Personal attacks are not acceptable on 442, this thread is quite clearly a personal attack on Decentric and is not acceptable. If you disagree with an idea or a point made by a poster then that is perfectly acceptable and that type of discussion is welcomed.

Decentric's qualifications are not relevant nor is his level of coaching experience. If you wish to disagree with an assertion or a point made by a poster then you are more than welcome to do so but if you wish to carry on a personal agenda against a poster then I suggest you take it elsewhere because it isn't acceptable here.

to the mods
why must we put up with this in this forum?

Quoting Anonymous:
Most can see that what you claiming is not a recognised certificate with the Dutch but a certificate of attendance with the organisers.






It Is a Royal Netherlands Football Association certificate.

In big writing it says KNVB CERTIFICATE.

It is signed by Henk Van Wetering, manager of KNVB Academy.

It is also signed by JH Lesterhuis, vice-chairperson of KNVB.

Moreover, it is signed by KNVB instructors Ad Derkson and Arie Schans, and then FFA TD, Rob Baan.

It is also states it is a certificate handed out by the KNVB.

In addition, I have a letter from FFA stating that it is a participation course based on similar content to the FFA C Licence.




This is a response to Anonymous (essentially one person) elsewhere on Walter Pless' blog.

I hope this clarifies what a KNVB certificate is. It actually occurred in August in Canberra at the AIS in August 2008. I think I'm going to contact Rob Baan to tell him about the determination of some in Australia to discredit the course he set up to bring Australian coaches into 21st century European practices.

Muckraking?

I'd prefer to use the word 'illuminating'.

If you are going to spruik your considerable:lol: knowledge in this section then I would consider it to be good manners to be upfront with the readers.

Lose the rampant bullshit and pretense, and I'm sure we'll all get on just dandy.

This is my first post in the "Performance" subforum.

And I'm going to use it to point out that rabid, Judy Free and all the other morons that come in here slagging off Decentric don't have any qualifications whatsoever, other than being piss-poor internet trolls.

Despite not having the requisite certificates, I am doing a course, "Internet Trolling: How To Do It Well" and invite each of you to participate. It'd certainly raise your levels of contributions to this forum, and I wouldn't even ask you for any money*.







*just signing over whatever worldly goods you have to me, in both of your cases it'd probably be a soiled mattress and a six-pack of cheap cider, but I'll take them regardless

Private enterprise implies an income generating generating motive.

The KNVB certificate is not being used to derive income.

This is a subject for Extra Time.

If there is a mod viewing this, please move it to Extra Time. That is how much I crave the attention - zero.

Other than FFE picking up a junior club inadvertently, this is a muckraking thread, which should be moved to Extra Time.

About a handful.

Do you realise how many PM's i have received congratulating me?(another decentric tactic)

Do you see me sprouting my private enterprises and blatantly attempting to pull the wool over people eyes with my experience and qualifications?

If decentric is to be believed by his previous post, i have done him a favour and thread should stay so people are aware of charlatans.

Using decentrics criteria, this thread has had a record number of posts and views in a short period of time.

Dont shoot the messenger.

Edited by rabid: 15/6/2011 11:19:21 PM

How far can anyone miss a point.

FFS. :roll:

BTW don't be mistaken, decentric craves this sort of attention.

Should we start threads questioning the abilities of Rabid and Chips as well? How about Krones? Why not one for everyone who has posted in the Performance section? The posts in them must be as personal as possible and need not in any whay heed any replies which do not fit into your preconception of the subject.

Do I see a point to this thread existing in Performance?

No is the answer. I call for this to be moved to Extra Time.

There were also a number of other coaches, not as well known who did the course. All in my course were good blokes, and most of them state/rep coaches.

The reason I'm mentioning these football luminaries did the course ( most in the first one for elite coaches) is making the point that you and a small number of others in my home state, who want to discredit a KNVB certificate, should ask yourself why so many ' football names' attended the course you are so keen to discredit?

Rabid, thanks for putting this article up on 442 questioning qualifications. A junior club president contacted me tonight who sometimes browses 442. He missed the FFE article/interview on the Walter Pless site.

Walter's site is essentially for senior clubs. Many of the junior clubs' stakeholders don't frequent the site, unless directly involved in senior football.

We are taking FFE to his junior club. He is very grateful. I can't thank you enough. More young players and suburban coaches will be happy. Indirectly, we have also picked up a whole family of players too, at 10 years, 15 (State Player) and parent (a senior player in the Southern Premier League). All will attend at the same time in differing roles. Inadvertently, you have helped FFE with me providing the link to the article on Walter's site.

Thanks a bunch, Rabid. Communication can be difficult, but your thread has set up effective communication. You have been very helpful for FFE. Some more young footballers will be beneficiaries.

:lol:

Do you realise how many ppl are sick of your trolling?

Classic decentric strategy.

There are dozens of posts in 442 where he sneakily claims an association with known players and coaches. Even Arsene Wenger.

As you say, seriously delusional. Taking the piss to new levels.

Mentioning yourself in the same sentence as ex socceroos and prominent state level coaches is seriously delusional.

Some of you keep going on about this criticism.

Arent you people astounded that this section of the forum is basically reserved for a handful of you?

Do you people realise as to how many people have been put off by decentrics constant grandstanding and delusions of grandeur?

I'm not sure of the cost, but if I do another coaching course, this is the one I will do. I think I'm too old though.

It is the next step up from mine. I think it takes two weeks instead of one week.

Our course had participants from Hong Kong, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, England (although at the time residing in Australia). I wonder why KNVB can attract coaches from 73 countries? I wonder why so many from around the world are willing to travel to the Netherlands to learn?

If one does this course they will receive instruction from some of the world's best football instructors.

Well done, Dirk.

here are the details of the knvb course
Course information
From 5 - 17 August, 2011 the KNVB Academy organizes an International Coaching Course for
participants from all over the world. The Course content is designed by the Academy of the Royal
Netherlands Football Association and all elements in the course are updated to the latest Trainingand
Coaching principles. The previous editions of the International courses (1999 through 2010)
attracted in total 330 coaches from 73 countries. Should you be interested, do not hesitate to register
in time. The number of participants is limited to 25.
Course level
The level of the course is comparable with UEFA B- (Basic) Course, with some elements of A- and
Pro-level (especially the analysis of Pro-matches and special topics are on highest level).
Participants in this course will receive a ‘Participation Certificate’. There will be no formal testing on
knowledge and skills and coaches do not receive a diploma, due to the different entrance levels of the
participants and the specific and non-comparable contents of this program in relation to other
coaching programs.

This post is from another former SBS forumite, a former moderator, believe it or not, who attacks the idea not the person. Interesting that you haven't posted on 442 for some time, Eagle, drawn to this thread by some others talking about it elsewhere on another forum.

I have always stated that I have a KNVB certificate, not a licence. This is the same as Kevin Muscat, Alex Tobin, Steve Corica, Mehmet Durakavic, Carl Veart, Tony Vidmar, Arthur Papas, Vicky Linton, Dean May, Pat McCann, etc. Three of the four I've met, all thought it was an excellent course , whether they did the first or second course. The fourth didn't like one of the KNVB instructors, but confided in a mutual friend, that that coach learnt heaps from the KNVB certificate.

FFA attracted 24 participants to the course I did. If they had said one cannot claim to use the KNVB course as part of their coaching CV, none would've done it. I am qualified to impart what I've learnt to coach others. One had to have a current FFA Youth Licence as a minimum prerequisite for the KNVB course.

Rob Baan set up the course for all A League youth coaches to be on the same page. Some of his subordinates may have a vested interest in trying to discredit course content, for reasons one would have to ask them.

What I say to those who try to discredit my qualifications, question what I advance about football theory, coaching methodology and training ground practice.

I will also say, I don't see it as a competition. The more people with expertise to pass on to footballers, the better for all involved in the sport in Australia. Unfortunately, some coaches see it all as a competition. I don't. The more we share ideas the better. I've picked up some useful ideas/suggestions from other coaches on this forum and others. :d

On behalf of the Australian football community i would like to express our gratitude to Hinge and Bracket for updating us on KNVB certs, we are forever indebted to you.

There are others on this forum and other forums that spend a lot of time off subject and unnecessarily attacking every thing decentric says.
I for one am tired of it I wish to hear what decentric and others have to say on the subject of coaching and performance and not the constant stalking from those who have little to say.

Decentric spends a fair bit of time pissing in people's pockets on here (and other forums) in hope that they will stand beside him when the heat is applied. To be fair, this is an area where he excels. No one can patronise as expertly as this bloke. Whilst he may have a few tail waggers on a leish, I believe most people with half a brain have little trouble seeing right through the bloke. As a poster on the WP web site commented "keep your dribble to the football field".

Interesting how this is your first post since July 2009.

:-k

This section of the forum is set up for coaching and performance you and your sbs forum mates add nothing to this and should be banned.

Well, I've read the Blog and the comments.

Personally, I think its pretty ordinary that you try to pass yourself off as someone who will teach KVNB to the kids when you are certainly not qualified to do so.

Congrats to Rabid for picking this up and shame on the rest of you for trying to downplay/stop it just because you "like" Decentric.

:^o [-x #-o

I think you'll find the two guys, coaches at a junior club who FFE have worked with, used their real names, when they praised the programme at the end of the article/interview in the comments section.

Don't take my word for it, contact the junior club!!!!

There is an accompanying email from FFA delineating course content of the KNVB certificate from fourth person down from the TD.

As I explained to the Anonymous poster on WP, the difference in a course participation or licence, is a test at the end. The lack of a test doesn't negate course content.

In the KNB course I was under intense scrutiny throughout the course. In the FFA Youth course feedback only occurred at the end of the course. I was being provided with constant feedback from the first day of the KNVB course, like everybody else.

What is also apparent, is that the transcript where s/he made an attempt to reproduce describing the details of the course, was borrowed from another course participant - probably not in my course, but the elite coaches course who did it the week before.

The other course participant, must have considered the KNVB certificate very significant. S/he kept in in some sort of personal dossier with all his/her coaching qualifications. They were able to find it easily for what Anonymous claimed was a worthless bit of paper. I couldn't find mine easily till I showed it to the state TD, because I hadn't any need for years. The other coach considered the piece of paper much more valuable than me, and, they are one of Australia's elite youth coaches.

The current state TD had the sense to observe my KNVB practice on the training ground, rather than making uninformed judgements.

I think you should give it up mate

http://www.walterpless.com.au/2011/may/soccer-programme-for-kids-to-have-fun-and-improve-skills.html


Anyone reading the aforementioned article and the comments section, particularly from one anonymous poster, can elucidate your insinuations/accusations in detail and in context.

I have a current FFA Youth Licence where I was tested.

The KNVB course was far more demanding lasting three times a long. Course participants didn't realise there would be no testing of competencies until the last day!

As I have said to two former state FFA TDs and the anonymous critic at the end of the Walterr Pless article/interview, evaluate the training ground practice. None of them have.

Walter, the new state TD and many others have. Any coach/club (I know of) who has seen FFE, wants it at their club.

I think anonymous ( the main critic of my qualifications on Walter Pless' blog), has benefited from scouting players I developed from match observations, for more elite programmes.

How the hell does any of that drivel explain the fact you only have a certificate of participation without any formal testing of competencies so who the hell are you to test anyone else and how you are basically using this certificate illegally promoting your qualifications without any written authority from the FFA?

Just for the record all i saw was anonymous posts and judging by your prior record, there is a good chance they were made by you as you have been exposed doing exactly that on previous occasions.

http://www.walterpless.com.au/2011/may/soccer-programme-for-kids-to-have-fun-and-improve-skills.html#comments


I haven't visiited this section for a few weeks because of the match/stats for Serbia and New Zealand fixtures and generally being busy.

I was going to post a link for the Football For Everyone school article on Walter Pless' football blog site. I didn't want a couple of obsessive stalkers/trollers, who have recently joined 442, one who thankfully seems to have lost interest of late, to visit the site/article. Now they know about the article/interview and Rabid seems to have contacts in Tasmania, I don't care who looks at it.

The link is to Walter Pless' site, Tasmania's top football writer. He is a good mate of mine. He photographed and wrote an article on the Football For Everyone school when I took a session with a junior club (my co-coach was sick). The Tasmanian FFA Technical Director was also observing this FFE session. Subsequent to the training session, coach C and I were interviewed about the FFE concept.

There was an exchange later, in comments, between a guy I think I know, possibly a National Training Centre ( Institute) coach, and me about the KNVB certificate I have. An email accompanies my KNVB certificate that it has a lot of FFA C Licence course content. The state Technical Director is happy with it, since he knows the FFA author of the email well.

The 'anonymous' critic on Walter's blog has lot to gain from being more highly qualified than everybody else.

I suggested if the KNVB certificate is only a certificate, and he is so keen to cast aspersions, then with his authorisation, I'll use the same methodology to critique his coaching practices, using all the coaching principles of the KNVB course. He is terrified of it occurring!!!! He used to coach a relative and I have considerable insight into his coaching methodology. Using KNVB evaluation techniques he will be found wanting in many areas.
Of course I won't do it without his authorisation, but he is very reluctant, even though I acknowledge he has strengths. Walter Pless is very happy for it to occur on his site to as a main article, me using KNVB methodology to critique his coaching practices.

What Rabid doesn't convey is the number of coaches/parents/players who have derived great benefit from Football For Everyone school in the article. We are also doing it for altruistic purposes - we gain no income from the venture.

Enjoy reading the aforementioned article in the link at the top of this post. You can comment, but unlike 442, archives are rarely commented on Walter's blog, and articles are only topical for a few days. Walter Pless' blog is one of the biggest football sites in the country with 1600 visitors per day.

Happy reading!!:d