This has been a problem since the late 80's and early 90's. We've been a country stalled by conceited attitude for the last two decades, riding off the success from that time period.

Taking too much advice from Ricky Nelson.

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Because they are contrary to what the people of Australia want.

No, they are contrary to what you want.

I actually don't mind the carbon tax and would be interested in hearing why you think it is such a bad thing.

an example is on tonites news, why should high income earners pay more for private health insurance????? why penalise the people who achieve at a higher level..?? so there is no incentive to get off your arse and work hard.typical socialist view, sorry same with taxes.....the more you earn the higher % tax you pay, so where is the reward or incentive???

let's flog the cash cow until it's dead, and when it's dead let's all wonder where and why our prosperity has gone.....


labor are doing an excellent job....job losses in car industry, job losses in the banking industry, job losses in the steel and smelting industry, seems like all the favours for the unions is amounting to alot of pain out there....

Sometimes you make me so angry that my nose starts bleeding.

Care to show me one millionaire who is deliberately earning less money so he doesn't have to pay more tax.

Deliberately hiding assets, maybe.

Of course but they aren't not creating wealth to avoid tax, they're just trying to minimise their obligations, which we all do..don't we.

Of course.

There's also the argument that the richer one is, the more opportunity they have to wealth/job/investment creation tax breaks - much higher breaks than low income earners receive.

I think Batfink watches a bit too much Fox News.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/carbon-levy-booklet-fails-fact-check-20120209-1rmuc.html

Will the spin never end?

Pretty long bow to draw there champ. The article doesn't claim that the pamphlet is wrong, just that not all of the complex documentation

Pulling my fingernails out will be a less painful procedure than explaining the reason why and why that reason exists. But, what the hell.

Please note. To avoid accusations of political bias, the sources below are conservation media and industry based.

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Greens only got 13% of the primary vote. Means 87% of Australian voters are against them.

The carbon tax will NOT save the environment. It will have as much impact on the environment as San Marino have in world football. It will raise running costs in many industries, forcing companies to close their Australian branches and force jobs overseas. The Greens are an anti-capitalist organisation and this 'carbon tax' will make sure Australian businesses suffer. You don't think Greens are anti-capitalist?? Just look at the type of idiots who support them.

yeah the truth can hurt Matt......i'm sure if these job losses occurred under a howard government you'd be irrate about it...and be the first to get on here and beat your drum,
but because it's labor you defend....you need to be more objective and open minded, remember i have lived through a quarter of a century more politics than you, and my opinions may piss you off but they are constructed from years of labors ineptitude and incompetence,lies and corruption and deals with unions,the ACTU and wharfies......not to mention "consultant's fee's, check out some of the "consultant fee's paid to NSW state labor during the last 10 years or so,

the reality is that i'm right and you have no defense....

truly how can ANYONE defend the rudd/gillard government, failure on so many fronts, excuses just don't cut it anymore, but hey, what we can do as a labor government is deflect any ownership,blame everyone else and deny everything, that's why Gillard is carrying on with this rubbish about Muck racking...LOL never laughed so much in my life.....coming from a labor government who throws more shit and crap than a night can worker.....please form what opinion you like about me....i don't care...but at least be truthfull with your self.....

tell me which labor government has returned a surplus?????

and Gillard evicts wyatt roy from parliment when he asked "why has a labor government NEVER returned a surplus" talk about a ranga bully, can't handle the truth so kick em out, socialism bordering on communism bordering on dictatorship from a MINORITY government,

how many failures are you willing to accept before you wake up????

insulation scheme = failure
solar scheme = failure
NBN = massive failure
BER = Building education RIPOFF = failure
Border protection = failure
surplus of less than 1% of GDP = will not occurr, WAFER THIN AS IT IS ANYWAY
Poker machine policy = lies and wilkie to soft to fulfill his obligations
Carbon tax = lie (whether you agree with it or not it's still a lie)
speaker of the house manipulation = untrustworthy
the stabbing of rudd = unethical and immoral
the faceless men = is that what you voted for????
caucus = is that what you voted for???
a whopping 40% salary increase = huge amount of manipulation and a slap in the face for taxpayers
the craig thompson incident = unaccountable and no respect for the aussie taxpayer

then look at the big hole left by NSW labor for farry o'barrel to adopt, then NSW labor come out and attack the NSW libs for not fulfilling election promises....LOL......then the cycle begins, libs leave a surplus and a legacy to inherit,labor come to office spends all the surplus and returns us to deficit, loses office because they are incompetent and love spending,then the cycle begins, libs leave a surplus and a legacy to inherit,labor come to office spends all the surplus and returns us to deficit, loses office because they are incompetent and love spending,



i thought that you were an intelligent guy matt, but how hard are you willing to be raped before you call the police????????

ronald mcdonald could do a better job with a carrot shoved up his arse......














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care to show me one tradesman, retailer student,bar worker,drug dealer who accepts CASH for a better deal, i turn over 6 million a year and all of it is cheques, so no room to fudge....but i bet you have paid cash for a better deal????

and if i earn $150,000 i pay a higher percentage tax than anyone else, where is the incentive??? is that fair??? explain to me why i should have to do this????

apathy...breeeding mediocrity....don't work any harder because we will take it off you, just get your nose in the trough and have a feed at taxpayer expense......become part of the solution not part of the problem...

go on give me a real reason i should pay higher taxes????

c'mon joffa....no one could be worse than what we have.....FFS wake up

don't watch ANY fox news...but keep jumping to conclusions, your an expert at it...i watch SBS new if you must know, i don't read any on the paper tabloids and i'm not accepting any of this labor spin you poor fools think is accurate.......

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So... you are going to assert that 87% of Australians are against marriage equality, carbon reductions and a vastly improved broadband infrastructure because The Greens took 13% of the primary vote?

Seriously?

batfink, I think you need a lie down!
You're not going to convince these guys, they'll have to learn the hard way. Like having their houses sold out from under them when the Labor-led economy pulls the rug from under their feet.

Wait, are we living in a socialist utopia or a capitalist dynasty? I think you and batfink need to get your stories straight.

Since you profess to being one of the great minds of our time, why don't you tell us?

If you can show me where I ever professed that, I might be inclined to share some of my thoughts on the matter.

Batfink - if you don't read the tabloids, where are you getting all your fallacious information from?

Gillard is the Speaker of the House now too?

I give you quotes and comments from conservative commentators and relevant industry sources including the BlueScope CEO who is laying off 1k workers and you have that to say? To call you a stubborn dumbarse would be giving too much credit.

You take the freaking cake.

actually waiting for that day, so the dumb arse can wake up and smell the coffee......LOL

stories????? NO fact matt....one day when you have done a few miles you will get the picture.... i'm prepared to wait...:d

Matt,
just like Gillard you don't actually have to say the words or actuate the topic, you are so much the labor GIMP it's not funny anymore, your so desperate to support a disfunctional government that you have lost objectivity........

anyway how is the baby???

oh yeah and you failed to answer my questions....

so have you paid cash for a job or goods or service??? i bet you have!!!!!!

but havent the balls to fess up......

your all condescending GIMPS of a left wing minority dysfunctional government and your happy to accept it???????

so much for the radical views you hold and the consciences you have....!!!!!!!

pathetic or is that apathetic??????