If you're going to make a claim like that they've "dropped considerably" you're going to need to back that up with some kind of statistics and/or an article featuring more than just hearsay or Abbott blowing his own trumpet.

Do your own research Afro. Prove me wrong.

The incumbent of proof is on the positive claim.

This is basically just you saying "Yeah, I'm full of shit and making crap up"

You're the one making the claim, it's up to you to provide supporting evidence.

Alternatively we can play by your rules...My claim: You're full of shit. Prove me wrong.

Oh dear, you didn't?

Tony Abbott's quick fix to turn back asylum-seeker boats backfires

ANALYSIS

When the late great Peter Brock promoted a performance enhancing device using crystals to ''align the molecules'' of engines, some people bought it.

About the only thing his ''energy polariser'' polarised, though, was opinion about the Bathurst legend.

The same was so (evidently) with Tony Abbott and Scott Morrison's aggressively marketed asylum-seeker tomahawk sold under the label ''stop the boats''.

Some people bought it, many wanted to believe.

Canberra would simply turn back the boats to Indonesia with the only caveat being, ''when it was safe to do so''. ''Safe'', you will note. Not ''politic'', not ''agreed'', not ''in co-operation with'', just ''safe''.

Yet, since the election, since actually being in charge and having responsibility for outcomes rather than slogans, the government is finding that it is not that easy. International relationships are complex and multi-factorial.

The Abbott government's response to that embarrassing realisation is about as contemptuous of the voters now as the Coalition had been of the previous Australian government, or for that matter, of any likely Indonesian sensitivities.

This has brought another transformation from Morrison, who has shamelessly flipped from loud and omnipresent critic to indignant introvert.

Snapping superciliously at reporters who have the temerity to ask legitimate questions about the conduct of the policy at a once-a-week press conference merely makes the problem worse. Australian voters will eventually wake up to the fact that they were sold a pup.

If it were merely a case of sending boats back, it would have been tried years ago. Which, by the way, it was, and it even worked a handful of times until people smugglers and their desperate clientele worked out a response. Until a political party (now in office) started shouting explicitly about an aspect of policy that had, until then, been decidedly unofficial.

It gets worse for Australia than a bit of well-deserved facial egg for Morrison and Abbott.

After revelations that the Australian embassy in Jakarta is being used to conduct spying operations, the Indonesian government is sending back a few messages of its own. And it's not bothering with codes. Goodwill is on the line. Increased cross-border co-operation and intelligence sharing is suddenly problematic.

Facing their own domestic political pressures, the Indonesians are wondering why they would share intelligence, when (i) that information may be used against the country's national interest in the case of unilateral boat turn-backs, and (ii) is being gathered anyway through spying.

Now we have the admission a boatload of people intercepted on Thursday was refused permission to return to port despite being intercepted in the Indonesian search and rescue zone.

Its human cargo of misery has been taken to Christmas Island.

If the same had occurred on the previous government's watch, this would be cue for much exclamation and hand-wringing.

Indeed it would be proof of policy failure.

As with Brock's pseudo-scientific ''energy polariser'', Abbott's super-clear, super-simple boats fix convinced some, but it was always too easy.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/tony-abbotts-quick-fix-to-turn-back-asylumseeker-boats-backfires-20131110-2xa56.html#ixzz2kHEaQrLv

the FACT that you all ignore is Indonesia are not meeting their obligations.....simple fact.....

these boats are in waters that are Indonesia's responsibility and THEY are failing to meet their obligations by ignoring and refusing help.....

FACT

Sums it up well.

Last thing we need is Abbott, Morrison and Bishop fucking up our ties with Indonesia.

-PB

Labor only has to keep Shorten for 3yrs and he'll be PM at this rate. Libs looking highly incompetent.

How is that different to before though? It was well known to most here that the Indonesians wouldn't help. What I believe most of us here are pointing out that the Libs lied (perhaps consciously otherwise it's just flat out incompetence) about how they were going to "Stop the boats".

Apart from not reporting on things and hiding behind a 3 star general, nothing they are doing is any different to what Labor put in place.

Nah Libs will do a second term for sure, doubt it will be with Abbott in charge though.

-PB

This. All of this. It's complete bollocks for Tony Abbott to be claiming credit for "Stopping the boats" when he hasn't changed a single thing from when Labor was in power. That's the fact of the matter.

Turns out that this isn't satire.

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boat arrivals have dropped.......and it's time to make Indonesia accountable......

:lol: =d>

Good luck with that.

"That adults are back in charge"

Wow, how fucking ironically childish :lol:

-PB

no worse than cya guys gotta zip.....:cry: :cry: :cry:

"The Adults" that force the Australian Public to only learn about what's going on with Asylum Seeker policy through the Indonesian Media.

reported boat arrivals have dropped.

Indonesia SHOULD be accountable, but it's clear that they aren't going to do anything.

Oh look, the boats can't be turned around. Just like I said before the election.

Oh look, the journalists having a sook because an opposition that mercilessly used information from Labor Govt to gain Government themselves via journalists attacking said Labor Govt, have stopped giving that information to the journalists.

Indonesia aren't going to do shit. They never will.

I know there is much more important facets to being a good leader of the country but I never quite realised how much of a poor speaker he is :-s

I'd been keen to see anyone demonstrate him to have any abilities to be a good leader of the country, because he's demonstrated the complete opposite so far.

All it requires is a google search. I feel silly performing simple basic tasks anyone can do.

All you have to do is go to google and type in 'asylum seeker arrivals October' or something similar and do a bit of sleuthing and you will find the required information. It's really not that hard to find.

If you need help finding the information let me know.

He speaks in plain simple English anyone can understand. He doesn't waffle and use overtly grandiloquent language like Rudd did to impress his audience. He's obviously trying to sound like normal person in touch with everyday Australians rather than a pompous dickhead like Rudd.

Why are you comparing him to Rudd? He is long gone now. Stop living in the past.

Incredulous. What labor "put in place" was dismantling the Howard era measures which were proven to work. Png and Nauru processing, excising Xmas Island from the mainland, etc etc are all LIBERAL ideas, labor just fucked everything up and in doing hundreds possibly thousands of innocents needlessly died. Rudd just revived the hardline approach the liberals had crafted because by then he figured his own ideas and measures were shit and he had to go back in time six years to fix his own fuck ups. Critically what was missing from his liberal esque hardline was turning boats around, which has been achieved twice did since he was usurped and is a critical feature of sovereign borders but not dependant on it. It's no magic coincidence boat arrivals are drastically down since the change of government.

We need to revisit the past sometimes in order to learn from their mistakes

Edited by rusty: 11/11/2013 08:08:41 PM

LNP talk: "He speaks in plain simple English anyone can understand."
Rest of the world talk: "He's a stuttering simpleton"