This thread is frankly pathetic and some of the openly racist stuff being discussed in here is disgraceful.

I cant be bothered reading it all except to say that this thread is locked and anyone posting racists comment, whether they claim to be facts or not is not on.

You risk a very lengthy ban if it continues.

Edited by Joffa: 5/4/2016 06:33:10 PM

The OP of the IQ garbage is posting this rubbish up as proof that white caucasians are inherently more intelligent than aboriginals.

There is absolutely no doubt that that is what he is driving at.

Amazonian Indians, amongst many other native cultures, can count to 3 or 5 and after that their languages do not even have words for 6, 7, 8 etc.

When shown a handful off beads and asked for an approximation of beads there are they'll say 'many'.

No matter what you say it is not proof of low intelligence.


Edit. Deleted 'their'.



Edited by outonthefull: 5/4/2016 05:03:33 PM

I think they were implying that there are different measures and concepts of intelligence. Some of the smartest people I knew at school had limited common sense / practical intelligence.

That isnt what an IQ test actually tests though.

This IQ thing posted to show that an aborigine is inherently less intelligent than a white caucasian is an absolute disgrace and a deliberate obfuscation of the facts.

If you must post such garbage then at least have the balls to post up inks, sources and references rather than smugly sit there thinking your shit doesn't stink.

If shown a picture of a rabbit and asked to describe what they see an 13 year old city child is likely to tell you that it's a mammal, an introduced species and a pest in Australia.

An aboriginal is likely to tell you it's food.

Neither answer is a demonstration of one's superior intelligence over another. (Let's drop you in the Tanami desert and see how long you last smart arse.)

Pathetic. I feel like I need to have a shower now having engaged in this conversation.

I am sympathetic to the idea of not engaging in discussion with a lot of the posters in this thread, there is a growing list that I'll refuse to bother with. Particularly because they're incapable of supporting their "arguments" with fact and often resort to juvenile retorts.

However when you initiate the topic you should be prepared to engage in some discourse. You don't do that and resort to faux-intellectual arguments around right wingers. Essentially my friend, you are no better than them and I believe my condescension towards you is merited.

I'm also sympathetic to the resentment that many feel towards that you seem to have very little interest in football. The odd post in AF that's even more rarely about matches or its players does suggest you're nothing more than a troll trying to get a reaction.

Thanks for the condescension. Glass houses & all that
FYI, I don't bother engaging in most discussions - psychological research shows only a fairly small percentage of the population are open to rationality. You can tell (typically within one post) whether someone is open to interactive discussion.
Its what academia & science is founded on - exposing one's ideas to being (often brutally) dismantled, to reach truth or the best outcome.

LOL Rags getting savaged. It's a thing of beauty.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
How ironic

Pure cop out. The issue of aboriginal land rights is obviously a natural extension of the invasion debate. If you don't feel comfortable confronting your white male privilege and current illegal alien status there are plenty of neo nazi fascist forums where I think you will feel more at home.

So that's what people's issue is? It was raised in the wrong thread & shouldn't be stand alone?
If moderators deemed it so, are they unable to shift it?

The topic is fine, and to be honest your last page of responses have been reasonable. That doesn't excuse you for your 1 dimensional arguments that you use 90% of the time.

When it couldve peen put in the politics thread.

Yes.

How foolish of me to raise this topic.....

Once again, the issue is about attributing the label of invasion
Pretty basic concept. No critical thinking required, supposedly.
If you truly believe certain land should be repatriated, feel free to start a thread for discussion.

Edited by Murdoch Rags Ltd: 5/4/2016 02:11:34 PM

I'm no Murdoch Rags fan but you all look as foolish as him tbh.

Love Murdoch douche getting savagely roasted. Its beautiful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5OlBT2OcGg

Legally the land belongs to the name that is on the certificate of title. So legally most of the land in Australia does not belong to the indigenous populations. No one is suggesting that land should be returned to it's "ownership" pre 1788 (considering mapping of indigenous tribal areas is so subjective and divisive, without even considering legal ownership, I would imagine it would be near on impossible to do ascertain "ownership" boundaries anyway).

To do what you are suggesting rusty the government would have to compensate every landowner in Australia (at market value) and then hand over the title to indigenous people (let's say they form a national / state body to act on the behalf of their people) for free. I don't think the government could pay the compensation (especially as it will have to displace 98% of the population of Australia who pay taxes to finance government).

Edited by sokorny: 5/4/2016 01:40:22 PM

That's not fair man, He probably sat in the middle of Flinders street for an hour on a random Friday morning!!!!!!!

Why would returning the land to Aboriginals , which was originally stolen from them, be deemed an extreme? Is it legally their land correct? Surely returning it to them would simply be an active of restorative justice, giving them back what is theirs, what is extreme about that? And as owners of the land it's really up to them to decide if we can continue to inhabit it , and what punishments and reparations should be made following the centuries of genocide, subjugation and destruction we have caused to their people and culture.

Surely people of critical thinking would see past their privilege and acknowledge their own guilt and responsibility in condoning the status quo and inaction, and take immediate steps to rectify it rather than seemingly washing their hands by appropriating blame to right wingers.

But then again, maybe you're not a person who thinks critically.

So i'll take that as you've done sweet fuck all aside from taking the moral high ground and spout bullshit. Thanks for clearing that up

More arm waving to justify inaction. Like you righties do with global warming by going to the extreme and suggest we go back to living in caves (not surprising, considering the dichotomous brain). People of more critical thinking can see through it.
The topic of discussion is a label of 'invasion'.

Lmao, Rusty =d>

No no, don’t cop out. You’re illegally occupying foreign land that was forcefully stolen from the indigenous, what have you done, other than taking the moral high ground, paying cheap lip service, and issuing the racism card to right wingers, to address this gross injustice? Have you spoken to the local indigenous to seek permission to live on the land you stole from them and have you considered them paying back rent and reparations for participating in their cultural desecration? You need to confront your direct involvement in the continued oppression of aboriginal Australians, by trying to shame right wingers doesn’t suddenly give you clean hands, your still an illegal occupier, invader and oppressor. If you don’t take direct action against the status quo then it can only be inferred that you passively support the illegal occupation of Australia.

non-sequitur

If you were sincere you would acknowledge your illegal invader status, get off the land you dispossessed from the indigenous and move to another country. But rather than taking any serious action it's much easier to take the moral high ground.

Exactly what laws were broken 200 years ago that made it illegal? I'm pretty sure it was perfectly legal according to all the governments of the world that mattered

A lot of the long diatribes from the right wingers in this thread is all just a smoke screen for the fact that they are racist people. Plain & simple (oops, I'll take that pun as intended :cool: )

Story of my life :cry: