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afromanGT wrote:batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote:Meaning you made a statement, you were proven wrong and resorted to an infantile and garbage response for the 121,053rd time. SORRY....not wrong....accused of being wrong......even bill shorten won't deny he did it , which really is an admission of guilt Oh FFS. It's got nothing to do with Bill Shorten. Your statement: "if the media say it then its fact." The reality: That's bullshit. NO YOU HAVE IT WRONG...... i said that to notor....meaning that HE thinks that if the media say it is fact...i don't
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:-S Notorganic believes to the contrary. Holy shit, do you even read?
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afromanGT wrote::-S Notorganic believes to the contrary. Holy shit, do you even read? do you even read...you get it all wrong and go the raw prawn on me....lol.... Notorganic quotes media outlets all the time, whichever one suits his needs at the time......
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batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote::-S Notorganic believes to the contrary. Holy shit, do you even read? do you even read...you get it all wrong and go the raw prawn on me....lol.... Notorganic quotes media outlets all the time, whichever one suits his needs at the time...... So what do you quote, batfink?
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notorganic wrote:batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote::-S Notorganic believes to the contrary. Holy shit, do you even read? do you even read...you get it all wrong and go the raw prawn on me....lol.... Notorganic quotes media outlets all the time, whichever one suits his needs at the time...... So what do you quote, batfink? Why would he need to quote media outlets when he just makes shit up?
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notorganic wrote:batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote::-S Notorganic believes to the contrary. Holy shit, do you even read? do you even read...you get it all wrong and go the raw prawn on me....lol.... Notorganic quotes media outlets all the time, whichever one suits his needs at the time...... So what do you quote, batfink? usually what i see on APAC
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afromanGT wrote:notorganic wrote:batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote::-S Notorganic believes to the contrary. Holy shit, do you even read? do you even read...you get it all wrong and go the raw prawn on me....lol.... Notorganic quotes media outlets all the time, whichever one suits his needs at the time...... So what do you quote, batfink? Why would he need to quote media outlets when he just makes shit up? Notorganic makes shit up????? Can't see why Bill Shorten can't deny the claim then...if he didn't cut the funding what's the drama in denying it????
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notorganic wrote:And the statement about Shorten IS wrong, anyway.
The $1.2b was not money "ripped out" of school funding. To continue to assert that it is, is spin at best and a bald faced lie at worst. so where was the money ripped from Matt??????
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Half an hour before parliamentary question time, when the opposition was set to launch a full-scale attack over last week’s rethink, Abbott fronted the media to announce the government would reinstate the full $1.2bn earmarked for Queensland, Western Australian and the Northern Territory over the next four years. This amount was removed from the budget by the former Labor government before the election as a result of a failure to strike a deal with those three conservative-led states.
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batfink wrote:Half an hour before parliamentary question time, when the opposition was set to launch a full-scale attack over last week’s rethink, Abbott fronted the media to announce the government would reinstate the full $1.2bn earmarked for Queensland, Western Australian and the Northern Territory over the next four years. This amount was removed from the budget by the former Labor government before the election as a result of a failure to strike a deal with those three conservative-led states.
You can't call something a "cut" or "ripped out" when the money in question was refused by the states mentioned. Goes back to my original point. To blame Shorten for cutting education funding when the states refused the money is spin. Plain and simple. On the other hand, the LNP spent 6 years decrying "Labor Waste", and now they are throwing money at education without the expectations of performance standards outlined in the ALP version of the Gonski recommendations.
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Greens Senator Scott Ludlam successfully moved an order requiring Turnbull to make the [NBN strategic review] report available to the public no later than noon on Monday. http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/533333/senate_orders_release_coalition_nbn_review/
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Government poised to strike deal with Greens over debt ceiling http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-12-04/government-poised-to-strike-deal-with-greens-over-debt-ceiling/5132992But wait, didn't Abbott refer to The Greens as "economic fringe dwellers" and mercilessly accuse the Labor government of bending over backwards to accommodate The Greens?
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notorganic wrote:[quote=batfink]Half an hour before parliamentary question time, when the opposition was set to launch a full-scale attack over last week’s rethink, Abbott fronted the media to announce the government would reinstate the full $1.2bn earmarked for Queensland, Western Australian and the Northern Territory over the next four years. This amount was removed from the budget by the former Labor government before the election as a result of a failure to strike a deal with those three conservative-led states.
You can't call something a "cut" or "ripped out" when the money in question was refused by the states mentioned. fair enough then you can't call it a lie when Abbott doesn't fund to the same level due to the states not wanting it..... can't have it both ways Matt, the funding was removed...FACT....so how is it a lie to fund to the revised figure???? well simply it isn't a lie.... i agree it's semantics and this government would be well served to play with a straight bat and get on with it.....however will Labor allow them to get on with it....i don't think so, given their performances thus far in parliament as witnessed on APAC......blocking everything and denying supply....the opposition supported supply in over 90% of cases...something these sleazebags aren't and won't do.....
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and to clarify a point the states didn't refuse the funding, they were not happy with the distribution between states, as in conservative led states receiving less than ALP states
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batfink wrote:and to clarify a point the states didn't refuse the funding, they were not happy with the distribution between states, as in conservative led states receiving less than ALP states I don't recall seeing this anywhere. Can you find a link of where the states said this?
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So now ASIO is in the witness intimidation business.
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notorganic wrote:batfink wrote:and to clarify a point the states didn't refuse the funding, they were not happy with the distribution between states, as in conservative led states receiving less than ALP states I don't recall seeing this anywhere. Can you find a link of where the states said this? afromanGT wrote:Why would he need to quote media outlets when he just makes shit up? batfink wrote: the money in question was refused by the states mentioned. batfink, the very next post wrote:the states didn't refuse the funding
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sydneycroatia58 wrote:So now ASIO is in the witness intimidation business. How can our Attorney General endorse a deliberate and vexatious trampling of the Attorney Client privilege?
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Alarm bells need to ring all over this country. The ABC is so successful because it is trusted. It has earned that trust over many years, and stands up forthright. Have a look at the current attacks on Mark Scott. He worked for Nick Greiner (a NSW Liberal Premier) and then private enterprise with Fairfax. It's culture wars 2013/14. Bring on the double dissolution!
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afromanGT wrote:notorganic wrote:batfink wrote:and to clarify a point the states didn't refuse the funding, they were not happy with the distribution between states, as in conservative led states receiving less than ALP states I don't recall seeing this anywhere. Can you find a link of where the states said this? afromanGT wrote:Why would he need to quote media outlets when he just makes shit up? batfink wrote: the money in question was refused by the states mentioned. batfink, the very next post wrote:the states didn't refuse the funding afromanGT and notorganic, you are being unfair on batfink. He's intellectually unarmed. Shame on both of you.
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Quote:Senator Bernardi said he was happy for the ABC to keep its radio and television stations, but not for it to publish free news on its websites. This would destroy newspapers published by Fairfax Media and News Corp, Senator Bernardi said.
He said there was a compelling case to consider breaking the ABC into two entities with the traditional television and radio operations protected to ensure services in the bush and regional Australia, while the online news service could be disposed of. Another classic case of what News Corp wants News Corps get. Fuck me dead, how much "rates for mates" shit goes on with the LNP? Boohoo that online news is smashing News Corp, maybe if they didn't have something like news.com.au as such a fucking cesspool and actually reported the news they wouldn't have this problem. Fuck me what is this country coming too. -PB
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Quote:Christopher Pyne, the joker in pack, could bring down Tony Abbott Political Opinion Comment Date December 4, 2013 Christopher Pyne is right to feel disappointed. Yes, he was the second-youngest MP ever, and yes, he is undoubtedly the prissiest, most precious and precocious petal among a bunch of preening peacocks, and yet there's one thing that has continually eluded Pyne. Respect. It's difficult to see how any of his antics over the past week will change that. Before writing a profile, one might usually make at least some cursory attempt to speak to the subject. In this way one hopes to gain further illumination, perhaps even inside knowledge to explain the otherwise incomprehensible. In the case of Pyne, however, this is utterly unnecessary. That's because his public persona has expanded to consume any remaining, lingering vestiges of his own personality. The discovery of anything contradictory (that, for example, he's actually intelligent and interesting) would be completely disregarded. After all, you've seen him in action! His image is now the reality. Advertisement The last time I spoke to Pyne (at a Thai embassy function), he was quite agreeable. But that was while he was in opposition - power reveals new dimensions even in the shallowest personality. Thus, although Pyne's previously held senior positions, from parliamentary secretary, assistant minister and, eventually, (and most implausibly given his perpetually juvenile approach to life) the minister for ageing, Pyne has never actually been allowed to do anything. Perhaps there's a reason. He's apparently been too busy making points-of-order to get across the detail of the education portfolio he's been shadowing since 2008. Or maybe Pyne's been around the green carpets and wood panelling of Parliament for a bit too long. Perhaps he needs to get out more. In just 100 days he's managed to unify the sector against him. Even his own state Liberal colleagues have wandered in from the outfield to publicly and humiliatingly sledge him. In a move of stunning incompetence, Pyne trashed a carefully wrought student-funding model without any idea of what's going to replace it. It was a slapstick performance so incompetently carried out it would have drawn laughs in a music hall. Pyne has successfully managed to portray himself as the most incompetent joker in the pack. And don't mistake the degree of difficulty here. It takes a good deal of talent to make a state education minister appear statesmanlike. Nevertheless, at their combined press conference the other day, Pyne managed all this and more. He stood off to one side while every minister in the country took turns to ruthlessly demolish his ''reform'', which simply turns the clocks back to a world of privilege and favouritism. Then he boorishly charged in to assert - despite all the evidence to the contrary - that he's right and they're wrong. And why? What better plan is he proposing to introduce? Well, he can't tell us that now, we'll just have to wait and see. Trust me, says Pyne, claiming he can still trump the experts and come up with something better. You can almost picture him standing in front of a dartboard with some arrows, confident that providence will guide him to the correct answer. Now it turns out we had the right answer all along and we're presented with all the startling idiocy of yet another volte-face. Pyne appears incapable of perceiving how ridiculous his assertions of superior process actually are. When even the thinnest twig hits a calm pool, it sets off ripples. That's Pyne. The perception that he's shallow, superficial and trivial has now become political reality. Everything that's occurred since he became minister simply reinforces this perception. It actually doesn't matter if he's very, very clever; many people already suspect he's not. What's more surprising - and worrying from the perspective of Tony Abbott - is that two polls last week put beyond doubt the reality that the government's going backwards. It's the reverse of what happened after the election of John Howard and Kevin Rudd. The feel-good factor's evaporating. Any advice Abbott's receiving is obviously hopeless. The team and tactics that got him to the Lodge won't be able to keep him there. Some 30 years ago, in NSW, the Liberal's Nick Greiner swept out a wildly unpopular Labor government. His education minister, Terry Metherell, rammed wildly unpopular reforms through Parliament, despite a huge backlash from parents. The Liberals lost their majority at the next election. Pyne seems determined to take a similar shortcut to electoral oblivion. Nicholas Stuart is a Canberra writer. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/christopher-pyne-the-joker-in-pack-could-bring-down-tony-abbott-20131203-2yof5.html#ixzz2mTnEkKbo Hear, hear!
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afromanGT wrote:notorganic wrote:batfink wrote:and to clarify a point the states didn't refuse the funding, they were not happy with the distribution between states, as in conservative led states receiving less than ALP states I don't recall seeing this anywhere. Can you find a link of where the states said this? afromanGT wrote:Why would he need to quote media outlets when he just makes shit up? batfink wrote: the money in question was refused by the states mentioned. batfink, the very next post wrote:the states didn't refuse the funding you are right...to clarify a point....the states didn't sign up to the funding arrangement...they wanted the funding but didn't like what was in the agreement, so bill shorten removed the funding from the budget
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The current top story on news.com.au is a nothing story about someone (not even famous) going to a restaurant and leaving a bad facebook review, and having the owner reply back.
WE BETTER FUCK THE ABC UP, CAN'T RISK LOSING THIS QUALITY JOURNALISM.
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batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote:notorganic wrote:batfink wrote:and to clarify a point the states didn't refuse the funding, they were not happy with the distribution between states, as in conservative led states receiving less than ALP states I don't recall seeing this anywhere. Can you find a link of where the states said this? afromanGT wrote:Why would he need to quote media outlets when he just makes shit up? batfink wrote: the money in question was refused by the states mentioned. batfink, the very next post wrote:the states didn't refuse the funding you are right...to clarify a point....the states didn't sign up to the funding arrangement...they wanted the funding but didn't like what was in the agreement, so bill shorten removed the funding from the budget [sIze=9] YOU'RE MAKING SHIT UP SHUT THE FUCK UP!![/SIZE]
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Didn't the Coalition spend their entire time in Opposition screaming about "deals" with the Greens?
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afromanGT wrote:batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote:notorganic wrote:batfink wrote:and to clarify a point the states didn't refuse the funding, they were not happy with the distribution between states, as in conservative led states receiving less than ALP states I don't recall seeing this anywhere. Can you find a link of where the states said this? afromanGT wrote:Why would he need to quote media outlets when he just makes shit up? batfink wrote: the money in question was refused by the states mentioned. batfink, the very next post wrote:the states didn't refuse the funding you are right...to clarify a point....the states didn't sign up to the funding arrangement...they wanted the funding but didn't like what was in the agreement, so bill shorten removed the funding from the budget [sIze=9] YOU'RE MAKING SHIT UP SHUT THE FUCK UP!![/SIZE] You know the danger of arguing with an idiot. From a distance you both appear the same.
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macktheknife wrote:Didn't the Coalition spend their entire time in Opposition screaming about "deals" with the Greens? Yes. Not that I disagree with the deal, it's just the sheer hypocrisy of the LNP that appalls.
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macktheknife wrote:The current top story on news.com.au is a nothing story about someone (not even famous) going to a restaurant and leaving a bad facebook review, and having the owner reply back.
WE BETTER FUCK THE ABC UP, CAN'T RISK LOSING THIS QUALITY JOURNALISM. Pretty fucking much. -PB
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