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RedKat
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Had a link now lost it. The astronomically ridiculous waste of money to be confirmed tomorrow. Allianz to be knocked down and rebuilt at 45k (the same capacity) and ANZ to be rebuilt as a 75k stadium. $2 billion cost. Ridiculous stuff.
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What?????
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Political suicide The previous Baird government had a sound plan. It appears as if the NSW state government is run by the SCG Trust board.
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related article/ Nigel Gladstone, Inner West Courier Inner City A coalition of state MPs, and the Sydney Lord Mayor have called for an urgent meeting with the premier to discuss growing community alarm about plans for Moore Park. Today’s bulletin, shared with the Inner West Courier, follows an open letter sent yesterday by Saving Moore Park Inc president Michael Waterhouse on behalf of the group who represent about 3000 people. Mr Waterhouse’s letter raised several concerns about plans for Moore Park and asked why the NSW government is reported to be rebuilding Allianz Stadium at a cost of about $700 million. Today’s missive expressed “growing community alarm about the lack of public information and consultation for proposals regarding Allianz Stadium, Alexandria to Moore Park road widening, the former Showground Entertainment Quarter, Hordern Pavilion and Royal Hall of Industries, Driver Avenue and traffic and car parking”. The letter was signed by mayor Clover Moore, Sydney state MP Alex Greenwich, Heffron state MP Ron Hoenig and Newtown state MP Jenny Leong. “We are concerned that the NSW Government is holding private discussions with vested interests on a series of proposals that would further reduce and commercialise this precious public land, without consulting local communities,” the memo read.  Newtown state Greens MP Jenny Leong joined three other state MPs who represent electorates that surround Moore Park to call for an urgent meeting about plans for the precinct.“In the 200 years since Governor Lachlan Macquarie dedicated it as open space, Centennial Park and Moore Park have been reduced to a third of the original 450 hectares.” NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian said there are no plans to take any additional land away from Moore Park. “When considering our policy on stadiums we will ensure that there is no encroachment on Centennial Park and Moore Park Trust land,” Ms Berejiklian said.  Clover Moore and Sydney state independent MP Alex Greenwich. Heffron State Labor MP Ron Hoenig is concerned about plans for Moore Park.Areas of concern raised in the letter include: Allianz Stadium Reports that cabinet will consider a proposal to demolish and rebuild Allianz Stadium at a cost of about $700 million. “No business case exists to demolish and rebuild Allianz Stadium,” the letter said. “The stadium is rarely full and only averages 40 per cent capacity across the NRL, Super Rugby and A-league. “Sydney Swans oppose rebuilding it and refurbishment to improve safety would be more responsible. Alexandria to Moore Park Road Widening  Anzac Pde, Alison Rd and Dacey Ave intersection upgrade plansRoads and Maritime Services’ (RMS) ‘preliminary concept design’ for the Alexandria to Moore Park Connectivity Upgrade is likely to include compulsory property acquisitions and the loss of more than 100 trees, the letter said. “At the eastern end, on the corner of Anzac Pde and Dacey Ave, RMS plans the largest non-motorway intersection in NSW, estimated to cost $500 million,” the letter said. Former Showground Entertainment Quarter On the former Showground site next to the stadiums, a 30-year lease on the Entertainment Quarter has been bought for $80 million by Carsingha Investments. The Moore Park master plan proposes commercial elite sporting facilities, a night-time precinct, new access to the stadiums, short-term accommodation and expanded car parking. Carsingha Investments is planning redevelopment, without any public consultation or disclosure. Instead, revitalisation should focus on accessible community sport and recreation, with possible secondary cultural and creative uses. Hordern Pavilion and Royal Hall of Industries  The Big Air Wave dog jumping competition at the Sydney Dog Lovers Show at the Royal Hall of Industries and the Hordern Pavilion, Sydney. Picture: Craig Wilson.The Government is seeking tenders for the new lease of the Hordern Pavilion and Royal Hall of Industries. There is concern the tender could be awarded to an elite sporting code as a ‘centre of excellence’, primarily offices. This is not the best use of a large hall on public land. It also continues the sporting stadia’s infiltration into Moore Park, at the expense of community uses. More appropriate uses include existing live performance uses and community indoor recreation. Driver Avenue The Sydney Cricket & Sports Ground Trust have commissioned a report about safety and security risks at their venues and are lobbying the Government to close Driver Ave. The closure may have significant and ongoing impacts. Given the lack of public information, there is also concern the security proposal is not the right solution and is an attempt to implement by stealth the privatisation of Driver Ave for a commercial ‘fan zone’ and expansion of the Brewongle Stand into parkland. Traffic and Car Parking Essential traffic, transport and car parking modelling has not been undertaken and no information has been provided on how cars can be accommodated without impacts on the parkland, or how to avoid newly expanded car parks becoming commuter car parks, thereby increasing congestion.
Plans for Moore Park, Allianz stadium, Entertainment Quarter, Driver Ave | News Local
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As suggested in the article, if they were to do anything to Moore Park now it would be to improve transport links and the surrounding area. Such a waste of money to upgrade a relatively decent stadium.
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+xHad a link now lost it. The astronomically ridiculous waste of money to be confirmed tomorrow. Allianz to be knocked down and rebuilt at 45k (the same capacity) and ANZ to be rebuilt as a 75k stadium. $2 billion cost. Ridiculous stuff. If this happens Melbourne needs to step up. I can see AFL "selling out" / filling Etihad for AFLX as part of a diabolical scheme to be able to say to the Vic gov "we need money, we want to sell Etihad and build Eddie's Victoria Stadium but you have to pay for most of it. because we need a world class rectangle field for AFLX." It forces MV to Aami park, AFLX can go head to head with them on the same day next door (& MC) and they can charge the FFA to use the stadium.
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Id love to know the logic in rebuilding Allianz at the same capacity. Its get filled maybe once a year when theres a derby. Every other tenant gets nowhere near close. Yet theyve been spinning all this crap about needed world class stadiums etc. If theyre going to knock down and rebuild at least make a 30k stadium that caters to the demands of the tenants far more. That would be too logical and not cater to the nonsensical dogma
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+xId love to know the logic in rebuilding Allianz at the same capacity. Its get filled maybe once a year when theres a derby. Every other tenant gets nowhere near close. Yet theyve been spinning all this crap about needed world class stadiums etc. If theyre going to knock down and rebuild at least make a 30k stadium that caters to the demands of the tenants far more. That would be too logical and not cater to the nonsensical dogma theyre saying its a deathtrap. The capcity isnt the issue. You may die if you go to a match there.
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+xId love to know the logic in rebuilding Allianz at the same capacity. Its get filled maybe once a year when theres a derby. Every other tenant gets nowhere near close. Yet theyve been spinning all this crap about needed world class stadiums etc. If theyre going to knock down and rebuild at least make a 30k stadium that caters to the demands of the tenants far more. That would be too logical and not cater to the nonsensical dogma It's so the ARU can keep their major events east, away from the unwashed working class that they hate and the SCG Trust benefit from being able to still host these events without losing any of their pricey stadium membership seats.
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+x+xHad a link now lost it. The astronomically ridiculous waste of money to be confirmed tomorrow. Allianz to be knocked down and rebuilt at 45k (the same capacity) and ANZ to be rebuilt as a 75k stadium. $2 billion cost. Ridiculous stuff. If this happens Melbourne needs to step up. I can see AFL "selling out" / filling Etihad for AFLX as part of a diabolical scheme to be able to say to the Vic gov "we need money, we want to sell Etihad and build Eddie's Victoria Stadium but you have to pay for most of it. because we need a world class rectangle field for AFLX." It forces MV to Aami park, AFLX can go head to head with them on the same day next door (& MC) and they can charge the FFA to use the stadium. Won't happen. Itll be political suicide on dan Andrews part and most people in melbourne including the media hate the idea and the afl own etihad stadium so they won't ever think of knocking down a stadium that's only 20 somethinget years old
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aussie scott21
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+x+x+xHad a link now lost it. The astronomically ridiculous waste of money to be confirmed tomorrow. Allianz to be knocked down and rebuilt at 45k (the same capacity) and ANZ to be rebuilt as a 75k stadium. $2 billion cost. Ridiculous stuff. If this happens Melbourne needs to step up. I can see AFL "selling out" / filling Etihad for AFLX as part of a diabolical scheme to be able to say to the Vic gov "we need money, we want to sell Etihad and build Eddie's Victoria Stadium but you have to pay for most of it. because we need a world class rectangle field for AFLX." It forces MV to Aami park, AFLX can go head to head with them on the same day next door (& MC) and they can charge the FFA to use the stadium. Won't happen. Itll be political suicide on dan Andrews part and most people in melbourne including the media hate the idea and the afl own etihad stadium so they won't ever think of knocking down a stadium that's only 20 somethinget years old I think its more about the value of the land than how old the stadium is. AFL seem to be the masters of getting money. This was from today/- http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-22/woohoo-lions-one-step-closer-to-springfield
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45 000 Fiorentinas new one is 40k
  Not sure what you can get in Australia for the money promised. Also need room for the rugby in goal areas.
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While a record number of Australians are homeless and landless. No I cannot support that. Football is great, but the basics for the people in this country come first.
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+xWhile a record number of Australians are homeless and landless. No I cannot support that. Football is great, but the basics for the people in this country come first. It's a farce but the NSW government is awash with money at the moment following a massive boom in stamp duty and the sell-off of the poles and wires. And there's an election in the offing. Just this week they splurged $100 million on refunded regos for toll users in Sydney.
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+x+xWhile a record number of Australians are homeless and landless. No I cannot support that. Football is great, but the basics for the people in this country come first. It's a farce but the NSW government is awash with money at the moment following a massive boom in stamp duty and the sell-off of the poles and wires. And there's an election in the offing. Just this week they splurged $100 million on refunded regos for toll users in Sydney. its actually unbelievable. i can't remember a bigger waste of money by a government - ever. there should be riots over this.
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It's the Olympic legacy felt by all the hosts of the last generation. Sydney got it worse than most though. Not only did they build things that were only needed for a few weeks of their EUL...... they incurred the additional expense of remodeling them several times to make them useful.... then failed at that.... and now it's the wrecking ball.
Barcelona and Atlanta had a similar glut. Greece just let it all rot. And London practically gave the Olympic Stadium to West Ham with the aid of the tax payer.
These events look great but they don't pay off.
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I wonder what 2 billion will do to housing and homelessness.
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Its a drop in the ocean compared to the cost of company tax cuts and the amounts that rich people and companies avoid in offshore tax havens. The biggest farce is that neither stadium was built to an adequate and lasting standard the first time and it is because in Sydney all that matters is some pre-conceived notion of budget and getting things done right is secondary. It is the same reason the Opera House needs expensive renovations and why we don't have a world class public transport infrastructure.
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+xIts a drop in the ocean compared to the cost of company tax cuts and the amounts that rich people and companies avoid in offshore tax havens. Or in negative gearing with all those "losses" they are making on property they strangely end up owning
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Would be better off just building another 30k stadium somewhere... i love the new LA stadium. Looks like a glamour club we need more of those in the a-league.
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+xAs suggested in the article, if they were to do anything to Moore Park now it would be to improve transport links and the surrounding area. Such a waste of money to upgrade a relatively decent stadium. Well they are doing that with the SE Light Rail. But, demolishing the stadium is an awful waste of money when there are so many many pressing needs for infrastructure spending throughout Sydney. When you step back from looking at it from a football perspective its actually pretty disgusting.
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+xIts a drop in the ocean compared to the cost of company tax cuts and the amounts that rich people and companies avoid in offshore tax havens. The biggest farce is that neither stadium was built to an adequate and lasting standard the first time and it is because in Sydney all that matters is some pre-conceived notion of budget and getting things done right is secondary. It is the same reason the Opera House needs expensive renovations and why we don't have a world class public transport infrastructure. Ah...the old 'look over there' defense. Fair enough.
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+xWhile a record number of Australians are homeless and landless. No I cannot support that. Football is great, but the basics for the people in this country come first. I mostly agree here, but spending $2 Billion on Stadiums shouldn't just be thought of as money down the drain. The $2 Billion is jobs, both temporary in the construction and ongoing in the operation. Infrastructure is meant to be a long term investment that ends up paying for itself. Probably less so in this case, because they're replacing existing stadiums. People complained in SA about Adelaide Oval and the money spent on it, but a few years later Adelaide Oval has brought so much money into the SA economy that few would argue it wasn't a good investment. I like most of the plan for new Sydney stadiums, but Allianz should be rebuilt at 30k like a few have said. Much more responsible and better for the A-league. Not interested in the complaints of the locals who are worried about the 100 trees or the Sydney Swans who really just want more money going toward AFL.
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+xHad a link now lost it. The astronomically ridiculous waste of money to be confirmed tomorrow. Allianz to be knocked down and rebuilt at 45k (the same capacity) and ANZ to be rebuilt as a 75k stadium. $2 billion cost. Ridiculous stuff. What??, the Sydney Football Stadium is just under 30 years old (it opened around March 1988), and the Olympic Stadium was opened in January 1999, and the NSW Government wants to tear them down, and rebuild them? I'm from Sydney, and I have to say the NSW Government has no f_ _ _ing idea when it comes to planning/or building good infrastructure, look at Melbourne, now there's a city that gets it right when it comes to planning its stadiums and infrastructure.
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Where would they play State of origin. Whilst ANZ goes down?
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Money laundering in it's purest form.
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+xWhere would they play State of origin. Whilst ANZ goes down? SCG perhaps?
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+xWould be better off just building another 30k stadium somewhere... i love the new LA stadium. Looks like a glamour club we need more of those in the a-league. Yes and the New stadium is only going to be a capacity of 22k for LAFC (smaller than Galaxies) but appropriate for the demand considering they will have to shake off the Chivas USA 2.0 tag.
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