If theres one thing I decry about the Left is that if you offend any religion (even the most extremist ones) then you are an extreme right wing nutter...who has neo nazi tendencies.
The funny thing is , the same Lefties who defend these extremists would sooner cop a bullet in the head from these same extremists for being disbelievers anyway.

Moderate voices of the culture wars are tired of being yelled down by the fringe.

There in lies the problem. Both sides are loonies. A distinct lack of moderate voices.

Fine by me.

Let all all the crazies be gone in one fell swoop.

-PB

:lol: I now strongly oppose them. Maybe we should have let both sides of the protest fight to the death :lol:

Reclaim want to take it back for Jesus, so there's that small issue.

Ah I see. I'm not against it for Muslim reasons I'm against it for pure religious and hypothetical ones.

I also strongly oppose any resemblance of Sharia Law in any way as most reasonable people do.

Terrorism isn't 'yet' a major issue in this country aside from a few loonies.

I guess I agree with Reclaim on these things. I'm a bogan racist, wooh! :lol:

I got the point, I didn't particularly disagree with it.

I should have clarified that by 'you' I didn't mean YOU and wasn't suggesting that it makes you personally mad.

It doesn't make me mad and I still will, but you couldn't have dismissed/missed the point of that post any worse than you just did.

Renewables cannot replace the amount of jobs they'd kill off by ruining the mining industry. While I'm sure you can find figures saying that mining doesn't employ many people, it's the indirect contributions such as consulting and transport that would cop it the worst if Milne and her cronies got any sort of power. I also question where jobs would be created other than manufacturing, installation and minor maintenance crews unless they want to go for bio-waste type energy generation which is slightly more labour intensive (there's a bio company near me who generates heat energy from mulching all sorts of green waste it's actually quite incredible).

I question Green contributions to major infrastructure projects as well.

I think a RET is a good idea. I just think doing too much, too fast is a hopeless idea from someone who cares about maintaining her hard-line earth warrior stance than a reasonable one.

I also don't get her big-business hate. She wants to increase their tax contributions and those of anyone wealthy because it's easy to rile up the plebs. Our issue is with poor control and money management at every level of government, not tax contributions.

Edited by benelsmore: 9/4/2015 03:09:00 PM

You have a choice. You can choose not to buy it if you're stupid enough to let it make you mad.

Disagree on development, renewables are going gangbusters all over the world except for Australia because of LNP policy. Greens would reverse that market intervention, but to say that they want to stop development is more than a little hyperbolic.

They also seek to actively discriminate against men and boys, particularly straight cisgendered men and boys. Their anti-sex, anti-male agenda has really ramped up in recent political cycles. I'm unsure if it's Milnes influence, or if they're just following down the same SJW rabbit hole that a bunch of other once-rational progressives have fallen.

The point is that they're really no-where near the libertarian side of the spectrum.

I've seen photos of the extreme-left burning flags and crying foul over racism. It's funny how the extreme left always complain about rights and the government and yet in many cases did their best to interrupt a peaceful protest by reclaim who, from surfing the FB pages, made a genuine attempt to make sure the protest did not provoke racism. I guess as always with left wingers, they're so concerned with their social views that they're complete hypocrites.

I noticed a Halal sticker on my vegemite the other day. While I think it's fine, gives Muslims an option regarding food and the companies producing Halal products are widening their target market, shouldn't we have a choice? Is it wrong to be against Halal certified products? I'm against organized religion in general and particularly against organizations extorting people for money which this halal certification is. I can imagine the sort of wrath I'd cop from the extreme left for showing any kind of concern for what I eat and how products are made but when did it become ok to make everything Halal without providing a non-halal option?

Edited by benelsmore: 9/4/2015 02:49:41 PM

Greens just want to stop any kind of development and take money from rich people and make companies pay for their shit and unrealistic ideas.

The Australian Labor party is now more aligned with the centre right economically. They have not been involved in democratic socialism since the 1940s under Chifley.

And if there was any doubt as to their authoritarian stance, just look at how they let the Liberal party stroll through their metadata laws without any opposition.

Similarly, the Liberal party is no longer liberal, but in fact more aligned with conservative capitalism.

Like I said before LNP ran with many of the Pauline Hanson policies and thats why One Nation became irrelevant.

I don't buy bullshit mate. Again, portraying as Liberal party as a right wing extremist group, as per the political compass, is utter bullshit. It's unfairly put Labor on the right as well, I struggle to see how a party that includes socialism in its manifesto can be described as anything other than left wing.

Democrats :(

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-PB

No, like most people you've made the assumption that right wing = authoritarian. One nation believe in protectionism, which keeps them more away from the right than the liberal party. But they are more authoritarian.

The concerning feature of all of this is how simular the major parties are to each other.

You don't buy anything in regards to LNP being painted in a poor light.

-PB

I don't buy that bullshit mate. Putting Liberals to the extreme right and further to the right than One Nation and Labor on the right proves how silly Political Compass is. It's utter bullshit.

Obviously they haven't heard of the Battle of Stalingrad...those dumb fucks don't realise had their ancestors not won that battle they wouldn't exist.

One Nation died because the Libs took pretty much stole all their policies and ran with it.

Greens are not more Libertarian than Authoritarian. That would be the sex party.

Edited by notorganic: 8/4/2015 05:03:15 PM

Here is a compass that shows the political landscape in Asutralia. the problem with the major parties, apart from being very similar in position, is that they are authoritarian in nature, rather than being right or left. The most appealing feature of the Greens is that they are libertarian, rather than being left wing. Also, you'll notice that One nation is less right wing than the Liberal party, but are more authoritarian, that is their problem.

bloody halal tax fair dinkum wouldn't happen if everyone was like me

Left or Right...both are nutters.
I find the majority of these probably stay in Uni long after they are finished to stay with their respective student organisations whilst most non politically minded people go on to get normal and real jobs.

Do you not think he copped as much as a gave? The far left are a disease, if he was a brute good on him.

I think people dislike TA not so much because he is right wing but because he has a lot of form of being a brute in his younger years (i.e. in Uni) and also because he is an idiot.

The thing is the Greens and other extremist left wing socialists/communists believe they are center, and they push people with middle ground values onto the right and far right. TA for example is right wing, but because he tried to impose a $5 co payment on Medicare (something Labor did in the 90's) and believes in God he is described by some as a right wing extremist. I suppose the right has its fair share of lunatics as well, for example Pauline Hanson who professes not to be racist but admits she wouldn't sell her house to Muslims.