FFA and FIFA heading for final showdown [Comments]


FFA and FIFA heading for final showdown [Comments]

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Inside Sport Bot - 7 Sep 2018 1:37 PM

Lowys now telling government departments what to do maybe ?
Boy they must really have something big to hide. This is getting ridiculous . It seems everyone in the footballing world wants the new Congress to be ratified ..except the Lowys , their "owned" board and a few "tinpot" federations  .
BTW ...has anyone actually asked any FFA Board members (other than Lowy) for their opinions ?

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miron mercedes - 7 Sep 2018 1:45 PM
Inside Sport Bot - 7 Sep 2018 1:37 PM

Lowys now telling government departments what to do maybe ?
Boy they must really have something big to hide. This is getting ridiculous . It seems everyone in the footballing world wants the new Congress to be ratified ..except the Lowys , their "owned" board and a few "tinpot" federations  .
BTW ...has anyone actually asked any FFA Board members (other than Lowy) for their opinions ?

We should ask Lurker

Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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miron mercedes - 7 Sep 2018 1:45 PM
Inside Sport Bot - 7 Sep 2018 1:37 PM

Lowys now telling government departments what to do maybe ?
Boy they must really have something big to hide. This is getting ridiculous . It seems everyone in the footballing world wants the new Congress to be ratified ..except the Lowys , their "owned" board and a few "tinpot" federations  .
BTW ...has anyone actually asked any FFA Board members (other than Lowy) for their opinions ?

The Lowy family are heavy contributors to the Liberal party...  Amazing how much influence you can have over the government when you give them a shit load of cash each year.
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Benjamin - 10 Sep 2018 4:37 PM
miron mercedes - 7 Sep 2018 1:45 PM

The Lowy family are heavy contributors to the Liberal party...  Amazing how much influence you can have over the government when you give them a shit load of cash each year.

I would be surprised if they are not significant contributors to the Labor party as well.... most big businesses hedge their bets with Political parties.

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When will we know??????????????????????

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next time on dragon ball z 
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Melbcityguy - 7 Sep 2018 1:55 PM
next time on dragon ball z 

Let's hope this won't take as long as the Spirit Bomb ay.


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Less likely to be Loweys, one should look at the make up of the Sport Australia Commissioners and who has more to lose from Football especially a strong Female Football  
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Please tell me Gillon McGlauglin isn't a board member of Sport Australia?

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Eldar - 7 Sep 2018 2:28 PM
Please tell me Gillon McGlauglin isn't a board member of Sport Australia?

No, but similar people are
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Post_hoc - 7 Sep 2018 2:31 PM
Eldar - 7 Sep 2018 2:28 PM

No, but similar people are

X2. Kate Palmer. Sport AU's CEO is a d..khead. John Wylie is there. He is AFL aligned and did the crap 2013 'punishment' Of Essendon Drugs. Very real possibility that the AFL backed Sport AU's Board will want FIFA to suspend FFA. 

Dangerous intervention.
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I see, so a Netball fan and an AFL/Cricket fan, through the authority of the Government, are going to decide what is best for Football in this country. I guess Gill just needs to make a call to his mates in office anyway.

Lowy needs to distance himself from this as quickly as possible.


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For SA to voice an opinion at 1 second to midnight is laughable.
Lowy knows any government intervention is a red card and knows there is no way it will help resolve the standoff.
It can only mean Lowy want's FFA to be suspended.
SA and its AFL and other football code proxies would like nothing more than to see football banished.
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Wylie and Palmer are dangerous. Very dangerous. https://www.cmo.com.au/article/644638/how-sport-australia-plans-build-new-national-sporting-agenda/
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New_Dawn_Kiwi_Fan - 7 Sep 2018 3:02 PM

I see Football  is not worth mentioning or is it outside (Offside) her to 12
"To further ensure the marketing effort and Sport 2030 is as collaborative as possible, Eyres and her team have brought together marketing leaders overseeing 12 of Australia’s biggest sporting codes including basketball, AFL, cricket, swimming, surfing and tennis, into a cross-code advisory group. Historically often seen as competitors, this working group, dubbed the ‘Marketing 12’, is about fostering more engagement with physical activity as a whole, she said."


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New_Dawn_Kiwi_Fan - 7 Sep 2018 3:02 PM

"For example, Sport Australia could provide AFL and NFL codes with assets and packages for digital signage to run at half-time during games."

Really?

"marketing leaders overseeing 12 of Australia's biggest sporting codes including basketball, AFL, cricket, swimming, surfing and tennis"


Oh, just fuck off already.




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They don’t even have rugby on the list. I think afl is an enemy to other sports not just ours
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Suspension is looking the most likely outcome now.

FIFA have been patient for too long.

Why?

Sport Australia would be well aware of FIFA's intolerance of government interference. I guess the question is at what point does something become interference. Does the expression of an opinion become that? I doubt it.



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Well if nothing else it is free advertising for this "Sports Australia" never heard of them and had no idea who was on the Board.
Who picked them ? How dare they not even mention Football NRL and Rugby union  ?
WTF is going on in this country ?

The one good thing is we now know it exists and has no love of football.

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miron mercedes - 7 Sep 2018 3:49 PM
Well if nothing else it is free advertising for this "Sports Australia" never heard of them and had no idea who was on the Board.
Who picked them ? How dare they not even mention Football NRL and Rugby union  ?
WTF is going on in this country ?

The one good thing is we now know it exists and has no love of football.

https://www.sportaus.gov.au/sportaus/corporate_structure#john_wylie_am

It is interesting (and to me disturbing)  that 6 of the 10 board members and 3 of the 5 executives are female.

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Sa la vi FFA 
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Didnt Sports Australia fold in the late 90s?
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So let me get this straight, a government body, run by people who are not favourable to football, are getting involved, meaning they are doing the one thing most likely to get us expelled from FIFA?

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bettega - 7 Sep 2018 4:03 PM
So let me get this straight, a government body, run by people who are not favourable to football, are getting involved, meaning they are doing the one thing most likely to get us expelled from FIFA?

Yes
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bettega - 7 Sep 2018 4:03 PM
So let me get this straight, a government body, run by people who are not favourable to football, are getting involved, meaning they are doing the one thing most likely to get us expelled from FIFA?

They hand over $4.8m a year so they do have skin in the game.

Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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They hand over $4.8m a year so they do have skin in the game.

$4.8 million a year to the dominating (participant wise) code in Australia is a pittance and dereliction of their duties.

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Beyond the beyond.

Seems to have taken the view if I can't have my way I will destroy it all.


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I've got myself confused (along with a headache) reading everything....
So who are the good guys?? Who are the bad guys?? FFA? FIFA? Sports Australia? Anyone else I missed?

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the lowys called in their mates.  they're prepared to bring it all down with them.

 




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I'll fill you in....FFA is looking to form a block representing Lowy/Fox/The Gov and AFL lovers to counteract the dangers of Football clubs and participants holding too much power.



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Do Sports Australia actually have any power to do anything?
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City Sam - 7 Sep 2018 5:04 PM
Do Sports Australia actually have any power to do anything?

Not hand over $4.8m ?

Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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I don't know about everyone else but I am so sick of feeling like others are trying to kill my favourite sport and I can do nothing about it ....I wonder if there is someone out there with the energy ,knowledge and connections to organize a mass petition to our Government ....and maybe the FFA as well ?
We have the largest participation numbers in the country and get only $4.8million a year ????  WTF ! Thats about $3.50 for each player....well do me a dance !...isn't that a windfall for which we should all be grateful !
I could get some new laces for my boots ...woops .....no they are $4.00 a pair ...maybe next year !!!

...and how dare these morons ( women or men I don't care ..they are all morons...) start trying to sabotage a process most in the Australian football world want to happen.
These jerks at Sports Australia knew about these recommendations for months and have only just now come out (on the eve of the vote) and said they don't like them .
They also would be well aware that FIFA do not countenance political interference...if they do not.... they should be sacked immediately for incompetence.....but who sacks them ? and who ,for that matter, appointed them ? I didn't ....
How about we tell Sports Australia to fuck off and we put player fees up $3.50 per year ...I think I can handle that extra burden !!!!

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miron mercedes - 7 Sep 2018 5:10 PM
I don't know about everyone else but I am so sick of feeling like others are trying to kill my favourite sport and I can do nothing about it ....I wonder if there is someone out there with the energy ,knowledge and connections to organize a mass petition to our Government ....and maybe the FFA as well ?
We have the largest participation numbers in the country and get only $4.8million a year ????  WTF ! Thats about $3.50 for each player....well do me a dance !...isn't that a windfall for which we should all be grateful !
I could get some new laces for my boots ...woops .....no they are $4.00 a pair ...maybe next year !!!

...and how dare these morons ( women or men I don't care ..they are all morons...) start trying to sabotage a process most in the Australian football world want to happen.
These jerks at Sports Australia knew about these recommendations for months and have only just now come out (on the eve of the vote) and said they don't like them .
They also would be well aware that FIFA do not countenance political interference...if they do not.... they should be sacked immediately for incompetence.....but who sacks them ? and who ,for that matter, appointed them ? I didn't ....
How about we tell Sports Australia to fuck off and we put player fees up $3.50 per year ...I think I can handle that extra burden !!!!

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I'm not following the HAL this season. Enough is enough.
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bohemia - 7 Sep 2018 5:19 PM
I'm not following the HAL this season. Enough is enough.

You won't be missing much to be honest. 
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I'm gobsmacked.
Take a look at the board of Sports Australia.
It's stacked with anti football people.
People who are directly involved with A League competitors like the Melbourne Stars and Tennis Australia.
Also a few AFL club directors.
Now, the cynic in me wonders why they are commenting on this issue.
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MarkfromCroydon - 7 Sep 2018 5:22 PM
I'm gobsmacked. Take a look at the board of Sports Australia. It's stacked with anti football people. People who are directly involved with A League competitors like the Melbourne Stars and Tennis Australia. Also a few AFL club directors.Now, the cynic in me wonders why they are commenting on this issue.




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and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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I believe Sports Australia gives out more than $250mill a year. Football gets $4.8mill?
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crimsoncrusoe - 7 Sep 2018 5:52 PM
I believe Sports Australia gives out more than $250mill a year. Football gets $4.8mill?

It's not one of the "big 12" unfortunately.


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crimsoncrusoe - 7 Sep 2018 5:52 PM
I believe Sports Australia gives out more than $250mill a year. Football gets $4.8mill?

So they give football fuck all and now they are concerned, nothing suss at all. 
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I doubt FIFA would say anything but it would be interesting if they did.

Hopefully we will have some finality in the matter. It’s been over 2 years...
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This debacle is the gift that just keeps giving. It’s hard to understand lowy’s position, why is he risking so much damage to a sport he claims to care about? Beyond suspicious really. Sport Australia should be keeping their mouth shut, their board has no voice in this matter whatsoever.
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Pretty easy to understand why he is doing this.

He probably knows he is on a loser and knows that getting the gov involved with get the FFA suspended by FIFA.

All parties know this.

Probably his last bargaining chip to persuade votes his way.

He is scum of the lowest order.

Wanting to destroy the game here in Australia just to keep his job.

Well, it's not his sport to fuck with like that.  He can fuck off.






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Can’t wait for Simon hill to drop some truth bombs
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EGM booked 2Oct.

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CRWG have the numbers?
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crimsoncrusoe - 7 Sep 2018 7:36 PM
EGM booked 2Oct.

Can someone dumb down this answer for me....

What are the possible outcomes from this meeting. Will this be where FFA is kicked out by FIFA, or is there a chance a date for any changes will just be delayed again?

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So at the EGM we either get the congress changes or the normalization committee?
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I am pretty sure at the AGM a motion will be called to approve a change to the constitution in accordance with the CRWG proposal.A vote will then see if its approved or not.If it's approved the congress will changed at a later date to be set.Everything then follows from that.
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crimsoncrusoe - 7 Sep 2018 8:14 PM
I am pretty sure at the AGM a motion will be called to approve a change to the constitution in accordance with the CRWG proposal.A vote will then see if its approved or not.If it's approved the congress will changed at a later date to be set.Everything then follows from that.

Ah okay. And if nothing can be decided is when FIFA will step in?

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crimsoncrusoe - 7 Sep 2018 8:14 PM
I am pretty sure at the AGM a motion will be called to approve a change to the constitution in accordance with the CRWG proposal.A vote will then see if its approved or not.If it's approved the congress will changed at a later date to be set.Everything then follows from that.

I think the motion to the EGM will need to be more specific than just approval of a change to the constitution in accordance with the CRWG proposal.  The actual details of the changes to the constitution will need to be voted on for it to have any effect.  It will be interesting to see FFV's motion which will now be circulated to the 10 members of the FFA.  In a normally operating organisation the Board would give its advice on the motion for consideration by the members at the EGM.
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if Sport Australia doesnt have Football in the top 12, are they seeking to wipe out the code in this country, only because it is competition to the NRL and the AFL?
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HeyItsRobbie - 7 Sep 2018 8:22 PM
if Sport Australia doesnt have Football in the top 12, are they seeking to wipe out the code in this country, only because it is competition to the NRL and the AFL?

I'm pretty sure it's in the 12. I only skimmed the article, but it only seemed to list 6 of them. 
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Its the end of the Lowys regime here

The FFA know they are finished. Scorched Earth is the word i would use as they'd rather destroy football in this country than to see it succeed.

i hope FIFA employs a normalisation committee in Australia and not allow the FFA the satisfaction of destroying the game in Australia.
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Gyfox,the congress changes appear to be quite specific.So I assume that in some form will be presented for a vote.If that is approved all the dominos fall after that.At what time and what speed depends on how much backing there is for each 'item'?
It 's not beyond the realms of possibility that there is a vote for in principle agreement with the whole CWRG report.But clearly any specific resolutions will avoid anyone getting cold feet later.
The important thing is to change the congress .Then the recalcitrants are doomed and the majority can approve changes ,as it should be.
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So what’s the latest with this?
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Melbcityguy - 10 Sep 2018 11:25 AM
So what’s the latest with this?

Have to sit on hands until October 2nd 

Clear Contact There

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We should know by Oct 2 if common sense prevails and the civil war ends. Otherwise suspension from FIFA seems the likely punishment.
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Seems to me this has become as many have hinted / implied that this is far more about Lowy ego and loss of influence than anything else.

More over the degree the Lowy's are prepared to push beggars belief.... I never believed they would push to the extent they would risk Footballs future.

Even the Feds holding out don't seem to have the support of their grassroot member clubs, and the chairs of these Feds seem willy to ignore the wants of their member clubs.

To me it seems like 98% want change with even the union and clubs joining forces....

Tis a real pity the mainstream media re ignoring this I would love questions asked on the 7:30 report and the like.



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It still staggers me that we could end up being suspended from international competition because of the Lowy's pig headedness...and it certainly appears that the Lowy's run that board (and I say Lowy's because nothing can convince me Steven isn't doing exactly as he is told by Frank )...the question is why ????
It really makes me wonder why they are fighting so hard to stop the Congress findings being passed... there has to be another reason other than they simply think it will give too much power to the professional game.
Successful business people are nothing if not practical...they normally know when to walk away from a losing situation...why have they not walked away from this one ?
What is their possible gain here ?
Curiouser and curiouser....!!!

Interesting quote from an article by Bonita Mersiades:

link: http://footballtoday.news/features/steven-lowys-resignation-what-does-it-mean

"Some sources suggest that the reason Lowy is so desperate to remain in charge until the end of November relates back to the tainted bid for the 2022 World Cup. ASIC regulations require corporations, including those limited by guarantee, to maintain all financial records for seven years after financial statements are lodged. The seven years is up for 2010-11, the final year of grant monies from the federal government, in November 2018. 

Surely that’s just a coincidence. Isn’t it ? "




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miron mercedes - 10 Sep 2018 4:26 PM
it still staggers me that we could end up being suspended from international competition because of the Lowy's pig headedness.
It really makes me wonder why they are fighting so hard to stop the Congress findings being passed... there has to be another reason other than they simply think it will give too much power to the professional game.
Successful business people are nothing if not practical...they normally know when to walk away from a losing situation...why have they not walked away from this one ?
What is their possible gain here ?
Curiouser and curiouser....!!!

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Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Buggalugs 2.0 - 10 Sep 2018 4:31 PM
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Mid November is the crucial date for the Lowy's/FFA I believe.  If they can stagger to that the files can be disposed of and the handover completed.  Nothing suss.
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Mid November is the crucial date for the Lowy's/FFA I believe.  If they can stagger to that the files can be disposed of and the handover completed.  Nothing suss.

Well, they've got the EGM beyond the FIFA committees September meeting date now, so I don't know when the next one is after that.

Then, If the EGM votes down the CRWG recommendations, the AGM will go ahead as normal I guess in the meantime

I'm not sure when the last date for the AGM can be.

Closed HAL is failing with 10 teams
Closed HAL failed with 11
FFA forced to try a 12 team Closed HAL thatll just create 2 more mid table also-rans
and still this weird 16-team panacea gets trotted out. 
Theres a sticky for this nonsense
https://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread

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Yes it is interesting that no journo or commentator other than Bonita Mersiades has even mentioned the November cut off date for keeping records of those World Cup bid grant monies..I can only assume ...either Bonita is completely wrong and all the other journos/commentators know this .....or.... they are all scared of (a) losing their jobs (at the Lowy's insistance) or (b) they are worried about being sued ...either way the power of big money holds sway once again...
...and Bonita, whether you are right or wrong .....you are to be admired for your guts and saying things as you see them

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