The Australian Politics thread: Prime Minister Anthony Albanese


The Australian Politics thread: Prime Minister Anthony Albanese

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:lol: Joe Hockey you fucking mong
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Tony Abbott has just been embarrassed about his boats policy on the Indonesian edition of Q & A right now.
So much for the undergrad in Law...:lol: :lol: :lol:
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He went on the Indonesian edition of Q&A? I didn't even know he was in Indonesia.
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He went on the Indonesian edition of Q&A? I didn't even know he was in Indonesia.

All Indonesian panelists laughed at his intention to 'turn back the boats', basically making it out to be idiotic.
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notorganic wrote:
:lol: Joe Hockey you fucking mong


you are pathetic Matt

no wait Christine Milne will fix it...!!!!
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ozboy wrote:
Tony Abbott has just been embarrassed about his boats policy on the Indonesian edition of Q & A right now.
So much for the undergrad in Law...:lol: :lol: :lol:



anyone with half a brain knows that Q&A, the 7.30 report & the ABC Generally are left wing biased ambush events........so it's not a true reflection of objective reporting or journalism......
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batfink wrote:
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Tony Abbott has just been embarrassed about his boats policy on the Indonesian edition of Q & A right now.
So much for the undergrad in Law...:lol: :lol: :lol:



anyone with half a brain knows that Q&A, the 7.30 report & the ABC Generally are left wing biased ambush events........so it's not a true reflection of objective reporting or journalism......


I'd say the ABC is the best example of objective reporting in Australia
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433 wrote:
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[quote=ozboy]Tony Abbott has just been embarrassed about his boats policy on the Indonesian edition of Q & A right now.
So much for the undergrad in Law...:lol: :lol: :lol:



anyone with half a brain knows that Q&A, the 7.30 report & the ABC Generally are left wing biased ambush events........so it's not a true reflection of objective reporting or journalism......


I'd say the ABC is the best example of objective reporting in Australia[/quote


you are probably a left wing voter???????

the other point is I watched the Q&A show and no one was owned...it was more like Indonesian with the standard Rhetoric...they keep saying the problem is only 10,000 people somewhat is the big deal....well I would say if that's the cade why don't Indonesia deal with it......

Also why does Ozboy target Abbott....Kevin Rudd has come out with the same policy now....

desperate times call for desperate measures.......Rudd will sell his arse to get elected....drop the carbon tax, turn back the boats whatever....but at the end of the day most intelligent people understand that the ALP in Australia are justblike the communists in Vietnam....all talk no action and nothing delivered......

rhetoric follows rhetoric follows rhetoric.......all talk no action.....

ALP = smoke and mirrors


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Reality has a left wing bias.
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lol @ batfink still having stab at left-wing voters :lol:

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Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has offered an unreserved apology on behalf of the government for the electrocution death of three young men killed installing ceiling insulation as part of the rushed government program in 2009 and 2010.

Describing the deaths of Matthew James Fuller, Reuben Kelly Barnes and Mitchell Scott Sweeney as an "unspeakable tragedy", he said in Jakarta: "As the Prime Minister of this country I am deeply sorry for what has occurred and, of course, I apologise for these deaths, given that it was a government program."

The parents of Mr Fuller, a 26 year old electrician, had earlier called for an apology from Mr Rudd, who was Prime Minister at the time of their son’s death. They told the ABC that Mr Rudd "couldn’t remember our names and has never apologised to our face".

Mitchell Sweeney, with his mother Wendy.

Mr Rudd also said he accepted the criticisms of the government by the Queensland coroner, saying: "Let’s not beat around the bush - this was a government program."

The Queensland Coroner had criticised the federal and Queensland governments over the deaths of the three young Queenslanders who were electrocuted in 2009 and 2010.

The directors and supervisors of ceiling insulation businesses that employed the young men could also face Workplace Safety charges.


Rueben Barnes died while installing insulation in 2009. Photo: Supplied/The Chronicle

Mr Barnes, 16, Mr Fuller 25, and Mr Sweeney 22, were electrocuted while installing foil insulation in Queensland homes as part of the federal government’s $2.45 billion Home Insulation Program that was designed to stimulate the economy during the global financial crisis.

State Coroner Michael Barnes handed down his findings into the deaths on Thursday and was highly critical of the federal government, saying it had not adequately assessed the risks for the program - noting that speed was a major contributor to this factor.

"The scoping of the risks likely to be generated and the safeguards that would contain them were miscalculated and inadequate," Mr Barnes said.

"Undoubtedly, a major contributor to the failure ... was the speed with which the program was conceived, designed and implemented."

The Coronor noted that because a major focus of the program was to stimulate the economy, it needed to be rolled out much more quickly than a two year time frame nominated by experts, "but not at the cost of human life".

"It is reasonable to conclude the dangers should have been foreseen and mitigated before three people died in Queensland and another in New South Wales."

While the Coroner noted that work place safety regulation was primarily a state government responsibility, he also said it was "reasonable to expect" that when the federal government injected billions of dollars into the economy via a program designed to create employment for unskilled or unemployed workers, "it would have regard to the possible safety implications".

'Damning indictment' of government

Deputy Opposition Leader Julie Bishop seized on the report on Thursday.

"The Queensland Coroner's report is a scathing, damning indictment of the former Rudd government," she told reporters in Darwin.

Ms Bishop said Mr Rudd needed to explain how warning were ignored and risks were not taken into account.

She said that Mr Rudd must release the letters containing warnings that were sent to his government.

Last week, before the Coroner's findings were handed down, Opposition Leader Tony Abbott wrote to Mr Rudd, asking him to release all correspondence he received about the home insulation scheme when he was first prime minister.

Specifically, Mr Abbott requested four letters from former environment minister Peter Garrett in 2009 and four ''warnings'' provided by the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet in 2009 and 2010.

''As you would know, the implementation of the Home Insulation Program was a low-point in your previous administration,'' Mr Abbott said.

''I trust that you will honour this request in the interests of openness and transparency.''

Bosses to be investigated

The Coroner referred Mr Barnes’ bosses Christopher and Richard Jackson, who were executive directors for Arrow Property Management, for potential breaches of the Electrical Safety Act.

Christopher Jackson will also be investigated for perjury for allegedly giving false evidence during the inquest.

Mr Fuller’s supervisor Ben McKay will be investigated to determine if he breached workplace health and safety laws by leaving the untrained worker unattended.

The Coroner condemned the lack of training the companies gave their employees and said the two Queensland workplace safety organisations reacted very slowly despite the obvious risks to untrained installers working in roof cavities.

"The dangers should have been foreseen before three people died in Queensland and a fourth in New South Wales," he said.

Mr Barnes was especially critical of subcontractors using metal staples instead of plastic staples, with some suggestions given that installers found metal staples faster and easier to use.

Mr Barnes recommended the Queensland government make the installation of electrical safety switches compulsory in all Queensland homes "as a matter of urgency".

He also highlighted that there had still not been an electrical safety review of ceiling insulation work in Queensland.

He ordered that Safe Work Queensland conduct an urgent review.

Mr Barnes also ordered an immediate large scale public relations campaign to warn householders of the electrical dangers inside roof cavities.

Families welcome findings

Outside the court, a lawyer for Mr Fuller's family said his clients were pleased with the inquest's findings.

"The findings do justify their persistence in wanting this inquest to take place," the representative said.

"The findings do show some level of blame, not just to the employer, but also to those people in state and federal governments."

Peter Koutsoukis, from Morris Blackburn lawyers, said Mr Sweeney's family welcomed the findings from the inquest.

In particular they approved of Mr Barnes' conclusion that employers could not distance themselves from responsibility for care because an employee was a contractor.

Mr Koutsoukis said that was important for Mr Sweeney's family, which was suing Titan Insulations for almost $325,000 for its loss.

"The coroner found that the younger a person is, the more the responsibility shifts to an employer to ensure their safety at work, " Mr Koutsoukis said.

"And it is not not negated by any assertion that the person is a subcontractor rather than a straight employee," he said.

Mr Koutsoukis said the family welcomed Mr Barnes' finding that Titan had not supervised Mitchell's workplace and that "little or nothing" was done to assist installers avoid putting metal staples through live power cables.

Meanwhile, CEO of Master Electricians Australia Malcolm Richards said the home insulation scheme was rushed from the beginning.

"It was too fast, without adequate safeguards and it encouraged people to cut corners and to lower safety standards in an attempt to gain quick money, " he said.

He said he personally raised safety concerns with federal government ministers at the time.

"I met personally with Peter Garrett a number of times personally to impact on him the importance of improving the safety in the scheme," he said.

Mr Richards described the inquest as "touching and very unfortunate for all the families involved".


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/rudd-apologises-for-insulation-program-deaths-20130704-2peal.html#ixzz2Y7VC1uCB

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ozboy wrote:
Tony Abbott has just been embarrassed about his boats policy on the Indonesian edition of Q & A right now.
So much for the undergrad in Law...:lol: :lol: :lol:

Just because you've studied Law in Australia doesn't mean that you have coherent understanding of International and Maritime Law. That said, you'd think he'd do a little homework before agreeing to appear on national television on a matter involving the two.

Who was it who suggested that batfink was actually an ALP agent designed to put people off LNP voters? I think they might have been right. As the election campaign draws on his opinion grows more obtuse and repulsive.
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433 wrote:


I'd say the ABC is the best example of objective reporting in Australia


This
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afromanGT wrote:
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Tony Abbott has just been embarrassed about his boats policy on the Indonesian edition of Q & A right now.
So much for the undergrad in Law...:lol: :lol: :lol:

Just because you've studied Law in Australia doesn't mean that you have coherent understanding of International and Maritime Law. That said, you'd think he'd do a little homework before agreeing to appear on national television on a matter involving the two.

Who was it who suggested that batfink was actually an ALP agent designed to put people off LNP voters? I think they might have been right. As the election campaign draws on his opinion grows more obtuse and repulsive.


LOL.....surely you jest.....LOL....


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Joffa wrote:
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I'd say the ABC is the best example of objective reporting in Australia


This




LOL....if the ABC isn't left then all Fairfax outlets aren't right....

the status Que is returned
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disgraceful to see the Governments position and treatment of the families and businesses affected by the insulation deaths, absolute disgrace
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batfink wrote:
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I'd say the ABC is the best example of objective reporting in Australia


This




LOL....if the ABC isn't left then all Fairfax outlets aren't right....

the status Que is returned


I didn't say they didn't have a left leaning bias, I agreed that they were the best example of objective reporting in Australia.
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Joffa wrote:
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Joffa wrote:
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I'd say the ABC is the best example of objective reporting in Australia


This




LOL....if the ABC isn't left then all Fairfax outlets aren't right....

the status Que is returned


I didn't say they didn't have a left leaning bias, I agreed that they were the best example of objective reporting in Australia.


and SBS?????

I would suggest SBS are way ahead
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I love watching batfink post, like a train wreck in slow motion :lol:

Just can't look away :lol:

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paulbagzFC wrote:
I love watching batfink post, like a train wreck in slow motion :lol:

Just can't look away :lol:

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what train wreck is that???

you lefties are a strange bunch.....

you must be proud of the Governments balls up of live cattle exports to Indonesia....now the Indonesians are buying up the cattle stations....

way to go
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batfink wrote:
Joffa wrote:
batfink wrote:
Joffa wrote:
433 wrote:


I'd say the ABC is the best example of objective reporting in Australia


This




LOL....if the ABC isn't left then all Fairfax outlets aren't right....

the status Que is returned


I didn't say they didn't have a left leaning bias, I agreed that they were the best example of objective reporting in Australia.


and SBS?????

I would suggest SBS are way ahead


Possibly, I see them as similar, they certainly tend to view things from a different perspective.
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It's funny how the only people who claim ABC have this horrible left leaning bias are people from the right :lol:
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batfink wrote:
you must be proud of the Governments balls up of live cattle exports to Indonesia....now the Indonesians are buying up the cattle stations....

Strange coming from someone trumpeting the inhumanity of caged chickens
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paulbagzFC wrote:
I love watching batfink post, like a train wreck in slow motion :lol:

Just can't look away :lol:

-PB

This. :lol:
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What's a status que?
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ozboy wrote:
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you must be proud of the Governments balls up of live cattle exports to Indonesia....now the Indonesians are buying up the cattle stations....

Strange coming from someone trumpeting the inhumanity of caged chickens



the inhumane treatment of the animals was on foreign soil, and is their problem to solve, Australia should have protected our industry and sent representatives there to sort the problem out.......I don't condone the treatment of the animals and they should be treated correctly....but why support farmer when the majority vote for the LNP.....destroyed an industry....but hey at least they are consistently in competent.....

well I am not sure about that...??? some leftie friends love the ABC and agree that it reflects a left view.....with prsentors like, leigh ales,quentin dempster,kerry O'Brien it's hard to launch a feasible argument based on the names above.....LOL...

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batfink wrote:
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batfink wrote:
you must be proud of the Governments balls up of live cattle exports to Indonesia....now the Indonesians are buying up the cattle stations....

Strange coming from someone trumpeting the inhumanity of caged chickens



well I am not sure about that...??? some leftie friends love the ABC and agree that it reflects a left view.....with prsentors like, leigh ales,quentin dempster,kerry O'Brien it's hard to launch a feasible argument based on the names above.....LOL...


Not sure what Leigh Sales has to do with caged chickens.
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notorganic wrote:
What's a status que?



a band from the UK??????? LOL





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notorganic wrote:
What's a status que?

That's Status Quo's slightly confused latino cover band.
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In Australia, Misogyny Lives On
By JULIA BAIRD

THE fastest way to lance a country’s anxieties about women and power is to appoint a female leader. For the three years and three days that Julia Gillard was prime minister of Australia, we debated the fit of her jackets, the size of her bottom, the exposure of her cleavage, the cut of her hair, the tone of her voice, the legitimacy of her rule and whether she had chosen, as one member of Parliament from the opposition Liberal Party put it, to be “deliberately barren.”

The sexism was visceral and often grotesque.

There were placards crying “Ditch the Witch,” toys designed for dogs that encouraged them to chew on the fleshier parts of her anatomy, and, most recently, a menu offering “Julia Gillard Kentucky Fried Quail — small breasts, huge thighs and a big red box.” By the end of her term, on June 27, the prime minister struggled to be heard above the sexist ridicule. When she addressed this, she was accused of igniting “gender wars.”

To point this out is not to imply that Ms. Gillard was flawless: far from it.

Her biggest problem may have been the way she became Australia’s first female prime minister. Under the Westminster system, voters elect parties, who are able to change leaders at will. In June 2010, Ms. Gillard, then deputy prime minister, deposed Kevin Rudd, with support from other members of their governing Labor Party, ostensibly because of poor polling. “The government,” she said, “had lost its way.” It was the first time that a sitting prime minister in Australia had been overthrown by his own party during his first term. Meanwhile, Mr. Rudd never left the picture. He stayed in government, and last month — almost exactly three years after Ms. Gillard had pushed him out — he returned the favor, after polls suggested that the party would be annihilated at the coming election.

Uneasiness over the way Ms. Gillard came to power fed deep currents of misogyny throughout her time in power. (She remains a member of Parliament but will retire at the election.)

She was pragmatic and effective, presided over solid economic growth, reduced Australia’s carbon emissions and enacted historic reforms in the areas of education and disability. History will be kind to her.

But she made many mistakes: abandoning a promise not to introduce a carbon tax, being slow to condemn corruption in her party, and negotiating a limp tax that failed to reap significant revenue from Australia’s mining boom.

She lacked canny political instincts and was unable to project her natural warmth, humor and empathy or convince the public of her sincerity.

Women across Australia had clinked glasses at her ascension: at last, the mold was smashed. She was an unmarried red-haired atheist with no children, living with a hairdresser boyfriend who often rose early to tend to her tresses. Yet Ms. Gillard was determined not to let her sex be a distraction. She fought the 2010 election hard, playing politics like the boys, with wit, pragmatism and tough debating skills. She ignored the sneers, the contempt and the catcalls.

Then, last year, her father died. While she was still grieving, a radio shock jock named Alan Jones declared that Ms. Gillard’s father must have died of shame. Shortly afterward, in Parliament, the leader of the Liberal opposition, Tony Abbott, said that Ms. Gillard’s government should “die of shame.” Ms. Gillard delivered a blistering response. She would not be lectured to, she said, by a man who had stood next to placards calling her “bitch,” and who had suggested that men had a better temperament for leadership. “My father did not die of shame,” she said coolly. “What the leader of the opposition should be ashamed of is his performance in this Parliament and the sexism he brings with it.”

“If he wants to know what misogyny looks like in modern Australia, he doesn’t need a motion in the House of Representatives. He needs a mirror.”

As her popularity dropped — especially among men — Ms. Gillard’s failings were unfairly pegged to the fact that she had dared to talk about the perils of female leadership. With gender dominating front pages for months, the media described her daily as a failed experiment. Even her fiercest critics conceded, in the final weeks, that no other prime minister was ever treated with such vitriol.

At her last news conference, Ms. Gillard said being the first woman “does not explain everything about my time in the prime ministership, nor does it explain nothing.” Her voice quavered when she said, “What I am absolutely confident of is that it will be easier for the next woman and for the woman after that and the woman after that, and I’m proud of that.”

The woman who had been known for playing politics like a man had suffered the most extraordinary, foul attacks on a woman we have seen in this country. Both her success and her failure acted like pipe songs, luring the snakes of contempt and woman-hating from their baskets. School students threw sandwiches at her.

Now the demons have settled, if wakefully. Mr. Rudd has revived his party’s chances at the next election, and commentators have turned from misogyny to taxes, carbon, refugees and investment; there is a discomfiting sense of relief that the woman has gone.

But we have all changed for having a female prime minister. Ms. Gillard was unable to control her party or her political narrative; unlike Margaret Thatcher, who silenced critics by staring them down, she seemed to only spur them on. But her steel and stoicism were remarkable.

And the robust discussion we had about archaic attitudes about women has mattered.

A 4-year-old girl from Canberra, when told that Australia had a new prime minister, said: “Really? What’s her name?” This, too, matters.

Julia Baird, the author of “Media Tarts: How the Australian Press Frames Female Politicians,” is writing a biography of Queen Victoria.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/06/opinion/in-australia-misogyny-lives-on.html?_r=0
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