So apparently the fa are setting up state academies thay will compete in the npl.

So long as it isnt a bandaid to cover our lack of pathways (aka no nst) im really for it, means players have somewhere to go if they are cut from a league clubs

https://x.com/Farpostperth/status/1831492858886681083

A consortium of clubs have opposed it

Ah typical of Aus football this, oppose any proposal that could help the development of the sport.

I don’t know what this proposal is and what’s its purpose is but if FA want to bring in something to improve youth development then they should do it otherwise who should run the sport and call the shots?
Any resistance coming from the outside of FA doesn’t make sense, meanwhile the rest of the world will continue to push forward whilst we stand still. 

Just another reason why there is too much bureaucracy in the game, one voice in making the shots and the rest should follow it it’s not that hard ffs.

I mean there probably are flaws in this proposal, just as the type of nst that would work is probably flawed...but just do something rather than letting perfect being the enemy of good

Apparently Perth glory's underage juniors were forced out of local junior leagues too

there might be a rationale here...but its missing from their statement....

Like i mentioned I don’t know what it is and it means for the players, clubs etc but if FA feel it’s the right way then they should do it as it’s the best interests
for the sport as always these things can be tweaked or modified over time like anything.

Like any policy or scheme imposed by govts. nothing will be perfect and will face scrutiny by the media and opposition if not done well or the intentions are not right but if nothing gets done then nothing will change like anything in life.

Like you said don’t let the trying to be perfect by the energy of good and that perfectly describes most things in Oz football lol.

Looks like we are going back to the future? 

Return of state based institutes/NTC?  
Just like what has been in place in SA this whole time. 

I assume Ernie Merrick is behind this
He did coach the VIS when it started. 
I suppose he has to justify his job. 

Do we know what the exact proposal is from the FA ? 

Next year there will be state based academies in 4 states including wa that will play in the npl and junior leagues

Jj also said he wants to bring back the ais and is lobbying government ahead of brizzy 2032

Personally, I disagree, but always healthy to talk about options.

Firstly, financial. Men's, women's, NST... all struggling. Another national league ain't happening.
Competitiveness. You learn more playing against men than boys.
Grimaud argues for more pressure matches, 30+. Well, some of the youth teams already are. 30 senior matches plus finals or promotion/relegation playoffs, I'm unsure why Grimaud dismisses these for playing 30 matches against boys instead.
And the best youth get picked to play A-League too, there's more minutes for them.
These kids are still in school too. It won't be ideal having them flying around the country every fortnight.
I think 90% of the NYL arguments are pointless. The NST would have a greater impact here at all levels.

If its a binary choice i agree i prefer a nst

But if a league clubs can be pressured into a full h and a nyl that could make a difference

NPL definitely better for the aleague club youngsters. 
20-25 games played. 
NYL is only beneficial yo give these boys another 10-12 games in the summer. 
Also gives clubs opportunity for squad players to get match fitness. 

Boys playing against NPL senior football much lore beneficial. 
No question about it. 

NYL is a nice thing to have, the bells and whistles so to speak when we're swimming in cash.
Having it in addition to federation football (during A-League season) would be good too, but not "instead of".
Put the money from flights across the country into to coaching and development instead.
There is very little to be gained from just a NYL, Might even be worse off. Money doesn't grow on trees and you have to choose your battles.
Money aside, do we think that Wanderers youth got more from playing NPL this season than they would've in an NYL?

100%.
Have a NYL kickoff around the same time as A-League, but only play each other once. By the end of the NYL, the NPL would be starting.
Max games. Max benefits. And financially more responsible.

old poster VOR gives his opinion on what he thinks is wrong with this

https://x.com/osaussiesadam/status/1832016248798069097

I suspect this is ok though. NPL clubs will never get much from transfers. An NST and even a conference might get more. But happy to hear if someone has a different view

What you say sounds reasonable

but then this year the a league clubs seem to be splashing a lot of players (not just marquees) despite going without 1.5 million in tv distributions. There seems to be no end to the cash these clubs are willing to throw about. Perhaps if the next apl tv deal is passable, maybe an nyl is possible

Comparisons there to AIS. Listening to past players over the years, they all glow when talking about the AIS days and how great it was for their development. But then Howard makes a good point about player drain from local clubs, and relying on the future payments if a player makes it somewhere else.

Many youth players will be seperated from the NST, NPL and state leagues, which would then be full of older players. Instead of having dozens/hundreds of clubs around Australia developing youth in their own varieties of styles, we'll probably end up with a uniform/vanilla crop of youth.

I'm torn. Not sure what's best here and how to benefit all involved.


Yeah, good point.

yeah think its a net positive in the current system where a league scouts aren't doing enough to scout players outside their networks. Put all the good ones in the one spot. As you say it did wonders in the ais. But as Adam worries, a bandaid to improve our lack of pathways could take us further away from a pyramid. I personally doubt the latter if (and only if) the nst actually happens. Presumably clubs that make the nst won't have to give up their youth to a state academy

I recalled in the NSL era where the GG nucleus was formed, they had the state leagues aka the NPL of today in the winter, and the NYL in the summer so the players would play year round and get as many competitive games under their belt.
I don’t know why people are against bringing back the NYL, yes its a cost but ultimately it’s an investment for the future for the players, coaches and the teams and ultimately we want to be doing the best we can on the world stage and right now this is not the case.
Should the AIS come back I don’t know, times had changed from the 90s so who knows if it’s a worthwhile idea in todays era.

I think the idea of bringing the AIS back is a worthwhile cause, we don’t have a Clairfontaine or a St. George’s Park but having a dedicated place where coaching for elite players can be achieved rather than piecemeal club academies or youth leagues is what should be aimed for.

And if you put them back in Canberra's NPL, there's a Griffith team to flog again