I'm going to bump this, as the content is needed for the Australian Section.

Looked at the second video.

As a corollary to another thread, Barca played one straight pass acorss the back four from the number 3 to the number 4. The rest were all angled.

These are excellent videos, Possession Football.=d>

It would be great to have more posted.

Dean May, Australian under 20 assistant coach and Tassie NTC coach, and Ange Postecoglou , try to get their players not to make any straight or square passes.

Johan Cruyff was also fanatical about discouraging the square pass too. Even with a slight angle going forwards or playing across the pitch, is better than that square or straight ball, according to the pre-eminent coaches listed above.

ATM I'm following their lead.

Yes that was Valencia, not sure why they kicked long, but at least the Barcelona players dealt with it. I have no issues with straight passes on the ground, it can move you up the park quickly and take the predictability out of the build up. Its how the player receives and how the pass is supported.
Side ways passes also ok if it is to search for a better forward pass rather than forcing a ball.
Every pass must have a reaction of support by all linkages

Great link, Possession Football.

In the first video, I was interested that the keeper was punting the ball out, not rolling or throwing it.

The FFA goalkeeping instructor in this state, suggests to coaches that they have the keeper always roll it, or throw the ball, to develop playing out from the back.

Another interesting phenomenon was that players were playing angled balls, not straight and square ones.



Edited by Decentric: 15/3/2013 04:37:05 AM

Must admit that I've taken the third stage of the KNVB four stage training ground pro forma, 7v7, or 3v7, 4v7, 5v7 , 6v7, building up until the focus team becomes more competent, to make 7v7, to most Game Training sessions ( 3rd stage) in the FFA NC.

I like the defence and midfield playing the midfield and attack plus keepers. It seems to work really well for positional play. I feel the FFA NC is a lot weaker in this phase and more nebulous.

What the FFA NC is so good for , are all those player actions and coaching cues in this stage of training . I tend to to do the KNVB 7v7 with the FFA NC player actions and coaching cues, which I desperately need to improve in using.

Mate check your PM.

There may be a paid job in football you are interested in.

Hope it is not too late.

i was on the KNVB course

I have created to videos below that show why the Dutch and Spanish use 7v7 training and why i beleive it show be a main focus in every training session from 9s to 18s.

http://thedutchfootballer.wordpress.com/7v7-training-games/

Interesting comments decentric.

U know I was in the USA for a few years and the mos started getting better when klinnsman took over the national coaching role. Don't know if it was coincidence or if he was involved in the clubs but all within a year clubs started to become structured and compact playing a very similar style to the national team

It was amusing to watch at first. Teams were sticking to their structure and organization so much I saw players not fetch a ball that was uncontested because presumably they were reluctant to leave the place they were supposed to be by even a few metres

Any how the mls underwent a revolution every bit as significant as the a league's short passing possession based revolution. It's my hope that wsw will inspire a second a league revolution every bit as significant as the first

I'm not really sure why there are such large spaces between the lines, certainly in the past. Verbeek said he was reluctant to play A League players because of this phenomenon.

Often as games go on and teams tire, the distances increase between the lines. Some teams are reluctant to play a high lone with slower players over the turf.


Good point about the Wanderers. The hold very good shape. Their distancing is often good, with a compact shape. They are very good when the other team has the ball. The best we have seen in the A League to date.

thanks for your reply however I was more curious as to the above issues as opposed to what a full press is.

You answer this in part I think when you say that A league clubs use a full press with large spaces between the lines

is there a reason for this or is it just we are still learning the game here and flaws like that persist?

Would WSW be an exception to this? they seem very compact

I forgot about the question. Sorry.#-o

Here goes, even our FFA instructors were unaware of these, but the KNVB instructed it in the Youth Certificate.



Full Press.

This is when a team presses high up the park like Barcelona. The attacking line aggressively tries to win the ball deep in the opponent's half. Also, most A League teams do it too, but don't often push their defensive line as high.

Hence, the distance between the defensive line and the attacking line often has a fair amount of space between them. Barcelona often plays a higher line, so their is less distance between their lines when applying a full press.

Squeezing, as I understand it, is like squeezing an orange. Intense squeezing is applying great pressure within the type of press.

I might have misled, but teams in the HAL often play full pressing, with greater distances between the lines. This enables players to have time and space on the ball.




Half Press

This is where a team is content for the opposition to have the ball in their half. Often the formation used for this is a 1-4-2-3-1 or 1-4-5-1.

The 1 often operaes just inside the opponent's half, but the rest of teh team stay compact only trying to actively disturb the build up as soon as the ball crosses the half way line. Then the team tries to win the ball.

Adelaide United in particular deployed this under Aurelio Vidmar in their successful ACL campaign, when they reached the final. This is described as a comapct defence. When they were first in Asia, Australia had great difficulty penetrating the opposition team's tight defences. They didn't often encounter it in the A League, and probabaly not a lot in the UK either.

Also, Australia used Cahill and Kennedy a lot, under Verbeek, who are mediocre combination players or structured possession players in the attacking third.

Allsop and Archie were used to having more space in attack in the A League when they played for Australia too.






Partial or Fake Press

This is sitting like a half press, but the team rests. Often only one player applies pressure to the opposition ball carrier, whilst others remain compact, not proactively looking to intercept that next pass fom the opposition.




We now have a number of higher qualified advanced coaches on here. It would be interesting to hear their take on this.

sorry about the trolls

any progress?

Aren't I him according to your [ahem] IP address tracking systems?

If I'm a troll, ignore me and answer the man's question without spending a day on Google or looking it up in the Junior Color Encyclopedia of Space.

Troll.

He doesn't need any help to be his inimitable self. To be so narcissistic for him to claim that others post as him is just attention seeking.](*,)

Anarchy Forum is that away>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

Are you busy logged in as Chips Rafferty on The Roar forum again?

Great question, but it will take some time to answer it!

you mentioned that australians don't often use a full press and can't do it well. Any ideas why that might be?

Also why do we seem to struggle against teams that are super compact and have very little space between their lines?

1. Reinforce individual problem identified in a match and work on corrective technical exercises to overcome weakness.
2. 4v4
3. 7v7.
4. 11v11


http://www.bettersoccermorefun.com/dwtext/knvbgmes.htm


Essentially, these basic games are advocated in Stage 2 of the KNVB model 4v4 or 5v5 with keepers.

The rondos, 3v1, 4v2 and the 5v2 or 5v3, are incorporated in the KNVB Stage 1 technique session.


[i]Edited by Decentric: 19/2/2013 12:22:33 AM

1. Reinforce individual problem identified in a match and work on corrective technical exercises to overcome weakness.
2. 4v4
3. 7v7.
4. 11v11

This is the four stage KNVB training model.

The essence is that the quality of the SSGs in 4v4 and the 7v7, which usually incorporates the defenive and midfield line and tth attack and midfield line, playing each other, will ultimately improve players.

The KNVB emphasise that the game will be the teacher.

Conversely, the FFA NC, through the Clairefontaine influence, has a lot more detail in these four stages of training. This is particularly the case in Game Training, the third stage of the four stage model.

The four stages of a module based on the issues identified in The Match, as the starting point for all training ground practice, is what the FFA C Licence goes into in great detail. Apart from Stage 2, which is quite different in KNVB, I think stage 3 of the FFA NC is better in the Game Training, if, usually incorporated in the 7v7 structure.

I've done this with senior state league club and they were blown out by it and how useful the 7v7 was from the KNVB, and, using the C Licence interventions in player actions and cues ( which I still confuse).

Thanks to Gregory Parker, if you are reading this. Your training ground module for playing through the midfield was essentially what I used for the C Licence practical assessment.:)

A big part at the start of the KNVB course was setting out which ages play which formations and what training ground practice they should use.

I think there is little variation on the FFA NC Building Blocks.


What the Dutch hammered, that the FFA NC hasn't, is that a player must have technique, or no matter how much training a player has, they can't play. Technique is paramount, but needs to be evaluated in game context, not isolated technique for the KNVB.

A difference with FFA NC, is the KNVB push Technique in TIC (Technique, Insight and Communication), as being at top, or equal top weighting throughout a player's career. At times in the FFA NC, Insight is given a higher weighting.

Apart from Norm Boardman, and very fleetingly by our local SAP instructor, there has been no reference to a prescriptive minimum number of touches in the FFA NC. The KNVB advocate at least 600 touches per session.






Edited by Decentric: 19/2/2013 12:14:44 AM

This is probably the best I can do for the gent concerned.

Since I can't send you the course book, this thread has some of the info.

It seems KNVB won't be run again in Australia. I've approached state FFA to do it, as there are some excellent organisers in the branch. However, they think they are busy enough with the FFA NC courses.

I feel that the FFA C Licence, the two day FFA SAP course and the FFA Regional state conference were all very good, but, in the context of having the KNVB Youth Certificate as a background foundation of knowledge. I think it may be a better general knowledge base than anything we have in the NC, for the time spent studying it, 8 days I think. I don't think most other coaches , apart form the C Licence, thought the courses were as good as I did, without the KNVB knowledge base.

The KNVB, although strongly advocating the 1-4-3-3 with defensive midfield triangle, still showed how to kinaesthetically instruct it in a roughly 2 or 3 metre square, using cones or bibs.

I think this was a massive improvement over anything in the FFA NC. It helped coaches absorb the differences in changing to the variations of the 1-4-3-3 formation. This practice can also be extrapolated to other formations. For those reading this who've done the FFA C lIcence, this KNVB practice was the ultimate starting point for the C Licence, 'Words and Pictures, in Game Training'.

A journo mate of mine noticed a Korean team doing it when visiting Tasmania. They've adopted some KNVB practices.

Edited by Decentric: 18/2/2013 11:56:05 PM

I'm putting this back up as topical as someone was referring to variations of 1-4-3-3.

I'm just going to add that there is almost an inextricable link between the KNVB and Ajax Amsterdam Academy and their youth development programme. KNVB instructors always talk about Ajax having exemplary practice.

Now there are training drills from Ajax in the Academy sessions that is a sticky.

I might add some observations to the Ajax Academy sessions, when I've tried these on the training ground.

I'll do it in the Academy Sessions section at the top of the page in the sticky.

Recently I've done two more FFA courses with a couple of state based coaches.

Last year I did two seminars with senior FFA coaches, Norm Boardman and Tony Franken.

I've recently contacted another participant of the KNVB Youth Training Certificate. He is a staff coach at another FFA state branch. I've asked him to compare what we did in the KNVB YOuth Certificate to the content that he did in his other Advanced Licences since.

He said the KNVB was current FFA B Licence and C Licence content. I had no idea where it fitted into the scheme of things.

After going over FFA coaching sessions with FFA Senior Licence graduates and Youth Licence graduates from my club, highly intelligent people appear to have learnt little about most of the KNVB stuff I've posted in this thread from their FFA courses. They are now putting the KNVB methodology into practice on the training ground.

I'm not anti-FFA. I've recently done a FFA Grass Roots Certificate, as I'm working in schools with beginning players for the first time in a long time. Grass Roots was very useful.






Edited by Decentric: 1/5/2012 12:02:56 AM

Wow... groundbreaking stuff there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TemczLwUM48

I rest my case.

:lol:

What's the KNVB approach to passing over longer distances?

The 4-3-3 midfield triangle with two screeners and one attacking midfielder.


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Just lately I've seen a lot of this.

The attacking midfielder, or shadow striker, moves up alongside the central striker to make this a 1-4-4-2.


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One needs to do a fair amount of work with the back four and midfield trio playing against the attacking trio and three other midfielders and a defender behind in 7v7 (or 8v8 with keepers) to make it effective.

Often teams are pulled out of shape, particularly when losing.

Coaches have found the 1-4-4-2 diamond midfield shape difficult for a 1-4-3-3. The 1-4-3-3 with the 3:1 defensive line works well against it. Van t' Schip has done this in the A League.

A lot of Dutch trained coaches like the 1-4-4-2 diamond shaped midfield. It is a question of changing the attacking three players.