I love that Tony Abbott keeps saying that its "the same old Kevin Rudd" whilst never letting up on referring to John Howard

Why do you think that businesses do go broke on big tenders like these?

Is the rate any higher than businesses going under in the private sector?

well IME what happens is the Government lets the contract to a larger vendor who they think have the capacity to take on the works, then they sub let the work to sub-contractors who they dictate a fixed price install rate for particular installations..... the HEAD contractor will have milestones and critical path dates to meet and if they don't meet these dates are then penalised, these penalties are also passed onto the sub-contractors, the fixed install prices are firstly very low and secondly when there are variations or additional charges these are not honoured or don't even form part of the contract....

we were going to do some work but when i saw the install rates and the contract we declined....


i do think that the rate is higher than in private sector....only due to the concentration within the size of this scheme.....i am certain that some of these contractors probablt would go broke anywhere....but the rates were ludicrous

BTW Joffa, fix the thread title. Ain't gonna happen anymore.

They aren't really similar.

Insulation and Solar Schemes causing companies to go broke is because a natural cycle of creating a boom with Government investment in worthy projects, followed by the bust once those schemes are done. Solar Companies were in my not expert knowledge, hurt much more by the various State Government crackdowns on the Feed In Tarrifs that created the initial big boom in the first place. The FIT were so good that, far more people took them up than expected and they cost the state's much more money.

The NBN situation is a classic case of the fallacy of Private Sector "efficiency" failing by over promising and under delivering.

Instead of just having NBN run the build process, and have the workers as part of NBNco like the old days with Telecom and the PMG, it was put up to open tender for the private sector.

The private sector (in this case, Service Stream) came to NBNCo in the form of Syntheo, which is a company formed in a joint venture between Service Stream and Lend Lease), and tendered for the job.

That private company was then unable to do the work they said they could do. They were sub-contracting out to other companies who then sub-contracted it as well, each taking their own slice of the money, causing issues with hiring staff and getting the appropriate level of resources to do the job.

In the end, Syntheo had to hand back the Northern Territory NBN build for NBN to take over and do what it should have been doing all along which was build it itself.

This has cost Service Stream 100's of millions of dollars both in missed revenue and several million dollars direct penalties. The NBN is roughly have of Service Stream's revenue, and losing this contract caused their share price to collapse, like any other company who had half their revenue evaporate for fucking up would have happen. And obviously, this trickles down to all the sub-contractors.

Lend Lease on the other hand are a mega corporation for whom the NBN represents only a small part of their overall revenue.

If NBN had not been made to worship at the altar of the private sector, no private companies would have been involved, and no sub-contracting onions would have created a situation where failure like this could happen.

Edited by macktheknife: 10/7/2013 02:25:57 PM

No, the Greens will not side with the LNP, unless the ALP all of a sudden went more right wing than the LNP (which at this stage is nigh on impossible).

The Greens are the kid brother at the politics table screaming that they are important but everyone knows they have no real sway as they always go back to their big brother ALP. Sometimes they can be given a token gesture in policy consideration, but only if it suits Labors ideology too.

Greens hold the balance of power in the senate and ultimately decide what becomes law in this country.
#Argument invalidated

Honestly, this election will come down to two issues and the Greens will ultimately support labour on Both.

If it comes to another hung parliament and the greens are the decider the issues will be

1. Marriage equality and whether Rudd will bring it to the parliament or a referendum

2. asylum seekers and the best mental health processing policy.

Rudd just needs to keep things going forward for Australia and allow Abbott to shoot himself in the foot over some daft foot in mouth comment and Rudd's one of the people personality will overcome the LNP/ Katter party.

HOW IS THIS NEWS?!

Australia is a much nicer place to live in now that Gillard is no longer PM.

That is all.

Because Abbott was a successful health minister in Howard's highly successful government. He is establishing his credibility.

Whereas Rudd is the same old recycled failed leader dumped 3 years ago for "losing his way".

This is the same Tony Abbott who has allegedly abandoned his stance on gay marriage and abortion in order to win power. He can't exactly take the high road in a character assassination.

by what measures are we claiming that Abbott was a successful health minister in the most profligate government in Australian history?

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:lol:

Abbott seems the kind of politician that would have been very successful before the days of the internet, when fact checking bullshit like "the ALP is drowning small business in regulations" was near impossible.

http://larvatusprodeo.net/archives/2013/07/has-regulation-really-gotten-out-of-control-under-ruddgillard/

All conservatives would have been successful before the days of the internet and fact checking.

Problem is mainstream media don't pick up on stuff like this. That shit is too fucking nerdy. We need more 'foxy roxy' ads to drag in gutter breathing bogans who want to perve on hot chicks, not some fucking boring charts that no-one can understand. Same shit happens with the NBN. Tech writers are sideline, and instead we get idiots like in this article:
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/future-of-broadband-going-down-to-the-wire-20130702-2p9qq.html

I can't for the life of me figure out why anyone would waste money on giving a business law and taxation professor an article on the NBN.

It's like giving Craig Foster a brief to write about an AFL match.


Maybe he's a success because he had his power stripped by the Parliament over his inability to do his job as health minister because of his religious views?

Anyone think Abbott is a chance to be dislodged by Turnbull?

No chance

#ReTurnbull

No chance at all. Abbott's job is safe until after the election at worst.

Rudd at it again on instagram

http://instagram.com/p/bnKa2QMBeW/

Don't think Turnbull is popular within his own party, seen as a bit soft by some. Also lost points with the public due to his broadband policy.

Pretty much this.

Turnbull had public credibility only up until the point that he became Mr Broadband.

One on the right: 8/10 would bang.
One on the left: 7/10 still pretty cute would bang.

I guess when you're a 2, the pool of bangable women is pretty open.

Pretty much. :lol: It stretches from 0 to 10. \:d/

The party views him as too left for the party line. But he's someone who would legitimately lead the country. I think of they get rid of Abbott after the election Joe Hockey is likely to get the top job.

Rudd v Abbott = the failure v the hopeless.