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Australia facing a decade in deficit, warns new government By Judith Ugwumadu | 17 December 2013 Australia’s coalition government today warned that its budget could remain in deficit for the next decade as it issued its first economic update since winning the election three months ago. The Liberal-National coalition forecast a A$47bn budget shortfall this year, compared to an August projection of A$30.1bn. The government expects the deficit to narrow to A$17.7bn (1%of GDP) in 2016/17. Treasurer Joe Hockey said that more than half the deterioration in Australia’s budget position was due to the softer economy. The country’s real GDP 2014/2015 growth forecast was downgraded from 3% to 2.5%. ‘This reflects a sharper-than-forecast fall in resources investment and a slower recovery in the non-resources sectors,’ Hockey added. The government is now committed to restoring public sector finances and expects its budget to return to sustainable surpluses that build to at least 1% of gross domestic product by 2023/24. Hockey pledged to cut government spending in the 2014/15 budget, as recommended by Australia’s newly established National Commission of Audit. This body was established to ensure that taxpayers’ money was spent wisely and in an efficient manner. Hockey added that deficit cutting needed to be matched by economic growth and productivity in order to deliver sustained growth in living standards over the decades ahead. ‘Quality investments in infrastructure, significant reductions in red tape and a system of government that encourages innovation will support productivity growth and, in turn, stronger economic growth,’ he said. - See more at: http://www.publicfinanceinternational.org/news/2013/12/australia-facing-a-decade-in-deficit-warns-new-government/?#sthash.LPXvZrOm.dpuf But I thought.....t
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So they complain that it's not making enough money or reducing emissions. But it's going to cost them a huge amount of money to remove. Makes sense.
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afromanGT wrote:So they complain that it's not making enough money or reducing emissions. But it's going to cost them a huge amount of money to remove. Makes sense. by removing it they will allow business to drop it's inflated cost base largely due to the carbon tax and the trickle down effect it has had on every facet of life....
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batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote:So they complain that it's not making enough money or reducing emissions. But it's going to cost them a huge amount of money to remove. Makes sense. by removing it they will allow business to drop it's inflated cost base largely due to the carbon tax and the trickle down effect it has had on every facet of life.... Except we all know that the decrease in costs won't be passed on to the consumers and all it will do is increase business profits.
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afromanGT wrote:batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote:So they complain that it's not making enough money or reducing emissions. But it's going to cost them a huge amount of money to remove. Makes sense. by removing it they will allow business to drop it's inflated cost base largely due to the carbon tax and the trickle down effect it has had on every facet of life.... Except we all know that the decrease in costs won't be passed on to the consumers and all it will do is increase business profits. well it depends, usually you find the market levels itself out....there is plenty of competition out there, i agree with the multi national companies and large companies who don't have a huge competition problem (EG: power generating companies), but for small to medium businesses it will make a huge difference.
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batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote:batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote:So they complain that it's not making enough money or reducing emissions. But it's going to cost them a huge amount of money to remove. Makes sense. by removing it they will allow business to drop it's inflated cost base largely due to the carbon tax and the trickle down effect it has had on every facet of life.... Except we all know that the decrease in costs won't be passed on to the consumers and all it will do is increase business profits. well it depends, usually you find the market levels itself out....there is plenty of competition out there, i agree with the multi national companies and large companies who don't have a huge competition problem (EG: power generating companies), but for small to medium businesses it will make a huge difference. But the carbon price is only paid directly by the top 500 polluting businesses (mostly large companies), the only reason everyone pays is because they pass on some of the increase in the cost of production. So if you are saying large businesses will withhold the savings in the carbon price repeal due to minimal competition, doesn't that mean that small and medium sized businesses will see little difference with the abolition of the price?
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RedKat wrote:afromanGT wrote:So they complain that it's not making enough money or reducing emissions. But it's going to cost them a huge amount of money to remove. Makes sense. thats why its so hilariously ironic. liberals main policy of abolishing the carbon tax actually makes it harder to achieve their goal of a surplus, another major policy Well they have to abolish the carbon tax...they ran an election campaign primarily on its abolishion. However abolishing the CEFC for 500 mil when it makes 500 mil a year for the government is just ideology blindly getting in the way of pragmatism.
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batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote:So they complain that it's not making enough money or reducing emissions. But it's going to cost them a huge amount of money to remove. Makes sense. by removing it they will allow business to drop it's inflated cost base largely due to the carbon tax and the trickle down effect it has had on every facet of life.... Yep such a terrible effect on everyday life...cant deal with this sick world where prices on everyday goods have risen by less than 3 cents and my electricity bill has increased by 7%
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imonfourfourtwo wrote:batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote:batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote:So they complain that it's not making enough money or reducing emissions. But it's going to cost them a huge amount of money to remove. Makes sense. by removing it they will allow business to drop it's inflated cost base largely due to the carbon tax and the trickle down effect it has had on every facet of life.... Except we all know that the decrease in costs won't be passed on to the consumers and all it will do is increase business profits. well it depends, usually you find the market levels itself out....there is plenty of competition out there, i agree with the multi national companies and large companies who don't have a huge competition problem (EG: power generating companies), but for small to medium businesses it will make a huge difference. But the carbon price is only paid directly by the top 500 polluting businesses (mostly large companies), the only reason everyone pays is because they pass on some of the increase in the cost of production. So if you are saying large businesses will withhold the savings in the carbon price repeal due to minimal competition, doesn't that mean that small and medium sized businesses will see little difference with the abolition of the price? well we have to hope that IPART do their job and ensure that the carbon tax comes off the generating companies, these companies whinged and stated percentage figures of how the carbon tax was going to impact on the cost of electricity, so it would not be hard to identify the cost cut's to be offered
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RedKat wrote:afromanGT wrote:So they complain that it's not making enough money or reducing emissions. But it's going to cost them a huge amount of money to remove. Makes sense. thats why its so hilariously ironic. liberals main policy of abolishing the carbon tax actually makes it harder to achieve their goal of a surplus, another major policy not really.
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Decazz wrote:batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote:So they complain that it's not making enough money or reducing emissions. But it's going to cost them a huge amount of money to remove. Makes sense. by removing it they will allow business to drop it's inflated cost base largely due to the carbon tax and the trickle down effect it has had on every facet of life.... Yep such a terrible effect on everyday life...cant deal with this sick world where prices on everyday goods have risen by less than 3 cents and my electricity bill has increased by 7% go and talk to small and medium business and ask them how their costs have risen, also the cost of living has risen 9% since 2010 and 48% since 2000...
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afromanGT wrote:batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote:So they complain that it's not making enough money or reducing emissions. But it's going to cost them a huge amount of money to remove. Makes sense. by removing it they will allow business to drop it's inflated cost base largely due to the carbon tax and the trickle down effect it has had on every facet of life.... Except we all know that the decrease in costs won't be passed on to the consumers and all it will do is increase business profits. This. Had to laugh hard at Hockey on AM this morning. Just keeps on pointing to Labour for raising deficits and side stepping the flack about having to cut areas in order to call in on their election promises. -PB
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batfink wrote:Decazz wrote:batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote:So they complain that it's not making enough money or reducing emissions. But it's going to cost them a huge amount of money to remove. Makes sense. by removing it they will allow business to drop it's inflated cost base largely due to the carbon tax and the trickle down effect it has had on every facet of life.... Yep such a terrible effect on everyday life...cant deal with this sick world where prices on everyday goods have risen by less than 3 cents and my electricity bill has increased by 7% go and talk to small and medium business and ask them how their costs have risen, also the cost of living has risen 9% since 2010 and 48% since 2000... And that has probably more to do with energy companies raising their prices then the Carbon Tax. -PB
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paulbagzFC wrote:batfink wrote:Decazz wrote:batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote:So they complain that it's not making enough money or reducing emissions. But it's going to cost them a huge amount of money to remove. Makes sense. by removing it they will allow business to drop it's inflated cost base largely due to the carbon tax and the trickle down effect it has had on every facet of life.... Yep such a terrible effect on everyday life...cant deal with this sick world where prices on everyday goods have risen by less than 3 cents and my electricity bill has increased by 7% go and talk to small and medium business and ask them how their costs have risen, also the cost of living has risen 9% since 2010 and 48% since 2000... And that has probably more to do with energy companies raising their prices then the Carbon Tax. -PB doubt it.....read it again...these are cost of living increases they are across the board.....and the top 500 polluters are not just energy companies.......
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batfink wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:batfink wrote:Decazz wrote:batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote:So they complain that it's not making enough money or reducing emissions. But it's going to cost them a huge amount of money to remove. Makes sense. by removing it they will allow business to drop it's inflated cost base largely due to the carbon tax and the trickle down effect it has had on every facet of life.... Yep such a terrible effect on everyday life...cant deal with this sick world where prices on everyday goods have risen by less than 3 cents and my electricity bill has increased by 7% go and talk to small and medium business and ask them how their costs have risen, also the cost of living has risen 9% since 2010 and 48% since 2000... And that has probably more to do with energy companies raising their prices then the Carbon Tax. -PB doubt it.....read it again...these are cost of living increases they are across the board.....and the top 500 polluters are not just energy companies....... Well then it isn't because of the Carbon Tax then is it? -PB
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Good read for anyone who still thinks the government could have stopped Holden's closure. Quote:IN THE fallout from the General Motors withdrawal from manufacturing cars in Australia, it is now quite clear that no amount of government money was going to save Holden.
In the tens of thousands of words that have been written on the subject, attempting to pinpoint the factors that were at play to bring about the so-called “perfect storm” of circumstances that ended up in the demise of the car-maker in Australia, the fact is that GM did not have its heart in Australian manufacturing any more.
Basically the sales dominance General Motors once enjoyed in Australia, which delivered very large profits in its most recent unbroken run from 1993 to 2004, had slipped through its fingers over the past decade.
GM was looking at years of more struggle, years of more handouts and ongoing relentless political fallout to the point where it was clear that many in the mainstream media, which lost sight of the wider benefit of continuing to make cars in Australia, and posturing economic ‘dries’, were going to turn Holden into the most hated car brand in Australia.
Think: The taxpayers’ pariah. Think: The corporation raking in billions of dollars in profits each quarter internationally but dipping its hands into the public purse Down Under.
It was not always so, and the turning point was the global financial crisis.
In the lead-up to the GFC, as exports to the Middle East fired (especially the Caprice) and Pontiac exports were gaining steady traction in the United States, Holden was looking at a scenario where every second car made in Adelaide would be exported.
Toyota had already reached the position where for every four Camrys made in the Altona plant in Melbourne, three of them were exported. That figure now sits at 30 per cent local sales to 70 per cent exports.
But the GFC swept all that achievement away for GM. The effect on Holden was dramatic as its Middle East demand sagged and the Pontiac division was closed.
It has been Struggle Street ever since. Recent profits were probably more a reflection of the $1.2 billion that Canberra was injecting into the company than of commercial success.
And, in post-chapter 11 GM, loss-making divisions and strategies become orphans very quickly indeed.
Holden boss Mike Devereux talked up the local car performance by saying that Commodore and Cruze were among the top five sellers in Australia. But that is not enough anymore because the fragmentation of the market has been so dramatic.
Between 2000 and 2012, 20 brands were introduced to the Australian market. But the fragmentation and competition is so fierce that nine brands have also departed between 2000 and this year. Four of them were GM brands – Cadillac, Saab, Hummer and Opel.
Still, there remain more than 50 non-truck brands on sale in this country, factoring in a quarter of newly launched Chinese brands not present on the VFACTS list of manufacturers.
The number of core models available has increased from 283 in 2000 to 362 today – an increase of some 75 models. In the GoAuto.com.au new-car catalogue there are 2225 model variants listed.
Within this crowded house there are 33 brands which sell fewer than 10,000 units a year and of these, astonishingly, 25 sell fewer than 2000 units a year. Getting volume sales from each model on sale is becoming impossible.
The best performer in this area is Toyota which in 2012 mean-averaged 12,100 sales per model entrant. Mazda was next with 11,500 sales per core model fielded. Holden, Hyundai and Ford managed between 8300 and 9000 sales per each model fielded.
But they continue on and this has a Swiss cheese effect on the established market entrants to the point where once great sales leads are gone and will never return.
The top-selling cars in Australia, the Corolla and Mazda3, will only be able to achieve volumes somewhere north of 40,000 units this year. That is not enough to sustain a plant and a far cry from the 100,000-plus Commodores and derivatives sold here 10 years ago.
With local sales prospects for any single car entrant so low, only an export program was going to make the Elizabeth plant viable, and the only true pathway for that to happen was to sell Commodores in America which still has a taste for that kind of car.
As a niche premium car in Chevrolet showrooms, the Commodore should have had a bright future, given that volumes across the Chevrolet network did not have to be large by US standards. Three Aussie cars per dealer per month would not seem to be a big ask, and that would have produced about 110,000 export sales to add to the local production.
As niche cars, the range could have been filled out by the Sportwagon and the Ute, the latter already destined to be a Pontiac before the division was closed.
As it is, the Commodore-based Chevrolet SS has just gone on sale in the US to positive reviews in which some US motoring writers have generously aligned it favourably with the BMW 5 Series.
But too many people inside the Renaissance Centre in Detroit, for whatever reason, do not want Holden cars selling in America as Chevrolets in anything other than niche numbers.
We have been hearing the mantra from Holden in recent years that it has to make money in Australia and cannot rely on exports for profits. Definitely a storm warning.
And then, former managing director of GM Holden Alan Batey, while in charge of Chevrolet earlier this year, said that Chevrolet would only ever take cars from Australia in very limited numbers.
Currency could have been an issue, but as far back as Denny Mooney’s time at the helm in Australia Holden had embarked on a policy of hedging the dollar by importing, mostly from the US, key elements and a significant proportion of parts built into the US-bound cars out of Adelaide.
An increase in the value of the Australian dollar would make the sourcing of those parts cheaper – V8 engines and gearboxes, for example – thus taking much of the sting out of the dollar’s movement in either direction.
GoAuto has been told that also preying on the minds of GM executives are the more stringent corporate average fuel economy regulations which were brought in last year. This means that the more Commodores sold in the US each year, the harder it is for GM to meet the average required across its entire range. This is effectively a non-tariff barrier against the Commodore.
The message was clear. Detroit did not want Australian cars to sell in the home market in any numbers. Without that, no matter what car Holden built, Elizabeth was always going to be surplus to requirements.
It is also true that GM must have been greatly encouraged by the successfully smooth departure of Mitsubishi Motors from making cars in Adelaide, and additionally delighted by the way Ford is going to exit Australia and still import cars to our market as though nothing had happened.
From Detroit, Australia’s come-one, come-all open door for importers must have looked very appealing indeed. http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/D0D148133AA5BBB4CA257C44001C1A9D
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Holden may not have lasted long term here, the state government here already expected this to happen eventually. Problem is we now have 4 years to transition rather than up to 10 years. The only potentially good thing out of this is that it might keep Stephen Marshall and the Libs out of government here for another 4 years.
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The Australian government daring GM to pull the trigger only made things worse. The LNP seem to think they're above the corporations keeping them in a job.
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No-one ever expected HOlden/GM to stay forever.
But they were perhaps going to decide on leaving after 2020 or further.
Instead of you know, last week. While Hockey dared them to leave.
I also ruefully smile at the idea of anything being able to get electricity retailers to drop their prices.
The only thing that would have done that is if the fuckwits in charge of the states hadn't privatised everything they could get their hands on.
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Quote:I also ruefully smile at the idea of anything being able to get electricity retailers to drop their prices. There's no way that they're going to sacrifice profits.
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paulbagzFC wrote:batfink wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:batfink wrote:Decazz wrote:batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote:So they complain that it's not making enough money or reducing emissions. But it's going to cost them a huge amount of money to remove. Makes sense. by removing it they will allow business to drop it's inflated cost base largely due to the carbon tax and the trickle down effect it has had on every facet of life.... Yep such a terrible effect on everyday life...cant deal with this sick world where prices on everyday goods have risen by less than 3 cents and my electricity bill has increased by 7% go and talk to small and medium business and ask them how their costs have risen, also the cost of living has risen 9% since 2010 and 48% since 2000... And that has probably more to do with energy companies raising their prices then the Carbon Tax. -PB doubt it.....read it again...these are cost of living increases they are across the board.....and the top 500 polluters are not just energy companies....... Well then it isn't because of the Carbon Tax then is it? -PB ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) the carbon tax has been applied to some councils,water suppliers,waste facilities & many other companies who have passed the costs on to the consumer.
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afromanGT wrote:The Australian government daring GM to pull the trigger only made things worse. The LNP seem to think they're above the corporations keeping them in a job. macktheknife wrote:No-one ever expected HOlden/GM to stay forever. But they were perhaps going to decide on leaving after 2020 or further. Either you both didn't read the article, or Liberal/Abbott bashing is more important.
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Capping the parental leave to the level of the Green's suggestion of 100K or even to 75K makes more sense.
Either way, the NDIS is far more important long term in Australia. It can happen to anyone. NZ is miles ahead.
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/human-rights-commissioner-calls-on-public-to-tackle-racism-headon/story-fni0fee2-1226786027988Quote:Human rights commissioner calls on public to tackle racism head-on
THE nation's new human rights watchdog has told minority groups to confront racist and offensive comments for the good of free speech.
Human Rights Commissioner Tim Wilson said that trying to ban hate speech directed against the Jewish community and other groups was counterproductive.
"The best way for them to deal with criticism is to have an open dialogue and not be afraid to expose silly and absurd comments for what they are, and respond in kind," he said.
Mr Wilson said he had incredible sympathy for Holocaust survivors who were subjected to hateful language by anti-semites, but the "best thing to do is to expose them for the hate in their heart".
However, Executive Council of Australian Jewry President Robert Goot said that Holocaust denial and other forms of racial vilification had nothing to do with a debate about ideas or opinions.
"They are a cover for making vile generalisations about entire groups of people based on their race, skin colour or national or ethnic origin," he said.
Mr Goot said it would be a real injustice to deny communities the right to defend themselves in court against outrageous attacks on their reputation.
Mr Wilson's appointment by the Abbott Government is controversial as he has been an outspoken policy analyst for the Institute of Public Affairs, which earlier this year called for the abolition of the Human Rights Commission.
He resigned from the IPA and also from the Liberal Party in the wake of his appointment this week by Attorney-General George Brandis.
Mr Wilson said that his main initial focus would be the promotion of free speech, which he said the Commission had not adequately addressed.
"The Commission has diluted the importance of human rights to pursue other worthy goals like non-discrimination, but that has come to the cost of focusing on its core responsibility, which is the defence of human rights," he said.
Mr Wilson also wants the repeal of a controversial section of the Racial Discrimination Act, which was used to prosecute Herald Sun columnist Andrew Bolt over a series of articles he wrote on indigenous issues.
"The sort of restrictions currently in place like those that exist in (the Act) set the bar very low, and based on subjective tests around offence which simply are unsupportable from a human rights perspective," he said.
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batfink wrote:Decazz wrote:batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote:So they complain that it's not making enough money or reducing emissions. But it's going to cost them a huge amount of money to remove. Makes sense. by removing it they will allow business to drop it's inflated cost base largely due to the carbon tax and the trickle down effect it has had on every facet of life.... Yep such a terrible effect on everyday life...cant deal with this sick world where prices on everyday goods have risen by less than 3 cents and my electricity bill has increased by 7% go and talk to small and medium business and ask them how their costs have risen, also the cost of living has risen 9% since 2010 and 48% since 2000... So cost of living slowed in the last 3 years, compared to the 10 years before it? Are you saying the carbon tax reduced cost of living?
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killua wrote:So cost of living slowed in the last 3 years, compared to the 10 years before it? Are you saying the carbon tax reduced cost of living?
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f1worldchamp wrote:afromanGT wrote:The Australian government daring GM to pull the trigger only made things worse. The LNP seem to think they're above the corporations keeping them in a job. macktheknife wrote:No-one ever expected HOlden/GM to stay forever. But they were perhaps going to decide on leaving after 2020 or further. Either you both didn't read the article, or Liberal/Abbott bashing is more important. The article says that making cars here the way they are is unviable. Tell us something we don't know. :-k
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mcjules wrote:f1worldchamp wrote:afromanGT wrote:The Australian government daring GM to pull the trigger only made things worse. The LNP seem to think they're above the corporations keeping them in a job. macktheknife wrote:No-one ever expected HOlden/GM to stay forever. But they were perhaps going to decide on leaving after 2020 or further. Either you both didn't read the article, or Liberal/Abbott bashing is more important. The article says that making cars here the way they are is unviable. Tell us something we don't know. :-k To which the response was 'yeah but it was the governments fault'.
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killua wrote:batfink wrote:Decazz wrote:batfink wrote:afromanGT wrote:So they complain that it's not making enough money or reducing emissions. But it's going to cost them a huge amount of money to remove. Makes sense. by removing it they will allow business to drop it's inflated cost base largely due to the carbon tax and the trickle down effect it has had on every facet of life.... Yep such a terrible effect on everyday life...cant deal with this sick world where prices on everyday goods have risen by less than 3 cents and my electricity bill has increased by 7% go and talk to small and medium business and ask them how their costs have risen, also the cost of living has risen 9% since 2010 and 48% since 2000... So cost of living slowed in the last 3 years, compared to the 10 years before it? Are you saying the carbon tax reduced cost of living? Of course not. Batfink is just making shit up as usual. f1worldchamp wrote:mcjules wrote:f1worldchamp wrote:afromanGT wrote:The Australian government daring GM to pull the trigger only made things worse. The LNP seem to think they're above the corporations keeping them in a job. macktheknife wrote:No-one ever expected HOlden/GM to stay forever. But they were perhaps going to decide on leaving after 2020 or further. Either you both didn't read the article, or Liberal/Abbott bashing is more important. The article says that making cars here the way they are is unviable. Tell us something we don't know. :-k To which the response was 'yeah but it was the governments fault'. Frankly it was. Because no effort was made to make it less viable to produce cars overseas. Excises and import taxes should have been implemented for dealers to make it easier for car companies making cars in Australia to compete with cars being made in asia. Touching back on the electricity thing, I just got a letter informing me of my annual price rise from my electricity provider. This year it's 6.7% - 2.5% more than last year's increase and more than triple the 2013 CPI increase.
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