You are 100% right

I pity the kids who are coached by such fools, clearly they do not understand the concept of football and youth development.
I console my self with the knowledge that at least the kids i coach will understand and appreciate the game and that those coaches and unfortunately the players will fall away from the game over time,and trust me they will.
If a goal is scored against my team i see it as an opportunity to practice kick offs.

Of course mate, I agree with you, it is the spirit of the game that is important.

Previously we've talked about kids playing it out backwards under instructions from coaches as there are no corners which to me is not in the spirit of the game as another example.

In the 3 or 4 years since SSG has rolled out I think I've asked maybe 2 coaches if they could move their player away from the goal so the other kids get a chance to score.

No one is fanatical, no one is screaming.

IMO the rules are not important it is the spirit in which the game is coached and the style of play that matter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlm9MRVER3E



Edited by krones3: 17/11/2011 06:23:52 PM

It does detract from the kids enjoyment if they are unable to score goals because the opposition are blocking them with a goalie. In my experience it has only been the ultra competitive coaches that do this because results in 5 year old soccer games are important to them. Its against the rules so well done Mun on your stance. I'll be coaching my 7 year old next year and I'll make sure I have a set of rules handy every match day.

And in your mind they can only do this with your sideline meddling?

Grow up.

Just rememeber your place in all this. It's the kid's independent leisure activity i.e. not a place for you to exercise your ego or short comings.

The only thing important to me is that the kids have a good time and enjoy themselves. Sometimes (rarely) that may necessitate a quiet word with someone as in the above example. Nothing more, nothing less.

There's no fine line you've crossed. It's a big huge black one that says internet trolls, wankers and various other reprobates over on this side. You've clearly crossed it.

You possess all the hallmarks of a narcissistic internet fuckstick with nothing positive to say on any subject ever. Congratulations on being an A-grade tool.

At the end of the day, besides in your feeble internet trolling mind, there is no prize for such behaviour.

Clearly the result of little kiddie games is important to you.

There's often a very very fine line between enthusiasm and fanaticism.

You've clearly crossed it.

Suggest you take a deep breath, a peer in the bathroom mirror and fess up to reality.

You possess all the hallmarks of a sideline stalking asshole.

At the end of the day there is no prize for such behavior.

No one is arguing peanut. No one is being fanatical.

The idea of having a set of rules to hand is that if there is a difference of opinion (not an argument) on the rules then the rules can be referred to, agreed on and then everyone is on the same page.

No one is being fanatical but it is clearly there in the "rules" that players should be discouraged from overly guarding the goals. This has been put in there specifically for the enjoyment and development of both teams playing football.

If little Johnny is sitting on the goals and moving no more than 2 metres left or right all game then he is spoiling the game for the other participants and a quiet word to the coach to encourage his player to move away from the goals is generally all that is required. (Note: quiet word - not a screaming match. You know something like "umm can you please ask your player to not sit on the goals all game because he's not really supposed to." I hardly call that inflammatory.)

Should a difference of opinion such as "he's allowed to stand there" arises then, having the rules handy, you can point out that "actually, according to the rules he can't."

I would replace fanatical with enthusiastic about the other 7 kids playing getting a proper football game rather than say I'm fanatical because I want a kid to move away from the goal.

But it doesn't matter what I say because you'll disagree anyway.

I'm not sure why you even frequent these forums unless it's only to shit stir. You're obviously a footballing guru who is too good for us.

Arguments?

What brain dead moronic parent would EVER feel the need to engage in a sideline argument of any sort re kids sport?

Fanatical parents come in all shapes, sizes and disguises.

double post.

Edited by munrubenmuz: 11/11/2011 02:28:30 PM

Against my better judgement I'll reply to you.

Not sure if you're having a crack at me here or the coaches we've asked to encourage their kids to move away.

No one is fanatical about it.

Part of the fun for the littlies is the scoring goals part of it. These goals are only 1500mm wide so if some kid stands there all game and doesn't let any goals in it's not much fun for them is it? They are supposed to be having fun.

Also having the rules handy ensure there's no arguments because it's there in black and white. All of our club coaches and managers have a copy of the rules for their age groups.

Fanatical parent alert.

FFS. :lol:

The only dramas we've ever had is when a child stands right smack in front of the goals which at our club are the small pop-up arched ones. Any kid that's stands in front of that pretty much guarantees no goals will be scored but in the "rules" it does actually say "No Goalkeeper: The game leader, coaches and managers should continually discourage children from permanently standing in front of the goal" so you're within your rights to tell the referee to ask then to move.

It's something I've mentioned a few times to different refs and coaches. Usually they're pretty good about it. (Helps to have a copy of the rules handy.)





Edited by munrubenmuz: 10/11/2011 07:18:16 PM

I do i never worry about it from my players perspective, only for the players being coached by such morons.
Some even scream out to "put it out".:oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

Well that's not really in the spirit of the SSG is it? I must say one of my boys played under 6 last year and under 7 this year and that situation didn't really come up. Although nothing surprises me.

It just goes to show what total wankers some of these parents/coaches can be if they're encouraging this sort of behaviour at an under 6 level.

I'd approach the opposition coach and the referee and say look any accidental ball going over the back line then fair enough but a deliberate running of it out should be discouraged and we should play corners.

If that doesn't work console yourself with the fact that by under 8's that sort of play results in a corner. Any kid learning this sort of thing will be at a disadvantage when they start playing corners.

Thanks for all the feed back
sorry i meant under 6-u7
I coach a number of team in a number of age groups my u8' were playing U7s last year.
here is the rule that needs changing

Ball crossing the goal line
There is no corner kick. Regardless of which team touched the ball last, a player from the team whose goal line the ball
has crossed will place the ball anywhere along the goal line and pass or dribble the ball into play. Opponents must retreat
to the half way line and can move once the ball is in play. The ball must touch a team mate before a goal can be scored.

As I said before if you download the rules in the under 8's and 9's that is a corner.

Rules are here. http://www.smallsidedfootball.com.au/pdfs/2011/ossf_football_laws.pdf

You need to speak to your referees. We've been playing corners in the 8's and 9's for 2 years now.

I'm curious. How does one run game situation sessions for his park team of, say, 12 players, in what is usually conducted in a limited space, that can be anything OTHER than a SSG?

Please don't tell me they play 6 v 6 on full fields in Tassie. :d

It is a dire situation. Adults who should know better are trying to impose an adult game on young children when they are not cognitively ready for it.

It just makes me more determined to keep FFE operating with SSGs having a maximum of 5 v5 (with keepers) or 4v4 (without keepers) in small grids. Some youth players did little SSG work at their clubs. FFE co-coach C informed the state FFA TD he needed to look at coaches' practices after leaving coaching courses to observe sessions when training sessions are devoid of SSGs .

I just checked the FNSW website to see if there was an update for 2012. There isn't and disappointingly the 2011 figures have been altered downwards for many local FNSW associations.

Total compliance with FFA SSG guidelines is unlikely for many years in FNSW, unless several local associations have a a very big change of heart.

One local association reportedly has ssgs for u6 only and 3 associations have only adopted it up to u 8s. Another nine have adopted it to u9s. If the website is now accurate this is a pretty pathetic effort by 13 of the 31 local associations.

It is a bit colder again down here.

Sad to hear under 6s and under 10s playing 11 v11.

Hi decentric
I have relocated (temporarily to victoria) bloody cold.
I have watched some U10’s & U6’s, I did not realize that everyone does not have to play small sided.
These kids played 11v11 with goalkeepers wearing head gear and players wearing mouth guards.
Yep just as I remembered it goalkeepers and defenders standing around kicking dirt.
:oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

Clubs on NSW Far North Coast to SSG up to U11.
FFNC has always been one of the more up-to-date governing bodies.
Per capita I think we have one of the highest number of clubs in the country.

We need a rule change to the small sided games.
When a team kicks the ball over their own back line they gain procession of the ball and the opposite team must return to the halfway line.
Unscrupulous coaches are training the kids to do this to gain possession.:oops:

In my opinion it is not in the interest of the kids or the game to have this continue the game should introduce corners to prevent this loop hole from being exploited.

man utd like to play 4 v4 at u9/10 academy games, however a number of other clubs still prefer not to when asked.

The year before I coached a rep under 12 side it was supposed to be the last time they were playing 11 v 11.

The under 11s were playing 9 v 9 in the same year.

Some people like Rob Baan, would prefer to see 4 v 4 or 5v 5 with keepers played right up to 13 years of age. THis is what happens in Brazil through futsal.

I like the model.

We are on the central coast and my eldest is the last to go through under the old system. He plays under 10's and they are on the full size pitch. Its actually not as bad as I thought it would be but I would still like to see them on a smaller pitch with less players on the field.

The FFA proposed that by 2010 its SSG rollout would comprise all age groups up to and including u11s. http://www.smallsidedfootball.com.au/pdfs/2010_OSSF_Formats_2.9.09.pdf

I can't find any information which explains how successful the rollout has been nationwide.

The implementation of SSGs hasn't occurred uniformly across FNSW's 31 associations but we are now well on our way. According to the FNSW website: 6 associations have SSGs up to u11, 23 have SSGs up to u10 and 2 have SSGs up to 'u9/10'. http://footballnsw.com.au/index.php?id=191

The 23 FNSW associations, with SSGs up to u10s, can become FFA SSG compliant next year just by keeping the same players (born in 2001) on half pitches in 2012. So it seems likely that all bar two FNSW associations will be compliant for next season.

Do you know if there's a document with up to date information about the national rollout or, if not, what is the situation in your state/territory?