First and formost, LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

Second, most of these teams wont work.

Teams that wont: Auckland, Sutherland, Richmond, MetroStars, Syd Utd, Brisbane City, Syd Olympic, Sth Melbourne and Perth SC.
Reasons: Most of these areas arent viable, and for the former-NSL teams, they had there chance, we dont need those Ethnic clubs back in a national league.

Teams that may work:
Tasmania - It is a state that is overlooked by too many sports. Thay have a massive AFL following down there yet the AFL refuse to give them a team, it might be a good chance for the FFA to move in, but im sure as hell they wont be based out of fucking Devonport Oval, they have 2 perfectly good stadiums in the 2 major cities.

South Coast Wolves - Obviously a reincarnate of the Woolongong Wolves franchise. Ive heard Timmy Cahill would back and play for a team in the Woolongong region and they were a fairly successful team in the old NSL. If they do get backed by a Mr Cahill, i see them as a future franchise in the A-League.

I think in terms of a second league, its a long, long way away. Maybe after the 2022 world cup depending on interest and how we come out the other side of the WC (if we host it).

Best post on this thread.

A for Australia, not for quality. ;)

im not an z-league fan nor a supporter....

but come on....:lol:

I seriously doubt it - he would have achieved what he set out to do and would most likely want to bask in the glory (quite rightly, because that would be a huge result for him and the game).

olympic is no longer for the b-league we are for the a-league

How will Brisbane City get 7,000 when Brisbane Roar struggle to do so ???
I haven't heard so much crap since ... yesterday when I was at work !!!

I would like to see Oeania and Asia merge first ( surely that will happen ??!! ) then see if the HAL puts a +1 cap on overseas players like the ACL do for all non-AUS and non-NZL players.

This might help the 'elite' players from New Caledonia , Solomon Islands etc get a taste of professional football.
It would help struggling nations and give the region more exposure.

The top naturally gifted players would be likely to be cheaper than players from other regions which in turn could help keep ticket prices 'low' and drive gate sales/membership.

You only have to see what the Africans have been able to achieve in Europe to know that it is possible, that it can happen.

You look at the likes of Karembu, see what he's doing, who will take over from him ??
If there is no-one to do this then the momentum dies.

And what if Australia wins the WC? Will Lowy be likely to step down?

Nah, I'm interested in seeing how many times PAOKTZI will return to post variations of the rumour with different teams and start dates.



Whilst I don't give any weight to this idea getting off the ground, it's worth noting that if/when we lose the world cup bid at the end of this year, it's quite possible that Lowy might step down, and that his successor may have alternative ideas about how to run the competition.

Even with a new man in charge, there's no way the FFA would allow 3 2nd division sides to 're-boot' in the West of Sydney within 2 years of the new A-League franchise opening for business in the same area.

I also find it amusing that Paoktzi's latest list is quite specific with regard to NSW and VIC, but has '2nd Brisbane team' rather than his previously predicted Brisbane City or the fairly obvious Brisbane Strikers.

B-league wont happen for another 10 years, and the way the a-league crowds are falling who knows if there ever will be a B-league...

Lock/Red Card thread please?

Yeah my bad on that one.:oops:

Edited by sydneycroatia58: 2/2/2010 06:38:36 PM

yeah I get that. Read what I said, it was tounge in cheek.

It's not about the timeframe. It's about the fact that Frank Lowy and the FFA won't let those teams into a B-League. Simple as that.

B is for bullshit,yes? these have more chance of happening
Queensland will stay as is
on the NSW side
1 Olympic will merge with the Berries,Dulwich Hill,St George FC,Stanmore Hawks
2 Marconi will merge with BWE
3 South coast will merge with SutherLand Sharks
4 United will merge with Macarthur Rams,
5 APIA will merge with Rockdale,Fraser Park FC
6 Blacktown will merge with Mt Druitt Town Rangers
7 Manly will merge with Northern Tigers FC, Central Coast Lightning
8 Bankstown will merge with Parramatta Eagles, Granville Rage, FC Bossy Liverpool
with the superleague, div1, div2 wound up and the clubs that don't make it wil beforced in to local amature comps.

the same type of consolidation and sheding of teirs will be done in VIC,SA,WA on till there is one main teir in of the big state markets with the those leagues being acl compliant(ACT,NNSW,NT TAS will be ignored)

Its offical, zero gravity football to replace ground football as more popular game in 2098!! (Olympic wont be allowed in it either)

a2 commencing from 2014

We shouldn't be so quick to critize his bullshit, he's given it 4 years before it occurs..

:roll:

Absolutely pathetic. At least admit you made every single piece of this up yourself.

Auckland will never be given another chance. That's reasonably obvious. New Caledonia and Auckland? Really? Considering the AFC is trying to block the Phoenix out?

And I'm pretty sure it'd be called the A2-League or A-League division 2. Not B-League. The 'A' stands for Australia. What does the 'B' stand for? Bullshit?

If you want people to actually believe your bullshit don;t make it so fanciful and un realistic.

olympic, south melbourne, united , melbourne knights, adelaide second team, richmond, brisane second team, tassie, wollongong, darwin, marconi

So what teams is this B-League meant to include by 2014.

confirmed to me by a friend yesterday that b-league will come into play by 2014

Same question could be asked of Melbourne Heart though. Why would you go to a new franchise when you already have the best supported, most successful team in the league on your doorstep?

The answer, I suppose, is choice. Especially if the 2nd division (not B League, please, we're in Australia, not Baustralia) consists of existing clubs with their existing small supporter base.

I wish people would stop listing areas for expansion/2nd division sides.

The make-up of any second division will depend entirely on who is willing to back a side in a lower division.

The fact that so few are able to afford A-League franchises indicates that finding backers for a lower division will be even harder...

So we're left asking the question - if we have no backers, but still want a 2nd division, where can we get 'new' teams from?

I still believe that the answer is to say that the 2nd division should be a 'stand-alone' division consisting of existing clubs, no promotion or relegation, used almost entirely to condense the 'best of the rest' talent in Australia into a smaller, better quality pool. Take away promotion/relegation, then the 'fear' of old clubs polluting the A-League with their scary ethnicity is dissolved somewhat.

Also, as a non-franchise league, there wouldn't be problems with major investors if the FFA felt the need to remove/replace an under-performing (either on the field, in the stands or at the bank). Best case scenario, if a club does well year-on-year, the FFA can invite them to step up to the A-League.

I'd play the entire competition Tues-Thurs, 2 games a night.

So, the FFA gets it's second division; the old clubs get a national competition and get to keep their 'identity'; the players get another chance at pro football; the supporters get more choice; Fox Sports get extra games; and the FFA has it's insulation if things go wrong.

I've said this all before though.

Where the hell is the FC FC Wagga Wagga Froggers, Atletico Kakadu, 1860 Ballarat, SS Toowoomba, Real Goondiwindi, Futbol Club De Mt Gambier, South Auckland Bros, Calcio Narre Warren, Coffs Harbour Cough Medicines, Christchurch Saint-Germain, Werder Dunedin, Dinamo Orange & El Sportivo Port Moresby. This is an outrage. How can football heartland continue to get overlooked!!!

Correct. The idea of formalising a third tier with heritage teams is interesting, but for even the B-League teams to survive, they would need to stand alone for a period. A third tier would be at least 20 years away.

"B League teams in anywhere there is a A League team woulden't work. Why would you go to an inferior new franchise when you already support/can support a top division one.

Edited by mvictory: 17/1/2010 12:12:10 PM

the crowd average gave you away

i think crowds for the b league would be in the 1k-3k range since the a league isnt pulling huge crowds.

and operating costs for div 2 teams in USA are about $2M
so you wouldnt want any more than say $3M

and yeah second teams in perth and brissy are a miss for now

and since you asked

A League

1. Adelaide United
2. Brisbane Roar
3. Central Coast Mariners
4. Gold Coast United
5. Melbourne Heart
6. Melbourne Victory
7. Newcastle Jets
8. North Queensland Fury
9. Perth Glory
10. Sydney FC
11. Sydney Rovers
12. Wellington Pheonix

13. Camberra United
14. South Coast FC
15. Hobart FC
16. Auckland Attempt 2 FC (not including NSL)

B League

1. Perinth FC
2. SE Melbourne FC
3. Sunshine Coast FC
4. Geelong FC
5. Darwin FC
6. Peel Coast FC
7. Christchurch FC
8. Launceston FC

this is assumed that places like peel and darwin keep growing
could have another sydney/melb/adelaide maybe and Toowoomba/Albury

C League

basically mixture of teams from VPL and NSWPL
you can guess who they are

but aus is years and years off even getting the a league to 16 teams
i dont foresee a second div until at least 2022.....

You think Sydney Olympic should take the FFA to the anti discrinination board because they wont let them join a competetion that doesnt exist?

Maybe you should sue me for not letting you into my 9 story mansion but what has that got to do with "only in australia". Does the FA in England let teams with ethnic fans join nonexistent compeitions? If it does sorry that we discriminate more than they do.