but but but the ads said they would affect the average joe . and also the libs said it would effect us as well and we all know they dont lie

the first thing that popped into my head was Carter Peweterschmidt as Joe Workingman in Family Guy :lol:

I don't like him mate, he's an egotistical self-driven douche. I just know he's the lesser of two evils :lol:

Keep trying boys. There's definitely a feeling in the community that it is sick of all the Labor lies, spin and mismanagement of the last six years. I think people want change and will toss out a bad government on 07/09. Doesn't matter if it's Rudd or Gillard, you still get Labor.

Teehee batfink said ballbagz har har.

-PB

Sick of labour lies ? According to whom ?

And which lies would they be then?

I honestly do not know what planet do you inhabit; you are commenting on political matters and have not noticed something so obvious over last six years, how can you even ask what Labor lies, with a straight face?

How about this for a start:

:-# There will be no carbon tax, the most important task our nation is facing in the future that is now reversed and not so important.
:-# There will be Budget surplus that turned out to be 30 Billion in the red.
:-# How about illegal boat arrivals and overseas processing centers that was so cruel that is now adopted by Labor.
:-# Chris Bowen our new treasurer his campaign posters do not even mention Labor party on them, why is he ashamed of the fact he is a Labor candidate or is he deliberately conning voters?
:-# Kevin Rudd accused Tony Abbot of increasing GST fact that was denied.
:-# In Kingsford Smith electorate LNP is accused of privatizing hospitals, selling parks… all state government and council matters.
:-# Kevin Rudd’s debate notes, I did not know I’m not allowed to have notes, rule no 12 of rules set by both parties.

My question to all the people that can vote on this forum is: if someone sold you a lemon for a car four or five times before how can you go back and buy another car from them?

Happy voting

Because the other prick is selling cars without wheels or an engine.

-PB

The other guy is selling a slower car for 90% of the price.

Reading this topic confirms why I don't talk about politics

Car was once broken and kicked out of NSW parliament now he is our foreign minister thanks to Labor.
Thank God rest of Australia is not as easy fooled like you are
Ok lies topic not important any more, good strategy comrades change topic and now talk about NB, how many of you got the NB check the connection numbers, well below the estimates, or did Kev and Albo tell you all good and Rock n Roll, we will be all 100 before half of us got connected.
Go to Michael Smith News .com and have a look how the NB connection is going in Kiama. Another Labor disaster.

Most of those aren't even lies you muppet.

But see you're whining about Labor and their mistakes, not about how good the Libs policies are (because there has been jack shit information on them).

I would vote for the policies I can see, not the ones I can't.

-PB

I love how the Libs are citing quotes from 2011 (prior to the second economic downturn) when referring to returning the budget to surplus in 2013.

True, some of them are Labor fkups.

It is incredibly short-sighted to vote Liberal. You'll regret the fact you did so when they are in government.

Edited by 433: 17/8/2013 08:21:50 PM

I can still win, Kevin Rudd declares, despite lagging in marginal seats


August 17, 2013
Deborah Snow, Dan Harrison

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd won't be told he can't win this federal election despite polling commissioned by Fairfax Media in four hotly-contested Sydney seats shows ALP candidates lagging their Coalition rivals in three of them, with Tony Abbott trumping Mr Rudd as preferred Prime Minister.

Mr Rudd gave a passionate speech to Holden workers in Adelaide on Saturday, saying it was not over yet for Labor and its plans to boost the car making industry.

''I've been in a few tough spots before and I've managed to fight my way forward,'' he said.

''I intend to fight my way forward again and part of the motivation for fighting my way forward is looking in the faces of you as good, honest, ordinary Australian families doing an honest day’s work, producing the cars that Australians want to drive.

''That's why we're not going to be told we can't win this election.''

According to the poll, in the seat of McMahon, held by one of Labor's star performers, Treasurer Chris Bowen, Labor is behind the Coalition on a two-party preferred basis by 47 to 53 per cent.

In John Howard's old seat of Bennelong, snatched by Liberal John Alexander in 2010, Labor’s recently installed candidate Jason Yat-Sen Li is failing to deliver, trailing Mr Alexander with 35 per cent to his rival’s 65 per cent on a two-party preferred basis.

It is a similar story in Kingsford Smith, vacated by Peter Garrett, where Labor’s Matt Thistlethwhaite, who stepped down from the Senate to contest the seat, is lagging his rival by 48 to 52 per cent.

Of the four electorates tested by Reachtel on the night of August 15, only Jason Clare’s seat of Blaxland holds any good news for Labor, with the Justice and Home Affairs Minister pegging ahead of Liberal Anthony Khouri by 52 to 48 per cent.

But shadow treasurer Joe Hockey brushed off suggestions the poll meant the Coalition was now a shoo-in to form government, but he warned the government would now run ''the most negative campaign seen in Australian politics''.

''Kevin Rudd is going to get nasty. The Labor Party are going to get nasty. They are going to be nasty towards Tony Abbott, they are going to get nasty towards the Coalition,'' he told reporters in Sydney.

The sampling of more than 600 residents in each seat also gave the coveted preferred prime minister spot to Mr Abbott, though by a far wider margin in Bennelong than the other three electorates.

The Reachtel results in the four electorates also reveal that while Labor's hardline PNG solution might have allowed it to make up ground on the handling of asylum-seekers, it still lags the Coalition as best-placed to handle this issue.

The decision to topple Julia Gillard and reinstate Mr Rudd as Prime Minister was only supported by 30.8 per cent of respondents in Bennelong, 47.7 per cent in Blaxland, 39.6 per cent in Kingsford Smith and 47.3 per cent in McMahon, though a sizeable minority in all four remained undecided.

But Mr Bowen said on Saturday that his rivals were ''sadly mistaken'' if they thought they had the election was in the bag.

''I am very certain that Labor is very competitive in this tight race; I'm very certain there’s a long way to go in this tight race,'' he said.

''This election campaign just just about half way through - a long way to go.''

Mr Bowen said he had no regrets about leading the push to dump Julia Gillard as prime minister.

''Kevin Rudd is a fantastic prime minister and I believe he can lead Labor to victory in this election,'' he said.

Federal Environment Minister Mark Butler has been commandeered to join Mr Rudd's road team as link man to improve lines of communication between the two camps.

Former Labor powerbroker Graham Richardson also slammed Labor's campaign this week as a slow-moving ''shambles'' while former NSW Labor minister John Della Bosca, a one-time state secretary of the party, said there was a lot of '' froth and bubble'' around Mr Rudd's media appearances but the party had failed to communicate its '' new way''.

In the Queensland seat of Forde, polling for the Australian Financial Review has revealed that Labor's star candidate there, onetime state premier and party titan Peter Beattie, is also markedly trailing the incumbent Coalition member Bert van Manen.

In an interview last week, Mr Rudd was asked what he would do if he lost the election. He replied, ''I don't intend to.''

with Daniel Hurst, Heath Aston and AAP

http://www.dailylife.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/i-can-still-win-kevin-rudd-declares-despite-lagging-in-marginal-seats-20130816-2s2m6.html

Labor facing wipeout in key South Australian seats

NATIONAL POLITICAL EDITOR SAMANTHA MAIDEN SUNDAY MAIL (SA) AUGUST 18, 2013 1:00AM

LABOR is gone in the western suburbs seat of Hindmarsh and will struggle to hold the seats of Makin, Adelaide and even the once-safe seat of Wakefield as Kevin Rudd’s support tanks in South Australia amid a seemingly irreversible ­national swing towards the Coalition.

Both Labor and Liberal strategists have told the Sunday Mail they do not believe that Steve Georganas can hold the marginal seat of Hindmarsh, and internal Liberal Party polling has found that Makin, Adelaide and Wakefield are now up for grabs.

The southern Liberal seat of Boothby - one of the key seats Labor had to win to form government - is not rated a chance of changing hands by either side of politics.

Senior Liberals are now confident of picking up at least two seats in SA, with their polling showing the most likely scalps are Mr Georganas and Wakefield’s Nick Champion, who has been hit hard by ­Kevin Rudd’s decision to fiddle with fringe benefit taxes on cars.

Less likely to fall but still in play are Labor frontbencher Kate Ellis’s seat of Adelaide and the seat of Makin held by Rudd backer Tony Zappia.


Acknowledging his campaign is in trouble, Kevin Mr Rudd yesterday reminded voters he managed to claw his way back to the prime ministership and could do the same again.

In one of his most impassioned performances of the campaign, Mr Rudd addressed Holden workers at a barbecue BBQ in Salisbury to announce $2 billion in subsidies for the car industry until 2025.

Mr Rudd mistakenly referred to workers “here at Ford” but corrected himself to say Holden.

He then turned to the question of his poll slide, saying i was too early for people to write off Labor.

“Some people are saying that in this election we’ve got our backs against the wall,” he said. “You know something, I’ve been in a few tough spots ­before, a few of them, and I’ve managed to fight my way ­forward.”

But an exclusive Galaxy poll conducted for the Sunday Mail underlines Labor’s fears of a wipe-out, with primary support for the ALP crashing to just 36 per cent after two weeks of campaigning.

A clear trend has emerged with Labor’s primary vote dropping by four points in the past three polls to 36 per cent - lower than the vote delivered by Julia Gillard during the 2010 election.

Primary support for the Coalition is rock solid nationally at 45 per cent. On a two-party-preferred basis, Tony Abbott would win the September 7 election according to the poll in with a 52:48 result, accord­ing to the poll.

The trend has been confirmed elsewhere, with a picture fast emerging of a national Coalition landslide. Polls conducted by Fairfax newspapers in the past 36 hours have shown that former Queensland premier Peter Beattie has no chance of a comeback and Treasurer Chris Bowen and Assistant Treasurer David Bradbury will lose their seats in western Sydney.

“Everyone has been writing off South Australia. They shouldn’t be,’’ a senior Liberal source said.

“Kevin Rudd’s FBT policy is the most extreme example of self-harm on the eve of an election we’ve ever seen.”

The Sunday Mail understands that Coalition polling has found that Tony Mr Abbott has emerged as the preferred prime minister in the four seats, four SA seats in play, surprising pollsters and suggesting a hometown loyalty to dumped prime minister Julia Gillard.

The Coalition believes that Tony Mr Abbott’s vote in SA was kept artificially low in 2010 because of strong affection for Ms ­Gillard in SA and a lack of campaign cash to fund an aggressive push in the state.

One senior Labor source said the ALP was in trouble in SA but insisted the only seat likely to fall was Hindmarsh.

“If any seat is likely to fall it is Hindmarsh. The older voters and the Greeks don’t like the same-sex marriage stuff,” the source said.

“I think the fact Kevin Rudd is here tells you that we are not going as well.

“We now need Abbott to do a Hewson. He needs to make a fundamental policy blunder.”

Labor is also facing an internal backlash after the ALP executive agreed on Friday night to a preference deal with the Greens, which that it hopes may ­assist in some marginal seats.

Defying Mr Abbott’s call to “be a man” and put the Greens last, the ALP will stitch up a deal with the Greens in every state other than except Queensland, where it will put Bob Katter ­before the Greens.

But many Labor MPs believe it could backfire with by ­making Mr Rudd looking like he is hopping into bed with the Greens again.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/special-features/labor-facing-wipeout-in-key-south-australian-seats/story-fnho52jj-1226699281422

Working mums to get up to $75,000 paid maternity leave under Coalition

SAMANTHA MAIDEN SUNDAY HERALD SUN AUGUST 18, 2013 12:00AM

EXCLUSIVE: EVERY working woman in Australia will secure six months' leave on full pay when they have a baby from July 1, 2015, under an Abbott government.

Tony Abbott will today unveil his big pitch to families - a generous paid parental leave scheme that will also deliver dads two weeks' paternity leave at their actual salary and mums up to 26 weeks' leave on full pay.

The cost will be $5.5 billion a year, to be funded by a levy on big business and savings elsewhere.

Women earning $65,000 a year would secure about $32,000 under the plan - an extra $20,000 compared to Labor's plan. Those earning up to $150,000 could secure up to $75,000.

The Coalition vow to also pay super entitlements during maternity leave will see a mum of two on average earnings $50,000 better off at retirement.

An exclusive Galaxy poll published in the Sunday Herald Sun today suggests the policy is a winner, with 44 per cent of voters backing Mr Abbott's paid parental leave scheme compared to 36 per cent who preferred Labor's existing scheme.

Mr Abbott said he made no apology for offering such a generous scheme to working women. The father of three confirmed he hoped it would deliver women more choice to have more kids.

"Every working mum is going to be better off under our policy," Mr Abbott told the Sunday Herald Sun.

"It proves that the Coalition 'gets it' when it comes to the reality of the contemporary woman and the contemporary family."

The Coalition's offer of six months on full pay contrasts with Labor's existing scheme, which offers all working women 18 weeks' pay at the minimum wage only - a maximum of $11,200.

During the Howard government, Mr Abbott famously said paid parental leave would happen "over this government's dead body, frankly".

But in 2009, he released his book Battlelines, which confirmed his views had "evolved" on the issue.

"I want it to be a signature policy for an incoming Coalition government," Mr Abbott said.

"The National Health and Medical Research Commission recommends that mothers should breastfeed their baby for six months. While it's certainly possible to breastfeed babies while you are at work, I think six months (is good)."

The scheme, which has been fully costed by the independent Parliamentary Budget Office, will involve a net additional cost to taxpayers of $6.1 billion over the forward estimates.

But that's after Mr Abbott hits 3000 of Australia's largest companies with a 1.5 per cent tax levy to pay for the scheme.

Companies with taxable incomes of more than $5 million will pay a big slice of the cost of baby leave for working women.

But Mr Abbott conceded the ultimate goal of dumping the levy and funding the scheme out of the budget had no timeframe.

"Given the budgetary position we are in, I don't expect that to happen any time soon." he said.

Small business will not pay the cost of the scheme but will reap the benefits with the government paying their staff six months' pay when they have a baby.

"This is about making it easier for the modern family to have kids - no doubt about that," Mr Abbott said.

While critics had suggested the scheme would deliver windfalls of up to $75,000 to high-income women, Mr Abbott said that the biggest gains were for women on average earnings.

"If you are on average weekly earnings you will be $20,000-plus better off under our policy. If you are on the minimum award rate you will be about $7000 better off under our policy."

Mr Abbott said the scheme would also offer dads time off with new babies.

"We continue to allow dads to take up to two weeks. And of course if the father is the principal carer the father can take the six months. But he can only take the six months off at the woman's salary," he said.

Public servants will not be able to double-dip under the scheme, with Mr Abbott planning to offset the cost.

"This will be a substantial saving to the states because effectively the Commonwealth will be taking over the parental leave responsibilities of the states.

We would expect to sit down with the states and negotiate a fair funding arrangement that will recognise the fact we have effectively relieved them of several hundred millions of dollars of obligations," Mr Abbott said.


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/working-mums-to-get-up-to-75000-paid-maternity-leave-under-coalition/story-fni0fiyv-1226699056687

Gee that sounds like a great big tax on business to me.

Abbott's new paid baby leave;



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

-PB

If you look carefully at the front cover of today's Sunday Age you can see a marriage equality supporter wearing a badge saying "unfuck the world". Wow!

I agree.

Why should a woman who has done well be punished and earn the same amount as your average Vicky Pollard.

A woman having a baby who earns $150k a year loses far more then a lady on $30k.

See no problem with this.

"In these good times, families need more than one income"

Tony Abbott

LNP supporter logic. Wow.

Tough shit, low income workers. You should be earning more money.

Edited by notorganic: 18/8/2013 10:24:59 AM

I love it how in this thread people can be so deliciously one sided, then have the nerve to accuse someone else of being a one-eyed voter!

I'm sorry, but if you've always voted for Labor, or always voted Liberal, then your an incredibly un-informed, biased idiot. One party has never, will never have all the right answers!

If you lack the ability to ignore what party puts a policy out, and instead judge a policy purely on its merits, then you frankly lack the ability to form an intelligent decision.

It's people like you who are to blame for why we have a political discourse in this country that is 100% personality based rather then policy based. Shame

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Interesting thoughts and I can see where you're coming from, I just don't think the policy should be scalable, should be more of a set amount.

-PB