This thread proves why you guys should just stick to analysing football.

Politics isn't FFT's thing

you do know he used to be a member of the Labor party don't you??? i believe he used to word in the lbor party as well in some capacity

you do know he used to be a member of the Labor party don't you??? i believe he used to word in the lbor party as well in some capacity

LOL Andrew Bolt trying to defend Aussie patriotism :lol: .

This is the same bloke that despite being born in Australia, fled as a 18 year old to his parents' homeland of Holland vowing never to come back because he hated Australia and our culture because it was inferior :-({|= .

The bloke is the biggest fraud and hypocrite out there. However, by being "the most controversial columnist" and being a political attack dog for the Libs, it keeps in him a high profile job at News Ltd and brings home for him the $$$$$.

Some of the most abhorrent citizens in Australia pay their taxes though.

I agree, the only problem is that statement is associated with racism, though is not racist itself. I don't care if you love it or not, but if you're here and pay taxes, contribute to society etc that's good enough for me.

Very rarely agree with Bolt - and the fact that I do on this issue almost makes me want to re-appraise how I feel about these singlets.

For me - IF YOU DON'T LOVE IT, LEAVE, is a perfectly valid statement and isn't racist. It doesn't target anyone, in fact it could be argued that it's welcoming to anyone who does love Australia irrespective of race, religion or nationality.

Slogons like "F*CK OFF, WE'RE FULL", regularly seen on ute bumpers around this fine nation, are clearly the opposite.

Feel kinda bad for Germans now days that almost suppress their patriotism for fears of external parties viewing them as crazy Nazis again.

-PB

Cause Andrew Bolt is quite intelligent and well-spoken (for a conservative) and that pisses off left-wing people to no end.

The same people who say fuck off we're are the same idiots who complain they can't get jobs. Ask them will they work in a dead end job and most say no , I deserve something better . I'm all for being proud but don't use it to slander. Those same people complain people don't want to learn English but at the same time they can't be arsed to learn another language if overseas .

The real problem with 'love it or leave'

If you don't love it, leave ... yes, but love what exactly?

That's the trouble with the sort of angry insistence in slogans like that, in the script so famously plastered on the blue Aussie flag singlet momentarily offered for sale in two Woolworths stores this week.

The real issue being not so much the threat of eviction, but the sense of certainty behind the definition of "it" ... this country, us.

What and where is this Australia we must either love or leave? Presumably it's not the almost unconsciously tolerant, effusively multicultural, free, liberal and accepting reality ... where is the tension in that Australia? Where is the possible cause of offence so grave that expulsion is the only remedy?

Love it or leave it.

According to Miranda Devine, writing in the Daily Telegraph:


Under the headline, "Letting minorities gag the majority" Andrew Bolt asks:


The real crime, quite possibly, is both the appropriation of the very idea of Australia and the empowering of the splinter of the population holding that view with the right to decide who should stay and who should go.

The truth of love it or leave it lies there: this is not a consensus conclusion but the angry protest of a minority who feel their view of what constitutes "Australia" is under challenge. Love it or leave it is a gesture of indignity and affront.

It rankles not so much because it's racist, or bigoted, but because it is so weirdly distant from the truth: a hostile defence of an idea of this country that either never truly existed or has long since been transformed by the march of people, ideas and simple time.

And the truth of this Australia is its best defence, its happy momentum is unstoppable. The anger of love it or leave is clear proof that the Australian project is a progressive and transforming enterprise.

Midweek John Howard and Janet Albrechtsen performed for the Menzies Research Centre, an event live tweeted by Miranda Devine. The former PM was asked for his views on multiculturalism.

Love it or leave.

And how deeply strange ... once people are here what else might they be but "Australian"? This is the essence of the conservative discomfort, that our reality unfolds and is constantly transformed. The idea of a country is drawn from the sum of the people in it, the accumulation of all their aspiration, it's an idea moulded by their present, not a fixed point of nostalgia and constraint.

A country is inherently progressive, a notion that evolves with the people and ideas it contains. The inertia in that process is the sort of conservatism so angry at that transformation it is driven to the threat of love it or leave; a conservatism that fixes on an imagined figment, a precious impression of the past.

It's conservatism found on both sides of politics, in an ALP driven by the power elite parlour games of trade unions that represent a dwindling fraction of the population, or in a Howard view that imagines the country as a service station forecourt filled with happy families in Holden sedans.

The anger behind love it or leave is at the prospect of change and the loss of a reality that is essentially imagined, or narrowly self-reflective and nostalgic.

It's not patriotism, but something sadder, paranoid and uncertain.

It's anger at the inevitability that it won't be them who either love it or leave, but you.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-16/green-the-real-problem-with-love-it-or-leave/5817226

We do speak english here. Any attempt to speak english is appreciated (or should be).

Kind of rich though given 99% of the people who go on contiki tours can't speak a word of the local.

So are you happy to just throw the door open and let everyone in?

Be careful, if you say no you'll be called a racist.

Nothing wrong with being proud on being aussie. The problem is some people use it for different means ie fuck off were full . Or English we speak it here

Nothing wrong with being proud on being aussie. The problem is some people use it for different means ie fuck off were full . Or English we speak it here

Agreed.

And I'm sure most of them come State of Origin time would happily tell someone from the opposite state to fuck off :lol:

So much wank in 1 page.

People who denounce nationalism like it's somehow wrong are the worst.

Edited by benelsmore: 16/10/2014 08:26:10 PM