Agree wholeheartedly. Yes not too many bagging Roar this week on thread after such a comeback. They've probably gone to some other thread to get some reaction. 

I'm thoroughly convinced you have little idea. 

Your a dud too I'd expect unlike some other posters, who are not Roar fans, but give credit where it's due. 

You our obviously don't like RF and that comes through loud and clear but you cannot deny he has to be one of the greatest players ever to grace the ALeagues coaching ranks. 

And successful or not, it brings interest from abroad to our league. Surely that turns other players and coaches eyes this way. 

So make some constructive criticism or go away. 

Roar played well in the second half yesterday and deservedly got the win. Fair play to them. With that said, it doesn't change the fact that the first 45 was pretty terrible (as it was last week). I don't think any of the "experts" in this thread actually made the argument that one half is more important than the other. Obviously momentum-wise it's always advantageous to come home strong with a good second half, but Roar's first halves of games have been dire. Fact. If RF doesn't fix that, it will inevitably cost them points, and it easily could've yesterday had JMac been able to play the full 90. Again, congrats to Roar with a resilient win.

That time of the month again, Princess?

Welcome back jeggohouse :)   I have been eagerly awaiting your stamp of approval before celebrating yesterday's win. The only observations I can make is that a regular season game of football is played over 90 minutes.  At the conclusion of this time, the team that scored the most goals is awarded the results.  Weather those goals come in the 1st minute, 95th minute, is irrelevant as is the quality.  Witness BR's previous game, where they copped a goal right at the end, even though they created as many if not more clear cut chances.  The result was a loss to BR, and congrats to Adelaide.

Alternatively one team could score 10 dazzling goals and the other could score 11 really dire English lower league style goals.  The team with 11 is awarded the result.  My apologies if your were already aware of this, it is just a little unclear if you knew this obscure rule of football judging by some of your posts.  Additionally, one team may train and set-up to play the full 90 minutes for every game of the season, whilst the others may not have trained as hard and fade in the dying stages of the game.  A team that can run out the full 90 and come home with a wet sail will generally come out on top over the course of a season.   You rightly point out that BR have started poorly in their games, but in the majority of them, they have finished the better and yesterday we saw RF make a change after approx 27 minutes.  

Can you imagine how good they will be once they sort out the slow starts?  It must be frightening for opposition fans who wrote them off at the beginning of the season.  :)

You shouldn't have :)

And I had no idea about the scoring system in football! I'm woke to that now, so thanks! 

You seem overly hung up over me being complimentary of AU's goal last week. I mean, the commentators were extremely complimentary of the goal too, but I guess that's not objective enough for you? Actually I thought ROD's opening goal was a tidy finish after some good build up play, but it's a shame you thought it was a "dire English lower league style goal". Always pays not to make strawman arguments :) 

You're correct in saying BR finished most of their matches stronger than the opposition, which is again something I never disputed. But you seemed to have completely missed the overarching point of my post, which is that poor first halves can cost teams points. If a team goes 5-0 down in the first half, they ain't scoring in 6 in the second 45, no matter how motivational the half time talk or the tactical adjustments. On another day, a fully fit JMac stays on the park and earns his team a point or more. Again, Brisbane got the ascendancy when it mattered so well done to them. But to not be concerned by that first half display is pretty funny actually :)   

Your comments would indicate that you were struggling with the concept that the most goals scored wins a game, not how pretty they are.  I'm glad I could have been of assistance to you and help clear that up. 

Thank you for finally understanding the overarching point of my posts, ie try and judge what has actually happened on the field not what could or should happen.  You say "poor starts can cost teams points. .. If a team goes down 5-0....."  You're using an example that has yet to occur with this BR team. They have never been 5-0, the worse was 0-2 and they came back and beat the ladder leaders, so your point is entirely moot.   

As for JMac staying on the park and earning his team a point or more.  Maybe you're right or maybe he tears a hammy, gives away a penalty, gets a red card, scores an on goal, gives birth to a rhino, maybe a combination of all of the above,  the list goes on.  In your view the only outcome if JMac stays on is a negative for Brisbane. You are unable to acknowledge that when playing the fun game of conjecture, that there are positive and negative possibilities to consider.  You've stated JMac's positive impacts, but can't seem to grasp that JMac staying on the pitch may have lead to a bigger losing margin by MC or no difference at all and therefore a negative impact. 

You could just point out Roar won the second half 4–1 

:D :hehe:

Yesterday did almost nothing to change my opinion. Great win though. As good as that 2nd half was, the 1st was equally as bad.

The commentators were saying the wind was huge favouring the right of screen, probably explaining why city had the better of the first half and brisbane dominated the second half.....would things have been different if brisbane were going into the wind in the second half...who knows.

What yesterdays game showed is the fact that the team has a "never say die attitude". It could have been VERY easy to put the heads down and crumble at half time, but they didn't and got a deserved victory which means the team has great "character" as RF has been constantly referring too.

The game showed how frail the team is defensively if they don't defend deep, city got through to easy.

That Holloway chap has too start, not the greatest technically, but is a HUGE menace. Need to get O'Shea on the ball as often as possible as he is the creative outlet.

A win is a win (I predicted at the very least they wont lose this game), hopefully it can lead to big and better things, but I certainly wasn't convinced. I got Brisbane and Wellington for the spoon...they meet this week, Brisbane must back it up.

Citation definitely needed lol. What are you even talking about? I judged the AU last week to be the most visually-appealing goal... because it was the only goal scored in the match....

Surely you're not actually this disingenuous? It's called an example mate. Hyperbole is often used to make a point. I gave you a 5-0 scenario to demonstrate the perils of slow starts. Thanks for reminding me that BR were only 2-0 down though, because I was definitely convinced they were down 5-0... To give you another example, MC could've decided to park the bus for the entire second half and won 2-0 or 2-1. 

Yeah... that's not how probability works lol. Surely even the most one-eyed BR fan would've acknowledged that City's chances dried up as soon as JMac was subbed? Yes I absolutely agree that countless other scenarios could've eventuated if JMac stayed on the park (BR could've won 8-3, JMac could've gone studs up on Alex King after a bad decision etc.), but I obviously made that statement based on what was happening while he was on the park (MC scoring and creating chances), and then what happened when he left the park (MC stopped scoring, created very few chances). 

Not sure what we're even arguing about lol. I made a pretty uncontroversial statement that BR will need to fix their first poor half performances (acknowledging they played well and that they were the better side) and purely because I'm not a BR fan, you sarcastically came back at me with some nonsense (which I thought was pretty ironic seeing as you called me troll). 

Fair points all said.....yes they need to back up tho football is a funny game with many ups and downs.....and I don't think Wellington have been that bad so it remains to be seen. 

I am at present in NZ but very far away from Wellington unfortunately as I would love to attend the game.

On the theory of wind advantage, it's maybe  an advantage at lower levels, as we would assume, but at pro level the wind has little if any advantage. 

Having coached at senior level for 10 years I'd have to say the expected advantage of wind direction rarely comes into any realised advantage. 

Constructive please ?? Looks like I pushed your buttons!

That doesn't make much sense to me

cool 

I think if the wind is strong, it has a MASSIVE effect on any game. Funnily enough, we only have to look at the Cake Tin, where a fair few games are effected by the wind.  

Whenever I/my team had to play into the wind in the second half of a game, it made a huge difference to the way we played (tactically) and mentally knowing you will be virtually running up a hill and the opposition just coming straight back right at you time after time. 

oh yes agreed....but pro teams should be able to adjust tactically if they are facing a strong wind surely....its generally a known quantity before any particular half of the game....and therefore a necessary part of the game plan tactics. 

There wasn't much else City could do, fatigue comes in to play, and Brisbane overran City, the wind naturally forces the defensive team to drop further back than usual. City probably would have done the same if they had the wind in the second half. Mother nature plays a part in our great sport for fortunately for Brisbane in was in there favour.

Or these people spoke about the game into the match thread...

Nope, they've all dropped in, the magnetism and allure of the Orange Army thread is just too great for some.

Didn't the wind blow the same way for the entirity of the game?  Brisbane keep getting lucky don't they?

Yeah and players are much more fatigued in the 2nd half...no luck, just how it played out mate.

Okay, I’m losing track of the excuses. I suggest we keep a log:

Sydney (A) - “Ahh, preseason doesn’t count see”

Glory (A) - “Glory weren’t fit”

Victory (H) - “Nabbout went off injured”

WSW (A) - “WSW had a hang-over from the Derby”

Adelaide (A) - “Roar had the wrong sort of chances”

City (H) - “it was the wrong type of wind”

Im sure that we could improve on these, which may be necessary, seeing as it appears improbable Fowler has created a side that’s proved tough for anyone to beat and after six attempts every game has been close. 

Just a few points:

- None of us are gloating about our win or assuming it means anything in a seasonal context other than we just came from behind and won our first game against a good team in form and scored plenty.
- Bagging the coach without recognising what he has drilled, instilled and created in this team is closed mindedness 
- Bagging the team without recognising the skills, qualities and positives they have demonstrated every game is equally bloody minded.
- It is a big result for us - especially for the 'could have beens' in previous games..
- The wind had a huge impact on the game with balls from both keepers clearly affected in the same manner in their respective halves. Jamie Young would have been a chance to score an own goal against it - but with that wind this was not the game for Jamie to step back in. His short kick would have been a bigger detriment than his strength as a stopper for me and balls would have come back all half with a bit extra whenever he cleared.
- It is a good team with so many options for us to discuss as improvements. As someone else said a few weeks back - how good is it to be discussing what can get better rather than what was just shite.
- and finally - how good was it to drive the 10 minutes to the game ;)

I said nothing about RF's playing career and I never said anything about RF and generating 'interest'. Stop strawmanning.

I still remain completely unconvinced about RF and his Royal Brigade of Duds. Wow, the Roar have won one half of a football game. Do it again next week and the week after and the week after that and so on. I have praised RF for improving the Roar's defensive capabilities, something JA never truly fixed. I have praised O'Shea - he's no Thomas Broich but I can see why he's been bought. He's got some creativity and vision to open up space and create good scoring opportunities for duds like ROD. AAH actually looks lively and should continue to be up front - not Brad Inman. Lastly, I will give RF this - though he's a green coach, he is learning quicker than JA did from both stints at Heart and the Roar. Identifying the defence needs to be fixed, appointing an experienced assistant and not his equally inexperienced brother, and hauling off McGing for JCP. (Hopefully that shows all HAL clubs he should never signed up ever again)

Still doesn't change the fact up to the second half against City, his team only scored 1 goal in 4.5 games and conceded 3 despite having what you and other RF nuthuggers have said 'the best defence in the league'.

Your ovaries are making you hysterical, fren!

The commentator, cant remember who it was, said the wind will play a huge part in the second half.

That’ll be Kosmina. It’s still an excuse. 

Best of both worlds: Macklin Freke

May be an excuse, but still a fact which contributed to the result.

We blame the wind.