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afromanGT wrote:
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Beattie had a very good interview on 7:30 with Leigh Sales asking him these exact questions. He held up well to the scrutiny and explained his decision just fine.

Leigh Sales eh? But isn't she Labour biased according to batfink?

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the fact that she interviewed him regarding the appointment and didn't hammer him and question the whole decision could be what i am talking about.....??!?!??!?!?!?
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Joffa wrote:
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It's simple for me - Labour seems to have a vendetta against the mining industry (see that whole "New Way" ad and just general things I've read/heard). They don't get my vote.



I would really appreciate it if you could explain this line of thinking to me in greater detail.

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Rio Tinto pays no mining tax

BY:MATT CHAMBERS From: The Australian August 09, 2013 12:00AM

THE nation's biggest and most profitable iron ore miner, Rio Tinto, has paid no mining tax for the whole of the tax's first year, receiving an up to $74 million refund on the only quarterly payment it had paid.

The refund makes a budget forecast of $700m of 2013-14 Minerals Resource Rent Tax revenue this financial year, already slashed four times from a $4 billion estimate when the tax was introduced to Parliament, appear out of reach.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/rio-tinto-pays-no-mining-tax/story-fn59niix-1226693857717



it's not just an anti mining attitude...it's an anti business attitude.....
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zimbos_05 wrote:
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:lol: country of islam. Who nominated this dumb bitch?


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care to explain?????


I actually don't know what I said that. I was damn tired when I typed and for some reason I just felt the need to put your name.

let me edit.



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afromanGT wrote:
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How are they not paying this mining tax? I mean...how fucking big are these loopholes?


Pretty fucking big.

So instead of taxing the mining companies for shipping Australian resources and profits overseas we're giving them free money. Nice one, government.


yes this is correct.......Ross greenwood did a report on this and some companies are actually getting tax credits and instead of the Government collecting they are actually dropping huge chunks of revenue, not to mention the implementation costs of the tax...it is said they havent even gone close to recouping there cost's.....not surprising from this incompetent Government.....
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batfink wrote:
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Beattie had a very good interview on 7:30 with Leigh Sales asking him these exact questions. He held up well to the scrutiny and explained his decision just fine.

Leigh Sales eh? But isn't she Labour biased according to batfink?

canofworms.jpg

Edited by afromanGT: 10/8/2013 12:06:04 PM


the fact that she interviewed him regarding the appointment and didn't hammer him and question the whole decision could be what i am talking about.....??!?!??!?!?!?


She asked the question, she got an answer - one that made sense. He didn't back away from anything.

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/

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LEIGH SALES, PRESENTER: A short time ago I spoke to Labor's new candidate in Forde, the former Queensland Premier, Peter Beattie.

Peter Beattie, a little over two years ago you joined me on this program and I asked if you were keen to go into federal politics and you replied, "Leigh, I'm 58 years of age. I think that's a little bit too old to make a political comeback and there would be a funeral if that happened. It would be mine. I think my wife would murder me. I have no interest in going back into politics." Well, you're even older now and have the same wife. What's changed?

PETER BEATTIE, FORMER QUEENSLAND PREMIER: It took a good bottle of red wine and lot of soft talking to convince my wife to change her mind, but fortunately she did. Kevin rang me a few nights ago and we talked about whether I'd be prepared to run. I agreed to do that. One of the things, Leigh, that worries me is balance. I mean, I know we're talking about a federal election, but in Queensland - and this is one of the things that convinced me when I spoke to Kevin - is that in Queensland you've got an LNP government where there's only seven Labor members out of 89; Brisbane City Council is a Liberal National Party government. If Tony Abbott wins the federal election, you're gonna have wall-to-wall Liberal National Party governments, so where do you go if you're unhappy? And as the old Democrats used to have this slogan, Don Shipp, years ago, you've gotta "keep the bastards honest," well you've got to have some balance to keep 'em honest and that's why I agreed to run.

LEIGH SALES: Are you really prepared at age 60, after being Queensland Premier for a number of years, to serve on the Labor front or backbench in opposition in Canberra?

PETER BEATTIE: Look, when you commit to run, you run, and I think one of the benefits of being in government for some time is you learn and you learn from your mistakes, you learn from the good things you do and that's one of the, I think, things that I can bring.

LEIGH SALES: On numerous occasions in the past you've said that if Kevin Rudd replaced Julia Gillard as Prime Minister, it would be pointless because Labor wouldn't win the election. What has caused you to change your view on that?

PETER BEATTIE: Look, in the past I've had my criticism of Kevin. Everybody knows that. The one that you referred to was absolutely accurate. One of the things that impressed me in the call from Kevin a couple of night ago is that Kevin was prepared to put aside our differences, put aside our history and put Australia first.

LEIGH SALES: But at one point you thought that Kevin Rudd would not be able to win the election if he took over from Julia Gillard and replaced her.

PETER BEATTIE: That's true. That's true.

LEIGH SALES: So why have you changed your mind on that? Now you think it is winnable.

PETER BEATTIE: Well because circumstances have changed. The polls have changed. I think the exit of Julia Gillard from the political scene was done with dignity, it was done with respect and I think that has assisted the Labor campaign. At the end of it all, the political polls speak for themselves. I do think we can win, but I think we've got a really tough fight. This is not easy. I think Tony Abbott's got his nose ahead, but I think we can come back.

LEIGH SALES: Do you still believe that Kevin Rudd has a propensity for self-destruction, as you wrote in September 2011?

PETER BEATTIE: Look, I think we all do. One of the important things that Kevin, I think, has done is learn, learn from those experiences. We all learn from them. The important thing is that we grow as we do it. I've been out of public office for six years. I learnt from my mistakes. I think Kevin has and I think he's better for it.

LEIGH SALES: You have also written, again, a couple of years ago, of Kevin Rudd, that no-one should ever forget the damage he has done. Have you forgotten it?

PETER BEATTIE: Look, I think the important thing is this: - and yes, I did write that, you're right. But what's important is that Kevin was prepared to put all that aside and he showed real leadership by forgetting about all the arrows or slings and arrows of outrageous fortune and think of what's good for the Government, what's good for Australia.

LEIGH SALES: But I just wonder if it's prudent for you to put that aside given some of the concerns you've raised about his behaviour in the past?

PETER BEATTIE: Look, I think that bearing in mind, if you like, the common sense and leadership that Kevin Rudd showed, I was prepared to respond in kind, because I think Australians are just - as I said before, Leigh, they just had a gutful of warring, squabbling politicians who've got nothing better to do than backbite. Well Kevin showed he was prepared to put that aside, the differences we've had over a long period of time. And I woulda been pretty petty if I wasn't prepared to do the same thing.

LEIGH SALES: As pretty much a life-long member of the Labor Party ...

PETER BEATTIE: I am a life member of the Labor Party.

LEIGH SALES: Are you comfortable with the party's current policy on asylum seekers, the decision that anybody who comes here via boat, even if they're a legitimate refugee, even if they're a child, will never be settled in Australia?

PETER BEATTIE: Look, can I tell you what's always worried me about refugees and that's queue jumpers. I mean, there are lot of very genuine refugees out there who are seeking to be processed in the right way and I've always felt concerned that we've had people smugglers who have been trying to use people, some of whom have been coming here for commercial reasons - and that's fair enough, or economic reasons. I understand why people would want to do that. But to jump the genuine refugees who have been waiting in process, I've always had a problem with that.

LEIGH SALES: So you are comfortable with that policy?

PETER BEATTIE: Look, everybody - and I'm one of the people - of course I squirm about it. Of course I think, "Ohh, I wish there was a better was to do it." But I can't think of a better way to do it. No, I don't like it, but I can't think of a better way to do it and it's the right policy.

LEIGH SALES: Peter Beattie, thank you very much for your time today.

PETER BEATTIE: Thanks, Leigh.

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batfink wrote:
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How are they not paying this mining tax? I mean...how fucking big are these loopholes?


Pretty fucking big.

So instead of taxing the mining companies for shipping Australian resources and profits overseas we're giving them free money. Nice one, government.


yes this is correct.......Ross greenwood did a report on this and some companies are actually getting tax credits and instead of the Government collecting they are actually dropping huge chunks of revenue, not to mention the implementation costs of the tax...it is said they havent even gone close to recouping there cost's.....not surprising from this incompetent Government.....


This is a valid criticism of what happens in a hung parliament.

A policy comes through that makes fiscal sense, then those with vested interests whittle it down and whittle it down until it's a complete shadow of the original intent.
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batfink tries to use it against Labor, not realising that every single MP was involved in fucking up the mining tax.
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Leigh Sales' questions may as well have been written by Anthony Albanese.
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afromanGT wrote:
batfink tries to use it against Labor, not realising that every single MP was involved in fucking up the mining tax.


:-s :-s let me get this right.....the ALP,the greens and the independants have the balance of power and can do whatever they want and the opposition have not the numbers to block.....and that makes it the LNP fault???????

novel idea, nice try but it is the Governments fault....they have introduced a poor bit of legislation they have the numbers to pass it, it is far more likely that the greens and the independants did not support it.......
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notorganic wrote:
batfink wrote:
afromanGT wrote:
notor wrote:
Beattie had a very good interview on 7:30 with Leigh Sales asking him these exact questions. He held up well to the scrutiny and explained his decision just fine.

Leigh Sales eh? But isn't she Labour biased according to batfink?

canofworms.jpg

Edited by afromanGT: 10/8/2013 12:06:04 PM


the fact that she interviewed him regarding the appointment and didn't hammer him and question the whole decision could be what i am talking about.....??!?!??!?!?!?


She asked the question, she got an answer - one that made sense. He didn't back away from anything.

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/

Quote:
LEIGH SALES, PRESENTER: A short time ago I spoke to Labor's new candidate in Forde, the former Queensland Premier, Peter Beattie.

Peter Beattie, a little over two years ago you joined me on this program and I asked if you were keen to go into federal politics and you replied, "Leigh, I'm 58 years of age. I think that's a little bit too old to make a political comeback and there would be a funeral if that happened. It would be mine. I think my wife would murder me. I have no interest in going back into politics." Well, you're even older now and have the same wife. What's changed?

PETER BEATTIE, FORMER QUEENSLAND PREMIER: It took a good bottle of red wine and lot of soft talking to convince my wife to change her mind, but fortunately she did. Kevin rang me a few nights ago and we talked about whether I'd be prepared to run. I agreed to do that. One of the things, Leigh, that worries me is balance. I mean, I know we're talking about a federal election, but in Queensland - and this is one of the things that convinced me when I spoke to Kevin - is that in Queensland you've got an LNP government where there's only seven Labor members out of 89; Brisbane City Council is a Liberal National Party government. If Tony Abbott wins the federal election, you're gonna have wall-to-wall Liberal National Party governments, so where do you go if you're unhappy? And as the old Democrats used to have this slogan, Don Shipp, years ago, you've gotta "keep the bastards honest," well you've got to have some balance to keep 'em honest and that's why I agreed to run.

LEIGH SALES: Are you really prepared at age 60, after being Queensland Premier for a number of years, to serve on the Labor front or backbench in opposition in Canberra?

PETER BEATTIE: Look, when you commit to run, you run, and I think one of the benefits of being in government for some time is you learn and you learn from your mistakes, you learn from the good things you do and that's one of the, I think, things that I can bring.

LEIGH SALES: On numerous occasions in the past you've said that if Kevin Rudd replaced Julia Gillard as Prime Minister, it would be pointless because Labor wouldn't win the election. What has caused you to change your view on that?

PETER BEATTIE: Look, in the past I've had my criticism of Kevin. Everybody knows that. The one that you referred to was absolutely accurate. One of the things that impressed me in the call from Kevin a couple of night ago is that Kevin was prepared to put aside our differences, put aside our history and put Australia first.

LEIGH SALES: But at one point you thought that Kevin Rudd would not be able to win the election if he took over from Julia Gillard and replaced her.

PETER BEATTIE: That's true. That's true.

LEIGH SALES: So why have you changed your mind on that? Now you think it is winnable.

PETER BEATTIE: Well because circumstances have changed. The polls have changed. I think the exit of Julia Gillard from the political scene was done with dignity, it was done with respect and I think that has assisted the Labor campaign. At the end of it all, the political polls speak for themselves. I do think we can win, but I think we've got a really tough fight. This is not easy. I think Tony Abbott's got his nose ahead, but I think we can come back.

LEIGH SALES: Do you still believe that Kevin Rudd has a propensity for self-destruction, as you wrote in September 2011?

PETER BEATTIE: Look, I think we all do. One of the important things that Kevin, I think, has done is learn, learn from those experiences. We all learn from them. The important thing is that we grow as we do it. I've been out of public office for six years. I learnt from my mistakes. I think Kevin has and I think he's better for it.

LEIGH SALES: You have also written, again, a couple of years ago, of Kevin Rudd, that no-one should ever forget the damage he has done. Have you forgotten it?

PETER BEATTIE: Look, I think the important thing is this: - and yes, I did write that, you're right. But what's important is that Kevin was prepared to put all that aside and he showed real leadership by forgetting about all the arrows or slings and arrows of outrageous fortune and think of what's good for the Government, what's good for Australia.

LEIGH SALES: But I just wonder if it's prudent for you to put that aside given some of the concerns you've raised about his behaviour in the past?

PETER BEATTIE: Look, I think that bearing in mind, if you like, the common sense and leadership that Kevin Rudd showed, I was prepared to respond in kind, because I think Australians are just - as I said before, Leigh, they just had a gutful of warring, squabbling politicians who've got nothing better to do than backbite. Well Kevin showed he was prepared to put that aside, the differences we've had over a long period of time. And I woulda been pretty petty if I wasn't prepared to do the same thing.

LEIGH SALES: As pretty much a life-long member of the Labor Party ...

PETER BEATTIE: I am a life member of the Labor Party.

LEIGH SALES: Are you comfortable with the party's current policy on asylum seekers, the decision that anybody who comes here via boat, even if they're a legitimate refugee, even if they're a child, will never be settled in Australia?

PETER BEATTIE: Look, can I tell you what's always worried me about refugees and that's queue jumpers. I mean, there are lot of very genuine refugees out there who are seeking to be processed in the right way and I've always felt concerned that we've had people smugglers who have been trying to use people, some of whom have been coming here for commercial reasons - and that's fair enough, or economic reasons. I understand why people would want to do that. But to jump the genuine refugees who have been waiting in process, I've always had a problem with that.

LEIGH SALES: So you are comfortable with that policy?

PETER BEATTIE: Look, everybody - and I'm one of the people - of course I squirm about it. Of course I think, "Ohh, I wish there was a better was to do it." But I can't think of a better way to do it. No, I don't like it, but I can't think of a better way to do it and it's the right policy.

LEIGH SALES: Peter Beattie, thank you very much for your time today.

PETER BEATTIE: Thanks, Leigh.




C'Mon Matt....she is nowhere near her best....she is like a kitten with him compared to others....this is the ABC trying to restore parity against Murdoch
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batfink wrote:
C'Mon Matt....she is nowhere near her best....she is like a kitten with him compared to others....this is the ABC trying to restore parity against Murdoch


She reminds him at least 4 times that he has said things about Kevin Rudd that appear contradictory to their new partnership. What more do you want?
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[youtube]Vn_YJj-U7Eo[/youtube]

I wonder which of these speeches was the "carefully crafted" communication that should be taken as "the gospel truth"

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batfink wrote:
Joffa wrote:
pv4 wrote:

It's simple for me - Labour seems to have a vendetta against the mining industry (see that whole "New Way" ad and just general things I've read/heard). They don't get my vote.



I would really appreciate it if you could explain this line of thinking to me in greater detail.

Quote:
Rio Tinto pays no mining tax

BY:MATT CHAMBERS From: The Australian August 09, 2013 12:00AM

THE nation's biggest and most profitable iron ore miner, Rio Tinto, has paid no mining tax for the whole of the tax's first year, receiving an up to $74 million refund on the only quarterly payment it had paid.

The refund makes a budget forecast of $700m of 2013-14 Minerals Resource Rent Tax revenue this financial year, already slashed four times from a $4 billion estimate when the tax was introduced to Parliament, appear out of reach.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/rio-tinto-pays-no-mining-tax/story-fn59niix-1226693857717



it's not just an anti mining attitude...it's an anti business attitude.....



So the ALP is anti business, care to explain?
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I lobe how they try and pin the 4 deaths on the government :lol:

-PB

https://i.imgur.com/batge7K.jpg

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notorganic wrote:
[youtube]Vn_YJj-U7Eo[/youtube]

I wonder which of these speeches was the "carefully crafted" communication that should be taken as "the gospel truth"

Edited by notorganic: 10/8/2013 04:20:07 PM

Oh my.
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notorganic wrote:
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C'Mon Matt....she is nowhere near her best....she is like a kitten with him compared to others....this is the ABC trying to restore parity against Murdoch


She reminds him at least 4 times that he has said things about Kevin Rudd that appear contradictory to their new partnership. What more do you want?


well Matt...i'd say it has to do with the tone of your voice and you demeanor when you ask the question.....she is all chummy and buddy buddy, not agressive and pointed as usual.....

anyway it's opinion and also subjective...how i see thing and how you see things are obviously different......
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paulbagzFC wrote:
I lobe how they try and pin the 4 deaths on the government :lol:

-PB



Paully...the NECA (National Electrical & Communications Association) wrote to the then minister Peter Garrett and put before the Government a report on the dangers and what procedures might be necessary for these types of works within domestic ceilings to minimise OHS risks and get the procedures right....we were politely told our services were not required.....all we wanted to do was get it right....imagine insulation installers crawling around ceiling with the power on, with many power and light circuits that are not protected by ELCB/RCD circuit breakers using staple guns to fix foil and glass insulation??!!??!?? recipe for disaster....and that's what we got......

THEN AFTER the deaths and fires Peter Garrett approaches NECA and requests assistance....which of course we provided.....so you can say what you like...in many ways they are to blame....


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Joffa wrote:
batfink wrote:
Joffa wrote:
pv4 wrote:

It's simple for me - Labour seems to have a vendetta against the mining industry (see that whole "New Way" ad and just general things I've read/heard). They don't get my vote.



I would really appreciate it if you could explain this line of thinking to me in greater detail.

Quote:
Rio Tinto pays no mining tax

BY:MATT CHAMBERS From: The Australian August 09, 2013 12:00AM

THE nation's biggest and most profitable iron ore miner, Rio Tinto, has paid no mining tax for the whole of the tax's first year, receiving an up to $74 million refund on the only quarterly payment it had paid.

The refund makes a budget forecast of $700m of 2013-14 Minerals Resource Rent Tax revenue this financial year, already slashed four times from a $4 billion estimate when the tax was introduced to Parliament, appear out of reach.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/rio-tinto-pays-no-mining-tax/story-fn59niix-1226693857717



it's not just an anti mining attitude...it's an anti business attitude.....



So the ALP is anti business, care to explain?


well they certainly aren't pro business that's for sure....they are dragging us down with red tape, compliance issues,new taxes and industrial relations that are not balanced
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batfink wrote:
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batfink tries to use it against Labor, not realising that every single MP was involved in fucking up the mining tax.


:-s :-s let me get this right.....the ALP,the greens and the independants have the balance of power and can do whatever they want and the opposition have not the numbers to block.....and that makes it the LNP fault???????

novel idea, nice try but it is the Governments fault....they have introduced a poor bit of legislation they have the numbers to pass it, it is far more likely that the greens and the independants did not support it.......

They might have the majority required to pass a bill is different to the majority required to form government. Also, the independents didn't all form consensus with Labor on the bill. Do you think that Bob Katter was going to vote for that?
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You keep saying "we" batfink, is insulation schemes the multi million dollar company that your ran?

Still don't know how common sense didn't kick in when people are nailing aluminium sheets near live electrical wires.

-PB

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You keep saying "we" batfink, is insulation schemes the multi million dollar company that your ran?

Why do you think the scheme failed? :lol:
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afromanGT wrote:
batfink wrote:
afromanGT wrote:
batfink tries to use it against Labor, not realising that every single MP was involved in fucking up the mining tax.


:-s :-s let me get this right.....the ALP,the greens and the independants have the balance of power and can do whatever they want and the opposition have not the numbers to block.....and that makes it the LNP fault???????

novel idea, nice try but it is the Governments fault....they have introduced a poor bit of legislation they have the numbers to pass it, it is far more likely that the greens and the independants did not support it.......

They might have the majority required to pass a bill is different to the majority required to form government. Also, the independents didn't all form consensus with Labor on the bill. Do you think that Bob Katter was going to vote for that?



fully aware of that....do you realise that there is a reason WHY key independants and the greens would not vote for that??????? so easy to default blame to the opposition.......




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paulbagzFC wrote:
You keep saying "we" batfink, is insulation schemes the multi million dollar company that your ran?

Still don't know how common sense didn't kick in when people are nailing aluminium sheets near live electrical wires.

-PB


i am a member of NECA have been for 20 years.... we met every month and formulate policy for our industry
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batfink wrote:
afromanGT wrote:
batfink wrote:
afromanGT wrote:
batfink tries to use it against Labor, not realising that every single MP was involved in fucking up the mining tax.


:-s :-s let me get this right.....the ALP,the greens and the independants have the balance of power and can do whatever they want and the opposition have not the numbers to block.....and that makes it the LNP fault???????

novel idea, nice try but it is the Governments fault....they have introduced a poor bit of legislation they have the numbers to pass it, it is far more likely that the greens and the independants did not support it.......

They might have the majority required to pass a bill is different to the majority required to form government. Also, the independents didn't all form consensus with Labor on the bill. Do you think that Bob Katter was going to vote for that?



fully aware of that....do you realise that there is a reason WHY key independants and the greens would not vote for that??????? so easy to default blame to the opposition.......

I didn't blame the opposition. I clearly stated the onus was on every single Member.

Batfink having a comprehension problem? THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE!!
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afromanGT wrote:
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You keep saying "we" batfink, is insulation schemes the multi million dollar company that your ran?

Why do you think the scheme failed? :lol:


wow..... because of bad planning and management.....on a real basic level.......

to be good at something you have to be across all aspects of it....the vision, the goal, the delivery and an outcome........i just find on a few occasions that i have been involved in...the insulation scheme, the solar scheme and the BER scheme they were hastily prepared ill advised and poorly executed and i have been involved in all of them...so i pulled out early and survived they cost me dearly and fuck yeah i am bitter about the treatment and outcome.....
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afromanGT wrote:
batfink wrote:
afromanGT wrote:
batfink wrote:
afromanGT wrote:
batfink tries to use it against Labor, not realising that every single MP was involved in fucking up the mining tax.


:-s :-s let me get this right.....the ALP,the greens and the independants have the balance of power and can do whatever they want and the opposition have not the numbers to block.....and that makes it the LNP fault???????

novel idea, nice try but it is the Governments fault....they have introduced a poor bit of legislation they have the numbers to pass it, it is far more likely that the greens and the independants did not support it.......

They might have the majority required to pass a bill is different to the majority required to form government. Also, the independents didn't all form consensus with Labor on the bill. Do you think that Bob Katter was going to vote for that?



fully aware of that....do you realise that there is a reason WHY key independants and the greens would not vote for that??????? so easy to default blame to the opposition.......

I didn't blame the opposition. I clearly stated the onus was on every single Member.

Batfink having a comprehension problem? THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE!!



listen let's just keep it civil please........ i comprehend...absolutely i do......

however the ALP...the greens...the key independants...all agreed to form Government...why ?????

because we are led to believe they are all on the same page, have the same plan - direction-road map of what the nation requires...?!??!??!? so they enter into an agreement to form Government and when push comes to shove they can't agree on policy......

so who's fault is that??????? they all sat around and agreed they had a plan for Australia and could work through their differences and legislate for the Nation.........and guess what???????they must have been lying.....who would have thought:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
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batfink wrote:
because we are led to believe they are all on the same page, have the same plan - direction-road map of what the nation requires...?!??!??!?


This seems like an odd conclusion to draw.
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why the fuck... do you persist...to type like this..? You always use too many emoticons :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: ... and too much punctuation!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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433 wrote:
why the fuck... do you persist...to type like this..? You always use too many emoticons :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: ... and too much punctuation!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Because batfink in all his eternal wisdom and knowledge hasn't worked out the function of a comma. He doens't use too much punctuation, he just can't work out anything that isn't an ellipsis.
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because we are led to believe they are all on the same page, have the same plan - direction-road map of what the nation requires...?!??!??!? so they enter into an agreement to form Government and when push comes to shove they can't agree on policy......

That's just stupid. If the Greens and independents had the same policies and vision for the country as the Labor party then they would BE IN the Labor party.

They formed government with Labor because Labor made them certain deals, it's surely not too complicated for you to understand that these deals and other Labor policies may potentially be conflicting.

And then you're going to turn around and say "Oh, well they shouldn't have formed government". Yeah, because the Labor party is going to give up at forming government because one in four of their policies are different. The Liberal party would be EXACTLY THE SAME any way.
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don't talk sense to finky afro .
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