One of the cornerstones of the national curriculum is to have defenders confident on the ball.
At what age should playing out from the back be encouraged ?

Quite simply all ages.

Most first time players just kick and rush forward by encouraging them to play it out they have to think about there passing not just hope. This is a habit that needs to be introduced as early as possible.

for all abilitities and ages ?

No.

Ball turnover is massive at amateur park fooball (poor technique and playing on cow paddocks) - much eaiser to teach and learn in a winning environment.



Edited by judy free: 4/6/2011 09:08:51 PM

At U8's
that is when goal keepers are used.


Edited by krones3: 5/6/2011 01:03:18 PM

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Ball turnover is massive at amateur park fooball (poor technique and playing on cow paddocks) - much eaiser to teach and learn in a winning environment.


We teach them to win before they can play....." Ted Bates ex-Southampton Manager
“In England, you teach your kids how to win. In Portugal and Spain they teach their kids how to play” Jose Mourinho

Do you honestly see it being carried out, the ssf in AUS is even slanted with the 5 metre rule but it is still the big kick 2nd ball game they are learning.

i have been doing it for the last 3 years no probs.

Inciteful.

You can do both, you know.

Yes but it is harder to teach them how to play if all you concentrate on to start with is how to 'win'.

You are spoiled mate because you worked in the elite pathways, you got the kids who managed to play well despite the way they were being taught. The way forward is to not have to rely on kids being successful inspite of their developmental environment but because of their developmental environment.

I know you are dismissive of 'park footballers' but how many park footballers have we managed to produce compared to professionals? More than we should is the reality of the situation.

Successful individual player development leads to the development of a successful team. Progress of individual player development regresses if the team is battling weekly hammerings, regardless of the level of quality. Ever noticed how many kids you get at training (on cold wet wintery mid July nights) after a string of wins, compared to a string of losses?



I am not dismissive of 'park footballers'. FFS, I am one of 'em. However, I am dismissive of would-be coaches who believe every kid playing sockah has some inner burning desire to be 'developed' and take his game to the next level. Majority of kids play exclusively for fun and friendships - similar to blokes playing seniors (AA's and O35s). None of us however should be subjected to some over-bearing numpty coach doing poor imitations of Guardiola or Ferguson. Kids with genuine talent, ambition and supportive parents will have every opportunity (pathways) to take their game to the max. As for the others, FFS just let them enjoy football for what is.

Mate I really appreciate the passion in your reply, I understand where you are coming from with regard to the passion to succeed but what I sometimes feel you miss is that some kids have that passion but don't get the training needed to foster it. You can have a burning desire to make it but if your development is stunted through poor teaching (which you will agree there is a lot of) then you will not get into those elite pathways to have the chance to become more than a good park footballer. That is the tragedy of development in Australia and though there are some mis directed ideals from the dreamers within the game, overall their push towards an improved level of education through all teirs of coaching should not be completely dismissed.

Would it not be better as an elite pathway coach to have improved raw material available to you? Wouldn't it be nicer to have to be forced to make real choices when it comes to who to select for the places available within your squad?

The thing is that most elite squads get made up of the usual suspects, there is in reality only a small pool of players to actually choose from because the vast number of players are not good enough to even be considered. The thing is with those players it is not always because they don't have talent, but that the talent they have is hidden by the poor foundations upon which it is built.

Also those players just in it to have fun and play with their mates? Well they will still end up better players than they would have otherwise and it is irrelevant that they will only be using their better learnt skills to only play at park level. They will have received a better education, will have a better understanding of the game and will probably be more involved with their local clubs - and that sounds like a win all round to me.

IMO
As a coach it is my responsibility to insure the kids who play in my teams become the best footballers they can be. I achieve this by raising their technical levels as high as their and my abilities allow them to go. If I see a kid not advancing as far as I think he can I take it very personally?

Appreciate the feedback, GA.

But at the end of the day we judge our nations footballing ability largely by the success of our senior NT. Having better educated players at the bottom end of the scale might arguably be good for amateur park football but wont make much of a diff, if any, at the top end of town.

As for the hidden talent theory? Not so sure about that mate. At some stage a kid must show a modicum of raw talent to be considered a future div 1 or rep player. From there the kid's talent can be developed. I highly doubt that there's many hidden treasures battling it out in the lower park leagues just waiting to be discovered and polished into something special.

And, as an aside, if a kid isn't involved in the elite ranks by age 13 then there's no point perservering. Just let 'em have fun.

:D Cheers Chips! I really appreciate it when you give these sorts of replies. I will have to mull over about the age issue, in many ways I think you are totally correct.

Teaching kids to pass out from the back (or anywhere else) isn't about the skills so much, although that's obviously important. I've found it much more about teaching them where to move off the ball, and to teach them a structure. Once they know what that is, they find it easy to pass out from the back. It just become easy for them. you can yell at kids or adults about passing as much as you like, but intil you teach them where to go off the ball the most skilful players will keep on losing it.

And btw, if you're talking about "park footballers" vs "rep kids" - that doesn't kick in until the U11s, so from U8s through till U10s you see the best of the junior talent at park level. Which means there's no reason not to start teaching them to play properly at a younger age.

Edited by dirkvanadidas: 13/6/2011 08:42:33 AM




---[color=green]not quite true, football brisbane had made the clubs put players into 3 bands of ability for u9-u11, the top band is to provide the talent pool for FB skill acq program u8-11 and this then in turn provides the pool for FQ/FFA SAP. [/color]

Edited by dirkvanadidas: 13/6/2011 08:44:15 AM