Conversely, how much is the Liberal party costing us?

well for me it isn't the fact that they are Asylum seekers, it's more to do with securing our borders...... so right now i can here all the haters, like Matt and afro getting amped up and baying for blood.....

But border security is very important, i know immediately everyone will think border security means stopping terrorists or an invasion......but border security means so much more....like the delivery of pests & diseases. Especially prevalent when these boats are laiden with sick people seeds and vegies.....

I can't import pigs or poultry in Australia, due to quarantine regulations.....so far several of these vessels have arrived with livestock onboard.......which does create a bio security risk to our agriculture and horticulture industries......


#-o wait for the abuse.....any moment now....#-o :roll: :roll:

Far less than the ALP is costing us.......

The ego maniac strikes again trying to stroke his own ego and elevate his opinion of himself.......AUSTRALIA'S BIGGEST WANKER.................

Rudd's 'Kokoda survivor' claim rankles diggers
ninemsn staff 5:39am July 16, 2013

July 16, 2013: Kokoda diggers have lashed out at Prime Minister Kevin Rudd for saying he was a ‘survivor’ of Kokoda, labelling the remarks as insensitive.

Two Australian veterans who fought in Papua New Guinea during World War II have slammed Prime Minister Kevin Rudd's throwaway comment that he is a "survivor" of the Kokoda Track.

Mr Rudd walked the Track in 2006 with opposition treasury spokesman Joe Hockey as part of a television segment for Channel Seven.
At a joint press conference with PNG Prime Minister Peter O'Neill in Port Moresby yesterday, Mr Rudd acknowledged the 30,000 diggers who fought pitched battles against Japanese troops in horrendous conditions along the 100km Track in 1942.
Australian forces suffered more than 2200 casualties, including 625 deaths, with a further 4000 falling victim to tropical diseases.
Mr Rudd also acknowledged that more than 3000 Australian tourists each year follow in the soldiers' footsteps.
"I was one of them way back then and I am a survivor of the Kokoda Track," Mr Rudd said at his Moresby press conference.

Some felt those words were poorly chosen.
"It was a stupid thing to say, he wasn't there," 93-year-old veteran Bede Tongs, who won a Military Medal for single-handedly taking out a Japanese machine gun post at Templeton's Crossing in September 1942, told News Limited.
"Instead of saying stupid things he should spend more money on health and education for our friends in PNG.''
Len Griffiths, a former infantry Sergeant with the 3rd Militia Battalion, reportedly described Mr Rudd's comment as "disrespectful'' and "a bit dicey''.
The 91-year-old and his fellow diggers forced the Japanese troops' final retreat off PNG before raising the Australian flag in the village of Kokoda.
"He was lucky wasn't he," said Mr Griffiths when told about the PM's claim that he "survived" Kokoda.

Can't trust Labor on the economy either.

evidence please....statistics please.....
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I agree, quarantine issues are important. Defensive much?

Would be nice, although I doubt they will be forthcoming.

There's a lot of noise & bluster from the LNP about the economy, but very little substance to what they are going to do.

So far they have suggested cutting revenue streams and increasing spending for "incentives". Doesn't instil a whole lot of confidence.

well i agree with Abbott......i wouldn't release any of my policies until they name an election date....funny thing is the ALP quite often take on elements of the LNP policies and change them to look like a leftie policy then as per usual fuck up the implementation and follow through........but you know stats don't lie

they still rate the cane toad introduction as a success......got rid of all those frenchie beetles so stats say it was a huge success.........;) ;) ;)

Abbott has already released his policies.

Realsolutions.org.au

I don't understand why the focus on boat arrivals is on whether these people suit the legal definition of refugee or will they take our jobs or whatever. The focus should be stopping the boats to stop people trying to undertake this dangerous voyage. I keep hearing 'more illegal immigrants come by plane than by boat' as if that's a good reason to ignore boat arrivals. How many boats do you think we've never even heard about because they were lost at sea before getting anywhere near Australian waters? This is a dangerous practice and needs to be stopped on humanitarian grounds as much an anything else.
Seeking asylum is not a crime, but last I checked people smuggling is.

Agree.

That said, seeing vile people use the humanitarian angle as an argument when it's pretty clear that it's nothing to them other than a dog whistle is pretty grating.

Agree that the loss of life is the major reason to take action, but I'm also conflicted in that placing asylum seekers in terrible conditions for years on end also sounds cruel. But I guess a lesser of two evils approach has to be taken. On the whole turn back the boats issue, it is hardly an issue of impinging on Indonesia's sovereignty when the boats are Indonesian flagged and crewed by Indonesian people, if anything it could be seen as extraditing Indonesian criminals to face trafficking charges. The only issue in doing this is whether or not it is safe to do so, with Australia's border protection commander Rear Admiral David Johnston warning there were risks in turning back refugee boats due to the potential for passengers to sabotage vessels or threaten to harm themselves.

Oh and to be pedantic, people smuggling suggests these boats attempt to make it to Australia undetected which is just not the case, I prefer to use the term people traffickers.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-16/marty-natelegawa-says-indonesia-will-not-accept-boats-which-hav/4822114

Oh look, Indonesia says what everyone but Abbott said they would say.

they don't have an option....they can't refuse them being returned as they are from there own ports........it's just political rhetoric.......

it's been done before, it's done by another 10 nations in various locations around the world, it is actually SOP by most navies......

How are you going to force Indonesia to accept the tow backs?

they are not tow backs....they are turned around....they are returning from there port of origin, been done before, is done by the Sri lankan, US, japanese and many other navies, this is nothing new, it is SOP for many many navies

Okay, how are you going to force Indonesia to accept the "turn arounds"?

You can talk all you want about other countries but that's not the question.

It's all been done before.....Indonesia have to accept them bach, they are boats registered to there own ports......the captain is indonesian, the boat is indonesian registered, the crew are indonesian, they are for all intents and purposes returning home.......

and it's all been done before.........what's so hard for you to understand????

it's nothing new it is done all around the world.......there isn't a fucken toll booth out in the middle of the ocean....](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)

Indonesia's Foreign Minister just said they aren't going to accept boats being turned around.

How you are going to force Indonesia, who just had their foreign minister say they aren't going to accept turned around boats, to accept them?

LOL....you really aren't that bright are you......they can SAY whatever they like...it's just Rhetoric......there boats originate and are registered to Indonesian ports they can't stop them from entering....LOL......

they said the same under Howard but he had the balls to say fuck off they are your problem......

even the Navy say it's no drama.....we are not stopping them from leaving indonesian waters we are just stopping them from entering Australian waters.....

forget what i am silly yoyo the indonesian president says....howard sent them back and they have no recourse at all......

it's like their trawlers come into international water, and even sometimes into australian water and return all the time........same same mate.......

Of course they can stop them from entering. It's Indonesian territorial waters, they can do what they like, and can especially tell the Australian Navy to not move one inch into Indonesian waters.



And then they declare an emergency, start scuttling the ship or throwing people overboard = Australian Navy has to respond and rescue = No towing anywhere.



Four times.

But Indonesia just told Australia they aren't going to let it happen.

Tell me how you are going to force Indonesia to do something they don't want to do?

Oh look, Abbott can even make up his own idiocy.

Stole it from some moron in the UK.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jeremywarner/100003851/here-comes-the-next-bubble-carbon-trading/

Four times.

But Indonesia just told Australia they aren't going to let it happen.

Tell me how you are going to force Indonesia to do something they don't want to do?[/quote


don't worry you want to believe whatever you want to believe......

so be it....

If they were going to do this eventually anyway, doesn't that make the new ETS better for the planet? :-k

It's going to be much much harder for the LNP & News Limited to spin against the ETS, because it's killed the "great big tax" and now balances for families favourably against the Direct Action Tax.



I don't want to 'believe' anything.

I want your proof, what you think can be done to force Indonesia to accept boats that have been 'turned back'? :lol:

Edited by macktheknife: 16/7/2013 03:18:53 PM

The proof is that Indonesia has said this before....so there is one precedent and the other precedent is that Howard turned them back and they ALL returned to Indonesia......just because Indonesia say that doesn't mean shit....like it didn't mean shit when Gillard lied about the carbon tax....like it doesn't mean shit About Korea threatening to launch a Nuclear attack......it's just works you fucken tard.......that's what Rhetoric is...or do you need that to be explained to you?????

dumb arse.......




Edited by batfink: 16/7/2013 03:41:28 PM

So you're saying the Indonesians are lying when they say they aren't going to accept turn arounds now?



Apparently so.

So they are just going to magically allowed them back despite saying they aren't? That's just inventing an alternate reality and there's no point continuing further.

How can you say its "just rhetoric" :lol:

How do you know what they are planning?

Honestly no bullshit, do you have insiders on the Indo government? :lol:

Be interesting when Indonesia scuttles a boat but won't allow Australian Navy vessels into its waters to help them.

-PB

The crew of the boat will scuttle it the moment they know the Australian Navy has to rescue them.

Which is why tow backs won't work, because the only way a boat can be towed back is by an Australian ship, and the moment that ship comes close enough, they'll call distress, and then start to scuttle it.

It's a ludicrously stupid plan with flaws so big you can drive a supertanker through that will never work.

The problem is that the moment you accept that a refugee can get into the country and eventually stay here through coming on a boat, it means that the boat route becomes useful.

All you can do then as a Government is create policy that redirects those people to other entry avenues. Malaysia, Naaru, Christmas Island, excising the entire mainland of Australia, it's all a stopgap that doesn't really solve the problem of boat immigration (which is only one part of the entire immigration problem).

The only Real Solution (See what I did there?) is pulling the plug on any immigration at all via arriving on a boat. Which might violate treaties the nation has signed.

it's been done before simple fact........and Indonesia would be acting against international law to refuse their entry...... but moving right along

i agree on the change of policy.....and the first change would be that if you don't have a passport or legitimate ID papers on you , you are on the next plane home....simple as that