Hah the prick got turfed out.

I won, she's gone, LOL at all those who loved Gillard, she was Australia's most undemocratic Prime Minister EVER. Shame on those who delayed this moment for the people.

How does one measure the democracy of a person?

Too late, your little man-hating lesbian thief is gone as PM. If you couldn't see her for the crap that she was, then you need to open your eyes a little bit more...

Well that doesn't answer my question at all.

Matt, I think you're one of the better posters on here, so I won't answer out of respect.

Caught up on QT post op, haven't liked Rudd as a person (seems like a particularly conniving snake of a man) but he handled it with aplomb. LNP seemed to flounder a bit trying to play personal politics and Rudd deflected it right back by emphasising policy debate.

LNP is odds on to form government, but early signs suggest ALP have made the right call to salvage as many seats as they can. LNP are in a bit of a bind as they have spent 3 years attacking a person rather than the party and now that person is gone. They have ammo but they need to sell it and I feel the public is exhausted of petty politics. Time to see some concrete direction and policy which can only be a win for informed voting.

Well, I'm a shit poster on here so can you answer me? I have the same question.

Forming a minority government is undemocratic? Only reason people think she is somehow undemocratic is that Kevin Rudd had so little support from his colleagues that he didn't stand against Gillard at the end of his reign, it would have been a white wash. That and he cried like a bitch afterwards. Abusing your staff, ingoring the advice of half a parliament worth of elected representatives and the entire public service, now that is undemocratic. Such a bastion of democracy this Rudd.

When did she say that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slW6u-lPp8s

^ We need Australian Politics to be back to like this

Enough of this embarrassment called the Australian labor Party

well I told you so......;)

howdy everyone....from downtown Hanoi...in the socialist republic of Vietnam....

so it's in ALL the papers oversea's......an embarressment to Australia

Vietnam has fibre but it's only as goods as ADSL+2 as you can see for me to post is very cumbersome

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No, my dislike was with Gillard as PM, not with 442 posters. She is gone, so I'm letting sleeping does lie (literally).

The thing is Rudd is the closest Australia has to a typical 'talking head' Politician that they get in America

All talk, fabulous oratory skills, flawless public speaking, but NO ACTION!

Rudd got the job again because his wife (Therese Rein) is loaded with old money, a shitload was pumped with fairfax media (just look at news.com.au's website compared to abc.net.au/news websites over the past year- the idea of returning him to the leadership was almost tabloid-esque) and Rein with her money got a propaganda machine to get him back into the job of being a talking head.

However, bottom line: Hes not MY prime minister and you dont have my vote. and the leader of political party in charge of our country remains someone to rebel/ protest against

Keating didn't even go to uni iirc and he's the smartest out of all of them.



You don't vote for prime minister. You vote in a local representative who can then form a party who can then appoint the prime minister.

This is my big issue with the whole thing. Everyone keeps saying "Oh, Abbott looks like Gollum, I can't ever vote for him", "Yeah, but Krudd singlehandedly ruined our country last time, you can't vote for him either". Last I checked, I'm getting mail from local members who will be the only names I have the option of voting for. And do you know the shittest thing of it all? The prime minister, the whole centre of this clusterfxxx, aren't even chosen by me. And they're the heads of the majority party that wins it, yeah? So why was there even talk that when Krudd overturned Gillard, people were saying "Oh, but she's still prime minister, and unless she resigns & the governor general accepts it we could be looking at a party-less prime minister". How the fxxx does the person who was elected via leading a party, wind up not leading the party but still be elected?

And out of interest - who even knows what their local bloke stands for?

If you don't like parties, don't vote for a party. There will surely be plenty of independent candidates in your electorate for you to chose from if you wish.

I don't necessarily have a problem with parties. I'm having a go at how people think we vote for one single person to become Prime Minister. They let their vote be decided by "Abbot being a cxxx" and all that nonsense - and Abbot/Gillard/Rudd never even appear on their voting slip. The system is setup so you're meant to vote for your local guy who will do the best for your area. How the people of Australia take it is a popularity contest between rivalling personalities.

As I stated somewhere previously, I want the mining tax abolished as it was a terrible fxxxing idea in the first place. I'm under the impression that voting liberal is the best way for this to happen, so that's how I'll be voting

Why was the super profits tax a terrible idea? Other than it being watered down thanks to lobby pressure, that is.

Just google "why mining tax is bad" and I'm sure there's multiple things for you to read about it. The system we had was fine - the more profits made, the more tax paid. Labour massively overestimated the return they'd get on this tax, spent way more than they even got returned because of it, and have completely fxxxed it up. Meanwhile, any region closely linked with mining has abnormal unemployment rates and is generally going poorly.

The tax was fucked over by scaremongering by billionaires that were worried their fat fingers may not be in any pies anymore.

The tax raised so little money as a result, how could it possibly be blamed for the bursting of the mining bubble?

ahh Vietnam, the best holiday I ever had, good luck with Broadband from a junk, but Halong bay will be the highlight of your trip

At this point in time I'd like to take the "notorganic high road" - singling out the most minute part of a post and slamming that:

Who, and when, did anyone blame the bursting of the mining bubble on the mining tax?

"Meanwhile, any region closely linked with mining has abnormal unemployment rates and is generally going poorly."

Were you not using this as a result of the tax, reinforcing the assertion that the tax is bad for mining?

I believe the tax IS bad for mining.

I still fail to see where the bursting of the mining bubble was pinned on the mining tax, however.

#nhr

Maybe we're heading to a dead end here. Lets readjust.

Why is the tax bad for mining?

A #nhr leads to a dead end? Surely not :lol:

It deters investment (and I'm sure you can read into the implications that has), and creates a massive state of panic & uncertainty in the industry that, due to the price of coal atm, is already shaking.

With the huge lack of return the tax gave, and the cost of administering etc - it's not worth the time nor effort. Why do something that overall gains you nothing, yet pisses off one of your biggest industries?

If the original tax was implemented to scope, and not watered down as previously discussed, would it have been worth the time & effort?

How does it deter investment exactly? What Do you think is causing the price of ore & coal to stall now?