The Orange Army. (Brisbane Roar Official Thread)


The Orange Army. (Brisbane Roar Official Thread)

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Waz - 17 Jan 2019 2:46 PM
“Anyone else noticed how much better Corey Brown looks defensively at Victory than when he was at the Roar ?” ... that’s not what a lot of Victory supporters are saying and although he’s been okay this year he hasn’t returned to his peak yet. . But look, Brown (like O’Toole today) was developed out of youth, the first two seasons he was inconsistent but the year he won POTY he was a excellent. Last year not so, but he knew he was leaving. Teams can hire a specialist defensive coach, Roar don’t at the moment but agree they should.

I confess I haven't watched Brown as closely this season as when he was with us but in general he seems better to me when I have taken note . ...and yes I think he did drop off once he knew he was going but he had been pretty poor last season anyway.  
I guess it all comes down to money . A defensive coach costs extra dollars I suppose ...but what is the point of owning a football club just to be mediocre (or in our case) diabolical ?
You would think it would be worth just getting someone in to spend one on one time with young defensive players even on a contracted once per week basis ?
Must be a good NPL coach in Brisbane who played defence at a reasonable level who would like a little more pocket money (plus a bit of A-League exposure) ?

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I’d say victory will be happy enough with Brown and he’ll only get better.
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“ANNOUNCEMENT | Since the developments around A-League active support this week, the RSF has been contacted by, and has sought counsel from a number of interested parties in how to move forward. RSF has no interest in owning active support for the A League team; however, we have a significant interest in ensuring the situation can be resolved to the satisfaction of members and fans.

As an independent, constituted supporters group, the RSF is calling for any interested parties and supporters groups to get in contact with us, in the hope we can facilitate a meeting of these parties with the outcome of moving the situation forward.

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from what i saw on tusday i think Nigro can happily be let go. he was terrible defensively and worse on the ball. no way he could take Hingerts spot. perhaps he is better in the DM role but from what i saw on the ball i doubt it.

4 games from Mauk this season is not good enough for a Marquee. 

Daggers is all run but need some serious coaching. he often over does the running losing shape and making things worse for the team. 
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Most of the younger players are doubtful.

Some haven’t been given a decent enough run to really come to a final conclusion but some like O’Toole have been playing regularly and his defending is getting no better, constantly caught out of position and responsible for goals that a more decent defender could have defended.

With the amount of young players we use, the team needs better performing seasoned players, but we don’t see it.

I realise this will be impossible due to existing contract but this is what I’d do if it wasn’t the case:

1. Get rid of all Foreigners, all of them.
2. Get rid of half the youth players
3. Keep just 2 or 3 local players
4. Get rid of John Aloisi and rest of the football dept
4. Start from scratch

Pretty extreme I know but we’re in an embarrassing position that must never be repeated. Finally........

BRFC board to do a lesson learnt and demonstrate how in future they will avoid acting so incompetently slow with a tragic coach like Aloisi.

You have as much to blame.

In a resort somewhere

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“4. Get rid of John Aloisi and rest of the football dept”

First point, where have you been? Johns gone!

Second point would be, no, no, NO to getting rid of the rest of the football Dept. They’re not accountable, the head and assistant coach are.

This club has had way too much instability over the years.
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I obviously meant Ross Aloisi

The team should be doing better now after the first month without JA but they’re an embarrassment. That must also reflect on the football dept starting with Ross, not just on the miserly excuse of the instability of previous years.

The club is a shambles from top to bottom.

In a resort somewhere

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@ paulc

I know 😂

It’s a mistake not to move Ross on but I guess that comes down to the contract he’s on, Bakries must be gun shy of new legal cases right.

As for the players - absolutely. The only fix I can see is swapping 3-4 out quickly and bringing some strong characters in. We always had Broich, Berisha, North, Steff, Smith, who were all big characters ... now we see to have mice not men.

We need some players with attitude and ability - players like Kilkenny, Fornaroli, who aren’t afraid to confront their team mates and lead by example (not saying we should sign those two, but players with that type of attitude).

And I tell you what - I’m getting over sulky friggin Australian strikers who can only score when everything is “just so” ...
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100% Waz. It was good to see Young give Daggers a bollocking after his attempted flick gave possession to Victory who scored about 3 passes later.


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Watching Scumrat when they played against us, you could see him frequently calling his team to defend the centre when they would otherwise have pushed out and harrassed elsewhere. Just so different to our methods I thought it interesting.

For our part, our attack is too one dimensional. Again watching the teams we have played recently, one or two players will make their run into the box when the ball comes down the flank, but there is often a late player running to the top of the box - so while our nervous and hurting backs try to stifle the players running in first, they tend to forget the second phase runners and leave the late arrival alone.

Reminiscent of the old Roar failure to cover the late run at the back post we suffered from consistently a few seasons back.

We tend to put all our eggs in the first basket that runs into the box. Ricky proved the difference a couple of games back because he did arrive that bit later to give an unmarked option - but we tended to ignore him and pass to the surrounded forward anyway.

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Was the Victory game the "rock bottom" Brisbane had to hit before the recovery?   It will be interesting to see what is trotted out against CCM
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The thing that has to be appreciated is there’s very little that can be done now, short of player exchanges - and who would swap any Roar player right now?

There is a systemic problem in the squad that wasn’t fixed with Aloisi’s resignation. That’s quite damning, whatever has been done is sooooooo bad a new coach can’t get a bounce.

Short of a miracle the best thing many roar supporters can do is baton down the hatches and wait for winter, it’s going to be our worst season ever unless we can find 24 points in the remaining 13 games. Yeah, nah ... that ain’t happening.

The Team that John built. There’s a book in this 😉
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Yes it appears completely dysfunctional and unbalanced.
A coach coming in would have to be given assurances he will be backed to clear the decks and bring in a different crew ...the way Ange was .
If we get rid of Holman there is one marquee wage we have to play with . Get rid of TK , Lopez ,Avram , Devere Mikkelsen, and you would have a money and space for better imports .I am also not a huge Bautheac fan ..he runs all day and does some good things but without any great effect ....I would probably keep him depending on how much he is on and his contract situation and see how he goes under a new regime .

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But it is not like we have nothing at all to play for - I am watching excitedly to see if we can end up top 7 material by the end of the season (no small achievement if we could do it).

Then there is the battle for wooden spoon that we may be able to postpone being a part of over the next two games (again, no small thing).

Our defence is afraid, Taggart has still got the yips, and we have been unskillfully unlucky a few times. I don't think we are rock bottom - some of our attacking and interplay is really good - just not enough and not consistent.

I have changed my season focus from top 6 failure to 'how good if we can move up the ladder, and dream of 7th'.

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I cant believ Roass Aloisi is still there.He is the defensive coach and surprise surprise we still concede 2+ goals a game.

I hope there is some sort of shake up soon,because we are serious contenders for the wooden spoon.CCM are looking good with Hiariej back and Aspro too.If they get a half decent AM and striker,they can win games.
Basically they need what we need.
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Marco tweeting that Ross is gone: https://twitter.com/marcothejourno/status/1086061649331597313
Wonder whether this is hinting at Davies moving back to Assistant and a new head coach coming in? 
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Lol .I don't think I can take credit for Ross leaving.
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We are Aloisi-less ... and no legal cases. yay.
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I'm surprised it took him that long to leave, or was he still sticking around to negotiate a payout?

Anyway, wish DD the best of luck.
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Waz - 18 Jan 2019 1:15 PM
We are Aloisi-less ... and no legal cases. yay.

This cannot be emphasized enough. 

There is now no one to get angry with now. Even with the rubbish we playing. Davies is lucky to be pretty free from angry onslaught unless he becomes the full time option. 

It's now up to find someone of quality.
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Excited that Ross is gone. For me he was part of the problem and maybe or someone thought it would be different after John left.

Either way, Davies can now focus on his ideas as to what can change for the better without Ross in his ear.

Got to be a good thing.

Good luck DD.
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Danny Tiatto has gone as well
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Waz - 18 Jan 2019 4:31 PM
Danny Tiatto has gone as well

what was his actual role ?
Hasn't JA got a son in the NYL team ?
Wonder how that will work  ?

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Tiatto was like one up from the kit man, not a coach but a helper.

Ross has a son in the NYL team. I doubt there’ll be any fallout - he’s okay but not great. Don’t see him making the first team tbh.
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Sounds like Boys club has been disbanded. First Moore last year then Aloisi, another Aloisi and Tiatto.

Welcome new blood.
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Can’t understand why anyone would think getting the pre-Ange (Moore, Tiatto ... ) gang back together was a good idea in the first place.
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@clockwork

Moore may not have worked hard in training as part of the old boys club, but he really knew his craft, and was the mentor for Devere when Devere was coming through as a potential great.

I remember watching Moore play for us and it was the first time I have noticed someone doing a great job by doing nothing more at times than coming out of the line to stand near an opposition player - shutting down a threat before it even got noticed in the overall game.

Moore's guidance had to be a good thing.

I also watched red card Tiatto change his playing style in the last few seasons he was on our books to be as clean a player as we had at the time - even more because he was targetted as a rager and fouled quite brutally so often (yes, payback and deserved many would say). He was an Aussie first teamer, and the strength of mind to turn around his hacking ways added together must also have made him worth listening to as part of the backroom.

Having quality experience in the backroom is a good thing - but I am guessing the knowledge Moore and Tiatto were able to pass on was a direct contradiction to the JA philosophy - and perhaps to the extent that Moore's apprentice was stonewalled out of play. If the skill and playing style of both Moore and Tiatto was not fitting with the team's playing style there would be no point in them being there; and they would have just been messing with minds.

As Waz clarified for me the other day (and no doubt most of you would already have seen) our defence can't get the basics right. That cannot have come from Moore because that is what he was great at - knowing what to do and when and I consider the developing Devere to prove that Moore could pass that knowledge on.

I think the Aloisi plan/philosophy was too far from how Moore and Tiatto plied their craft (and perhaps normal football thinking) rather than them necessarily being a bad choice in the backroom.

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Yeah maybe. I took time just now to read an article on Moore, and maybe he had turned a new leaf - see below:

“Moore said the 'rift' with Postecoglou may have been the result of a clash of strong wills but it was never on a personal level.

"I was coming towards the end of my career and with the World Cup coming up I knew I needed regular game time because the A-League season did not quite prepare you for South Africa," Moore, 42, said.

"I was a bit naive and knew very little about Ange and I knew I was going to leave. We did not have any personal issues and perhaps I should have done things a bit better in terms of how I conducted myself.

"I was not in a great space at the time as far as me playing in the A-League and was a bit frustrated if I'm being honest. There was big talk of a clear-out and my focus shifted purely on the World Cup.

"But I finally got to know Ange and realised how professional a coach he is. I must admit I had judged him without really knowing him. That was wrong and it positively changed me as a person.”

Perhaps I’ve done the same with Moore.
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I loved Moore and Tiatto as players for sure.

I guess I expected a lot from them as mentors or coach asst or whatever but I never really was convinced either of them offered a lot after their playing career. I could well be wrong.

A good leader, coach, mentor, manager needs to be decent in man management, a a good knowledge of the game does not replace that.

Look how many great players never succeed at coaching or rather managing teams.

I've known and played with some pretty decent players in my time but very very few ever progress to become good coaches.

It's all about man management at the end of the day.

Hopefully whoever comes in will be a gun at that.


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