Eg. Melbourne High, Macrobertsons). It's not an opportunity if you can't afford to go there. Commie.
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