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A-League expansion may be officially on the way but the lobby group pushing for a national second division is intent on making sure their ambitions stay firmly on FIFA's radar. Source: AAP19 FEB 2018 - 3:50 PM UPDATED 3 HOURS AGO Hostilities will resume in Australian football's ongoing civil war this week with a series of meetings that should signify the start of the end of the sport's long-running governance deadlock.Two FIFA officials - Nodar Akhalkatsi and Luca Nicola - and the Asian Football Confederation's Ravi Kumar have jetted into Sydney for three days of talks at Football Federation Australia (FFA) headquarters.Their purpose is to help set up a 'congress review working group', which will be tasked with widening FFA's congress.The governing body's last attempt at doing so was voted down at November's annual general meeting.  FIFA slammed for delaying crisis mission to AustraliaFIFA has come under fire for prolonging the inertia gripping Australian football, after sources in Zurich revealed the delegation charged with resolving the game's governance crisis will not travel to Sydney until February at the earliest.Instead of making good on their threats to replace FFA chairman Steven Lowy and his board with a 'normalisation committee', FIFA decided to make one more visit to try and force a diplomatic solution.On Tuesday, the FIFA and AFC delegates will meet with the 'special interest groups' seeking a seat in an expanded congress.They include referees, coaches, women's football and supporters, as well as the Association of Australian Football Clubs (AAFC), which released a blueprint for a national second tier drawn from state-league clubs last year.AAFC chairman Rabieh Krayem said he spoke with FFA as recently as Wednesday about their model, dubbed The Championship, which it hopes will be up and running by October 2019 and eventually introduce a promotion and relegation system.But Krayem said he was "surprised" there was no mention of it in FFA's announcement about expansion and would make a point of keeping FIFA and AFC in the loop."There's no doubt expansion and a second division come hand in hand," Krayem told AAP."The work we're doing at the moment will ensure it stays a priority."  A-League expansion top of FFA's agenda for 2018Football Federation Australia have targeted the 2019-20 season as the start date for two new A-League clubs and will take a "fresh approach" in marketing the competition next season.FIFA and AFC will be joined by high-ranking FFA official Mark Falvo for separate meetings across Tuesday and Wednesday with the PFA, state federations, A-League clubs and FFA board, before a joint summit on Thursday.It's understood the clubs aren't happy about Falvo's presence in those meetings.FFA chief executive David Gallop warned there would almost certainly be no resolution struck this week."This visit is more about establishing a process ... to really look at what everyone recognises as the way forward, which is a bigger congress. It won't be overnight in moving to that," Gallop told 2GB Radio.
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Gyfox
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"Expansion and 2nd div come hand in hand"? Not necessarily Krayem.
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+x"Expansion and 2nd div come hand in hand"? Not necessarily Krayem. A second division, which we dont have (the NPL is just state league with new shoes and regulations) is expansion.
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Expansion and 2nd division do not go hand in hand. In fact the more they expand the less teams are available for 2nd division.
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Gyfox
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+x+x"Expansion and 2nd div come hand in hand"? Not necessarily Krayem. A second division, which we dont have (the NPL is just state league with new shoes and regulations) is expansion. Good try. Its not expansion of our top league.
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+x+x+x"Expansion and 2nd div come hand in hand"? Not necessarily Krayem. A second division, which we dont have (the NPL is just state league with new shoes and regulations) is expansion. Good try. Its not expansion of our top league. Implying that's the only important tier.
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+x+x+x+x"Expansion and 2nd div come hand in hand"? Not necessarily Krayem. A second division, which we dont have (the NPL is just state league with new shoes and regulations) is expansion. Good try. Its not expansion of our top league. Implying that's the only important tier. Not at all. All tiers in the structure of football in Australia are important and in my view many need work. Currently one of them is proposed to be expanded, another is proposed to commence. One doesn't rely on the other and they can happen at separate times in any order or at the same time. The way it is prioritised is up to the FFA.
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+x+x+x"Expansion and 2nd div come hand in hand"? Not necessarily Krayem. A second division, which we dont have (the NPL is just state league with new shoes and regulations) is expansion. Good try. Its not expansion of our top league. Its not a 2nd Division without P&R.
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We require a second division so our Youth have a pathway. Any one against this proposal is against the aspiration of Australian Youth.
It's as simple as that.
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+xWe require a second division so our Youth have a pathway. Any one against this proposal is against the aspiration of Australian Youth. It's as simple as that. I think regardless of where you stand on expansion, P/R and the way forward, you would have to agree that for all its faults the NSL provided a better development pathway than what we currently have. Perhaps the initial success of the A League has caused us the problem we have now of continually recycling the same players and looking overseas instead of our own backyard. I've just had the thought that a 2nd tier, even without P/R, would hopefully motivate players to be at their best regardless of where their team sits on the table. With a 2nd division of hungry aspiring players on your heals every A League player should feel unease - especially if their team is not doing well...
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I reckon the main reason why the FFA are cold on a pro 2nd div is it kinda steps on "their" plans for HAL expansion. So, hypothetically if a pro 2nd div was announced for next year, you can almost guarantee a club like the Wolves would certainly be part of it. The FFA would see that as a potential conflict to their clearly favored Southern Sydney expansion proposal. They would be concerned that Wollongong people would not support a 'Southern Sydney' club if Wollongong has a club in a pro 2nd div. That is just one example, of which there would be plenty of other examples all around the country. It all stems from the seriously flawed HAL model, which was setup without an eye to the future to things like a pro 2nd div or P&R. The need for and independently HAL has never been more important.
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+xI reckon the main reason why the FFA are cold on a pro 2nd div is it kinda steps on "their" plans for HAL expansion. So, hypothetically if a pro 2nd div was announced for next year, you can almost guarantee a club like the Wolves would certainly be part of it. The FFA would see that as a potential conflict to their clearly favored Southern Sydney expansion proposal. They would be concerned that Wollongong people would not support a 'Southern Sydney' club if Wollongong has a club in a pro 2nd div. That is just one example, of which there would be plenty of other examples all around the country. It all stems from the seriously flawed HAL model, which was setup without an eye to the future to things like a pro 2nd div or P&R. The need for and interdependently HAL has never been more important. Take baby steps. Keep it semi-pro as the state NPLs are ATM. In the 2nd Div throw a little bit more money at the clubs over the travel costs and let them afford a few extra and better players. I don't believe the 2nd Div should be contrived like the plastic HAL but left to how good clubs from the state NPLs are. Let it start with the best club from each state and then let promotion from the lower NPLs clear out the dead wood. So be it it it ends up with a club with real history like Wollongong and some plastic South Sydney club in on division above the other. Imagine the derbies if they ever play in the same league or the FFA cup. That's what P&R does, it spices up things.
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The second division is vital to start closing the gap between the A-league and NPL. Right now the step up is too large which is partly why we don't see many players go from NPL to A-league successfully.
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+xThe second division is vital to start closing the gap between the A-league and NPL. Right now the step up is too large which is partly why we don't see many players go from NPL to A-league successfully. The ideal would be if not only the 2nd division closed the gap to the a league but if our top division was boosted enough so that standouts can go straight into the starting eleven at big 5 clubs
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If FFA had any brains,they would set up a second division and promise promotion to the top finishing team for something like four years.
That would create interest in both the second divsion and HAL and stop this free ride into the top division as long as you have cash and fish to grease up FFA.
Anyway we know that wont happen and dysfunctionality will reign supreme .Because we are different.
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+x+x+x+x"Expansion and 2nd div come hand in hand"? Not necessarily Krayem. A second division, which we dont have (the NPL is just state league with new shoes and regulations) is expansion. Good try. Its not expansion of our top league. Its not a 2nd Division without P&R. Correct.
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+xWe require a second division so our Youth have a pathway. Any one against this proposal is against the aspiration of Australian Youth. It's as simple as that. One other Critical item The FFA would still be responsible for the Governance of Youth Development as per Crawford report.
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+x+xWe require a second division so our Youth have a pathway. Any one against this proposal is against the aspiration of Australian Youth. It's as simple as that. One other Critical item The FFA would still be responsible for the Governance of Youth Development as per Crawford report. which parts of the Crawford report are the FFA obliged to follow ?
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+x+xWe require a second division so our Youth have a pathway. Any one against this proposal is against the aspiration of Australian Youth. It's as simple as that. I think regardless of where you stand on expansion, P/R and the way forward, you would have to agree that for all its faults the NSL provided a better development pathway than what we currently have.
Perhaps the initial success of the A League has caused us the problem we have now of continually recycling the same players and looking overseas instead of our own backyard. I've just had the thought that a 2nd tier, even without P/R, would hopefully motivate players to be at their best regardless of where their team sits on the table. With a 2nd division of hungry aspiring players on your heals every A League player should feel unease - especially if their team is not doing well... We really should have a real good look at this assumption one of these days. I am not convinced that this was actually the case.
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Need to find a way to fund a 2nd div outside of the ffa otherwise it will never happen. Im not convinced that throwing together semi pro teams will open the money tree enough for it to eventually progress to a fully pro league. This must be its goal for the skill and youth development in this country. The corporate dollar really isnt that interested in football, tv isnt going to pay jack look what happened with the a league and the ffa doesnt want a league of angry npl and regions competing with their fully controlled a league; a 2nd div would be demanding pro rel, have all sorts of uncontrolled opinions about the game, teams might collapse -sure happened in AL as well- etc etc
Dont get me wrong, i see the 2nd div as the best chance for a pro canberra team but am not feeling too optimistic about it right now
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+xNeed to find a way to fund a 2nd div outside of the ffa otherwise it will never happen. Im not convinced that throwing together semi pro teams will open the money tree enough for it to eventually progress to a fully pro league. This must be its goal for the skill and youth development in this country. The corporate dollar really isnt that interested in football, tv isnt going to pay jack look what happened with the a league and the ffa doesnt want a league of angry npl and regions competing with their fully controlled a league; a 2nd div would be demanding pro rel, have all sorts of uncontrolled opinions about the game, teams might collapse -sure happened in AL as well- etc etc Dont get me wrong, i see the 2nd div as the best chance for a pro canberra team but am not feeling too optimistic about it right now From the outset this has been club funded so I see no other reason to promote this myth that it isn't as anything other than agenda driven
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+x+x+xWe require a second division so our Youth have a pathway. Any one against this proposal is against the aspiration of Australian Youth. It's as simple as that. I think regardless of where you stand on expansion, P/R and the way forward, you would have to agree that for all its faults the NSL provided a better development pathway than what we currently have.
Perhaps the initial success of the A League has caused us the problem we have now of continually recycling the same players and looking overseas instead of our own backyard. I've just had the thought that a 2nd tier, even without P/R, would hopefully motivate players to be at their best regardless of where their team sits on the table. With a 2nd division of hungry aspiring players on your heals every A League player should feel unease - especially if their team is not doing well... We really should have a real good look at this assumption one of these days. I am not convinced that this was actually the case. What makes you say that? You only have to look at the amount of players that went from juniors to seniors at the same club. We will never have anything as organic as that again.
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+x+x+x+xWe require a second division so our Youth have a pathway. Any one against this proposal is against the aspiration of Australian Youth. It's as simple as that. I think regardless of where you stand on expansion, P/R and the way forward, you would have to agree that for all its faults the NSL provided a better development pathway than what we currently have.
Perhaps the initial success of the A League has caused us the problem we have now of continually recycling the same players and looking overseas instead of our own backyard. I've just had the thought that a 2nd tier, even without P/R, would hopefully motivate players to be at their best regardless of where their team sits on the table. With a 2nd division of hungry aspiring players on your heals every A League player should feel unease - especially if their team is not doing well... We really should have a real good look at this assumption one of these days. I am not convinced that this was actually the case. What makes you say that? You only have to look at the amount of players that went from juniors to seniors at the same club. We will never have anything as organic as that again. You serious Angus, spot on sthmelb. Right now we have 2 forces going opposite directions and the Youth in lalaland what other case do you need to look at.
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Yes but these semi pro clubs cant afford to go fully pro right now. If they could they would be fully pro. Some are in better places than others. Having a fully pro 2nd div is the goal for youth and football development, otherwise just watch npl finals. I cant see enough money coming in for a new 2nd div in the short or mid term in corporate sponsorships, tv deals, etc etc to allow them to become fully pro teams. Ffa will just try and trash any 2nd div and should not be trusted, even if they offer money for a 2nd div theyd probably try and use said leverage to trash it. Transfer fees and pro rel would help but again ffa will fight that. No agenda here just feeling the other side hold all of the cards and ill have to wait until hell freezes over to see a pro canberra team
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+x+x+xWe require a second division so our Youth have a pathway. Any one against this proposal is against the aspiration of Australian Youth. It's as simple as that. I think regardless of where you stand on expansion, P/R and the way forward, you would have to agree that for all its faults the NSL provided a better development pathway than what we currently have.
Perhaps the initial success of the A League has caused us the problem we have now of continually recycling the same players and looking overseas instead of our own backyard. I've just had the thought that a 2nd tier, even without P/R, would hopefully motivate players to be at their best regardless of where their team sits on the table. With a 2nd division of hungry aspiring players on your heals every A League player should feel unease - especially if their team is not doing well... We really should have a real good look at this assumption one of these days. I am not convinced that this was actually the case. Out of the Golden Generation that appeared in the 2006 squad, every player went through an NSL club from there youth, there was no external players that did not go through the local pathways unlike the current team.
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+x+x+x+x+xWe require a second division so our Youth have a pathway. Any one against this proposal is against the aspiration of Australian Youth. It's as simple as that. I think regardless of where you stand on expansion, P/R and the way forward, you would have to agree that for all its faults the NSL provided a better development pathway than what we currently have.
Perhaps the initial success of the A League has caused us the problem we have now of continually recycling the same players and looking overseas instead of our own backyard. I've just had the thought that a 2nd tier, even without P/R, would hopefully motivate players to be at their best regardless of where their team sits on the table. With a 2nd division of hungry aspiring players on your heals every A League player should feel unease - especially if their team is not doing well... We really should have a real good look at this assumption one of these days. I am not convinced that this was actually the case. What makes you say that? You only have to look at the amount of players that went from juniors to seniors at the same club. We will never have anything as organic as that again. You serious Angus, spot on sthmelb. Right now we have 2 forces going opposite directions and the Youth in lalaland what other case do you need to look at. The fact that some don't see youth development as a priority in all of this especially the FFA and the a-league clubs has got me worried as to how the whole new structure will be set up. How many in the negotiating table are prioritising youth development in there proposed models to the FIFA/AFC? I haven't heard one peep so far...
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+xYes but these semi pro clubs cant afford to go fully pro right now. If they could they would be fully pro. Except that right now there is no incentive for those clubs to be fully professional in the State-based NPL setup. To say that if they could be professional they would be is not right at all. Even without any defined criteria from the FFA we have a number of existing clubs who have indicated an interest in the next A-League licenses (South Melbourne, Brisbane City, Adelaide City, Wollongong Wolves). If nothing else that should tell you that they have both the ambition and ability to become professional in the right environment.
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+x+x+x+xWe require a second division so our Youth have a pathway. Any one against this proposal is against the aspiration of Australian Youth. It's as simple as that. I think regardless of where you stand on expansion, P/R and the way forward, you would have to agree that for all its faults the NSL provided a better development pathway than what we currently have.
Perhaps the initial success of the A League has caused us the problem we have now of continually recycling the same players and looking overseas instead of our own backyard. I've just had the thought that a 2nd tier, even without P/R, would hopefully motivate players to be at their best regardless of where their team sits on the table. With a 2nd division of hungry aspiring players on your heals every A League player should feel unease - especially if their team is not doing well... We really should have a real good look at this assumption one of these days. I am not convinced that this was actually the case. Out of the Golden Generation that appeared in the 2006 squad, every player went through an NSL club from there youth, there was no external players that did not go through the local pathways unlike the current team. And that is a good thing? I would argue that having multiple pathways is a definite improvement.
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+x"Expansion and 2nd div come hand in hand"? Not necessarily Krayem. They do actually I think we can accept the fact that a stand alone model with 16 equally balanced franchises is unviable and is little more than a dream So we either manage an unbalanced tier with or without a second division. The latter is in danger of becoming stale
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