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+x+x+xWarner's aggression needs improvement and we could still do a lot better with the ball outside Starc Cummins. I think Zampa threatens a lot more if you open with the Dorf/Starc and bowl Zampa in tandem with cummins in the middle overs. Look how much Zampa benefits from an economical bowler at the other end Zampas average/economy after an economical bowler (cummins/lyon) 20.1/5.1 Average/economy after everyone else 46/6.3 Interesting comments. i think your point that Cummins is still potent whether he bowls with an older or newer ball is a good one. Hence, opening with someone else. Gday Dc, jaszyjim - I tape the matches and watch it next morning - hence my late reviews as I want to comment on the whole match. Have read all the post to date so here's mine & as usual a slightly different take. Positives; We won Finch got 150 with feet moving well - a good innings. Great partnership between Finch & Smith, set up the game. Cummins & Starc bowled well. Negatives; Warner, Khawaja & Marsh. Maxwell running out 2. (before you all cry me down, he was the one with a view of ball & fielder did not call quick enough - exactly same scenario with SL batting, a very quick call of no, saved he run out). Note despite scoring 40 odd & bowling good economy, Maxwell not in my positive list. Team selection; All I can think off, is that the selectors assumed we would win regardless and put in players to compare them against one another. No Lyons again - who has he upset? Before we get too excited about our performance, lets look at other details. The pitch was perfectly suited for scoring off medium pace. SL pace attack was not pace, it was medium pace - low to mid 130ks. The same speed as Dorf & Richo - Cummins & Starc = 10ks quicker. More damming that Warner did not score against them & it gave Finch time to move his feet, which = confidence & let him open up later, despite the lack of speed in the attack, a real good innings by Finch. Why are Khawaja & S. Marsh in the side, I agree that if you want to retain Khawaja move him to open, Smith still at 3 & Warner @ 4. S. Marsh needs dropping, never to play in this tournament again. Maxwell - came in under no pressure, scored early & did not really go on with it against an only medium pace. Watch his feet, he is really just a slogger that relies on hand eye coordination with little foot movement. The problem with players like this, is as they age the hand eye coordination lessens and they will fail against fast pace & good spin. He should have scored more & in reality failed the last overs. Bowling wise had good economy, no wickets & showed why we should have a least one spinner in the team. Dorf & Richo took wickets but unimpressive. As mentioned in the posts, Dorf is a new ball bowler, so why wasn't he bowled openning - didn't Finch trust him with the new ball? Carey & Cummins batting can't comment on as they had the unfortune to bat with Maxwell. Upcoming match against Bangladesh will be interesting, only to see what the selectors do, ie should be the team that will face England. My team for this match & against England. Finch, Khawaja, Smith, Warner, M. Marsh, Maxwell, Carey, Stoinis, Cummins, Starc & Lyon. If Stoinis not fit, replaced by Richardson batting @ 10. Love your round ups, JJ. Some of Maxwell’s agricultural slogs were not in the textbook, but he was very effective. With his wonderful fielding and part time spin I suppose he earns his spot for mine.
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+x@Decentric: Incidentally Here is Cummins average and economy since the start of the india tour in each power play 18.3 at 4.1 an over in the first power play 22.7 at 4.4 an over in the 2nd (few are better) 10 at 5 an over at the death The figures in the first 10 are very good, no doubt. But we can get other bowlers who have similar impact at that part of the game. The middle and late overs he's unmatched With those figures, well said.
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+xMaxwell definitely a positive for mine That side is aggressive! It would allow us to bat very deep and give the top order confidence to go hard. I guess you could argue we don't lose too much since our 4th bowler hasn't been great anyway Gday gb, jaszyjim - Bowling wise it is not too bad. Obviously Cummins, Starc & Lyon as the 3 mains for 30 overs & despite my criticism of Maxwell, he has been bowling with good economy. So for the other 20 overs you have a mix of Maxwell, M. Marsh & Stoinis or Patterson. Having 2 slow bowlers give Finch the ability to mix things up a bit more. I believe this is the best mix of the players we have over there, to get 10 wickets & the opposition from scoring too many. Like you mentioned also a very good line up with a blend of aggression & accumulators.
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Maxwell definitely a positive for mine
That side is aggressive! It would allow us to bat very deep and give the top order confidence to go hard. I guess you could argue we don't lose too much since our 4th bowler hasn't been great anyway
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+x+xWarner's aggression needs improvement and we could still do a lot better with the ball outside Starc Cummins. I think Zampa threatens a lot more if you open with the Dorf/Starc and bowl Zampa in tandem with cummins in the middle overs. Look how much Zampa benefits from an economical bowler at the other end Zampas average/economy after an economical bowler (cummins/lyon) 20.1/5.1 Average/economy after everyone else 46/6.3 Interesting comments. i think your point that Cummins is still potent whether he bowls with an older or newer ball is a good one. Hence, opening with someone else. Gday Dc, jaszyjim - I tape the matches and watch it next morning - hence my late reviews as I want to comment on the whole match. Have read all the post to date so here's mine & as usual a slightly different take. Positives; We won Finch got 150 with feet moving well - a good innings. Great partnership between Finch & Smith, set up the game. Cummins & Starc bowled well. Negatives; Warner, Khawaja & Marsh. Maxwell running out 2. (before you all cry me down, he was the one with a view of ball & fielder did not call quick enough - exactly same scenario with SL batting, a very quick call of no, saved he run out). Note despite scoring 40 odd & bowling good economy, Maxwell not in my positive list. Team selection; All I can think off, is that the selectors assumed we would win regardless and put in players to compare them against one another. No Lyons again - who has he upset? Before we get too excited about our performance, lets look at other details. The pitch was perfectly suited for scoring off medium pace. SL pace attack was not pace, it was medium pace - low to mid 130ks. The same speed as Dorf & Richo - Cummins & Starc = 10ks quicker. More damming that Warner did not score against them & it gave Finch time to move his feet, which = confidence & let him open up later, despite the lack of speed in the attack, a real good innings by Finch. Why are Khawaja & S. Marsh in the side, I agree that if you want to retain Khawaja move him to open, Smith still at 3 & Warner @ 4. S. Marsh needs dropping, never to play in this tournament again. Maxwell - came in under no pressure, scored early & did not really go on with it against an only medium pace. Watch his feet, he is really just a slogger that relies on hand eye coordination with little foot movement. The problem with players like this, is as they age the hand eye coordination lessens and they will fail against fast pace & good spin. He should have scored more & in reality failed the last overs. Bowling wise had good economy, no wickets & showed why we should have a least one spinner in the team. Dorf & Richo took wickets but unimpressive. As mentioned in the posts, Dorf is a new ball bowler, so why wasn't he bowled openning - didn't Finch trust him with the new ball? Carey & Cummins batting can't comment on as they had the unfortune to bat with Maxwell. Upcoming match against Bangladesh will be interesting, only to see what the selectors do, ie should be the team that will face England. My team for this match & against England. Finch, Khawaja, Smith, Warner, M. Marsh, Maxwell, Carey, Stoinis, Cummins, Starc & Lyon. If Stoinis not fit, replaced by Richardson batting @ 10.
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@Decentric:
Incidentally Here is Cummins average and economy since the start of the india tour in each power play 18.3 at 4.1 an over in the first power play 22.7 at 4.4 an over in the 2nd (few are better) 10 at 5 an over at the death
The figures in the first 10 are very good, no doubt. But we can get other bowlers who have similar impact at that part of the game. The middle and late overs he's unmatched
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+xWarner's aggression needs improvement and we could still do a lot better with the ball outside Starc Cummins. I think Zampa threatens a lot more if you open with the Dorf/Starc and bowl Zampa in tandem with cummins in the middle overs. Look how much Zampa benefits from an economical bowler at the other end Zampas average/economy after an economical bowler (cummins/lyon) 20.1/5.1 Average/economy after everyone else 46/6.3 Interesting comments. i think your point that Cummins is still potent whether he bowls with an older or newer ball is a good one. Hence, opening with someone else.
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Thank goodness we won!
In Australia, most of us are in bed of the second innings of these World Cup One Day games.
Lots of good up to dates, Grazor.
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Warner's aggression needs improvement and we could still do a lot better with the ball outside Starc Cummins. I think Zampa threatens a lot more if you open with the Dorf/Starc and bowl Zampa in tandem with cummins in the middle overs.
Look how much Zampa benefits from an economical bowler at the other end
Zampas average/economy after an economical bowler (cummins/lyon) 20.1/5.1 Average/economy after everyone else 46/6.3
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lessons from this game
1. Warner needs to get his agression back. If he plays like this against England its game over practically before we start 2. Zampa should play at the oval. He will leak runs, so will everyone. But he will take Brittish wickets 3. Cummins should play the old ball. I can't think of any bowler in the world better between overs 10 and 40. Dorf can take early wickets if he gets a chance and he's ok at the death
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would love to sub a pace bowler for zampa on this pitch
he has 1 bad performance on a pitch with no spin against the best players of spin in the world and he's off
its like we are back to the days of pre finch captaincy
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the wasted review comes back to haunt us as the umpire makes a howler
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you really should have starc and the dorf bowl the first 10 imo
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the wicket is so easy
what the heck was warner and khawaja doing?
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this start and how easy its looked should really be a rocket up warner
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ugh why so short
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wish we saved all 10 cummins for the middle overs
I think he's the one bowler in the world that is better with the old ball and 10 cummins overs in the middle is worth everything
start and finish with starc and the dorff
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good stuff bringing on the dorff
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gee 24 from the first 2
pitch looks very very easy
no explanation for warners performance really
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ugh need to start with the dorff not cummins
cummins is just as lethal in the middle overs and its a completely different team if 10 of the middle overs are from him
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not a great over to start but some brilliant batting
where was this from warner
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97 off the last 10 which is ok. You'd like another dozen or so with so many wickets in the shed. Probably all dozen of those runs should have come from Marsh (if mitch Marsh comes in we are a lot more balanced)
If warner gets back to his best and our 2nd string bowlers get back in form we have a good chance
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pretty brilliant innings from maxwell
wish we had mitch marsh
333 against sri lanka. We scored a lot more last world cup against a better sri lanka. We also had a better bowling attack to defend it
still we should win this game if we bowl and field well
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wonder why starc isn't ahead of cummins in this form of the game
Cummins is more defensive
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we are really struggling to finish innings
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warner/Khawaja and Marsh probably cost Australia 40 runs with their plodding
still gonna be an ok score
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about 20 yorkers from Malinga and not a single scoop...
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Marsh not only couldn't hit boundaries but he's a danger of hurting Maxwell's rhthym and getting him out
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marsh out 3 off 9
terrible
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marsh 3 off 8 in the last 5 overs
for goodness sake
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