+x+x+x+x+x+xI see this thread is going nowhere as anticipated. -PB Religious people are way too easy to bait. Just point out an inconsistency in their logic and watch them go. Religious people don't jump on bandwagons and get all flustered over mundane things like Christmas Cards or are worried about other people's beliefs like you are for religious people which you seem to think are illogical. How audacious and arrogant. Please explain to us the flaws about our logic. Religion is a bandwagon..... You indoctrinate your children to follow your way of life. They have no way of thinking their own way through spirituality. Religion is always illogical when analysed without bias. It's the nature of faith which is completely unscientific. I had numerous debates about the logic behind religion and it goes around in circles. It's easier to see religion for what it is, faith basic logic. Not to be confused with the dictionary definition of logic. When it comes to flaws, miracles are a bad start when it comes to explaining logic pillars of your faith. I say faith because faith transcends logic for most. If that's your deal embrace it. No it's not. Religion is a tradition based on historical fact. We do not indoctrinate anyone. Everyone has their free will to think about their pathway through life. Nothing was EVER rammed down my throat. And I already explained that I went through different phases in life to reach to the point of where I am now. So I know how an Atheist/Agnostic thinks. They way in which they are flawed and ignorant, and even illogical. I know all the arguments. Arguments such as Religion is there to explain the unexplainable and to get Man to pass their fear of Death. Fact is though, our God will bring Fire and Death to earth in a grand showdown with evil. Hardly of any comfort to the fearful now is it? And what is illogical is your attitude for thinking we are illogical about our spiritual beliefs. Despite the fact that you in fact must have some kind of spiritual belief in God in order to be a Free Mason. So again, please tell me why we are illogical and you not. When it comes to spiritual beliefs, there are many real life experiences and interactions with the spiritual or the unexplained metaphysical world if you seek it. I was once an Atheist, but had a very open mind, searched for the answers and found them in far away places. And I had a blast doing it too. Historical fact.... hahahahaha. Of course its indoctrination. I'd wager 99% of parents would teach their kids about their own religion before they are of an age that they can pick for themselves. Fearful of God? No I am not afraid of a sadist. Freemasonry doesn't require belief in God but belief in a higher power. I don't believe in sadists who get upset if you make graven images of them. Real life interactions never stack up. It's like saying I had a real life interaction with a unicorn in a dream so they must be real. No it's not indoctrination at all. Our religion at least, does not indoctrinate anyone. It has baptisms, but it takes a lot more than a baptism to be indoctrinated into our Church and that can only come through their FREE WILL in accordance with our teachings. Our religion does not forbid Atheism, or other teachings. In fact our traditions are steeped in pagan rituals which pre-date any Christianity. Indoctrination is what we have in the Education Systems with the curricula and the education of your children within the Primary School sector with this new era of rubbish they are pushing onto children including their sexualisation. I will leave the unicorns to you, but there is so much solid evidence of the existence of God, none more so than the fact that in 2000 years, the teachings of one JC are now followed by more than 2.2 billion people globally, not to mention the billions who adhere to the teachings of Judaism and Islam. The good news is that our religion has solid foundations, and will always exist until the end of times. Societies beliefs however, are a mere fad. It's just a fashion accessory. It changes within just a few years even.
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