What happened on Q and A?

They're socialist alliance... and the implication of that statement that those two are mutually exclusive is laughable.

Fucking socialists :lol:

Pyne destroying them

Bunch of socialist uni students yelling about budget cuts

To protest is a damn right . Let's just all sit down and hold hands . Noone can agree with everything

Bunch of socialist uni students yelling about budget cuts

He got served shortly after :lol:

-PB

There's moving the goalposts, and then theirs moving the field.

There's .

Geez you believe everything you get fed . :lol:

hurr ill correct a spelling mistake instead of attacking his argument hurr



Ditto.

Perhaps Pete will re-skill or find another job in manufacturing.

lol fuck off Pyne, you won because c*nts wanted to stop the boats :lol:

inb4 "we were given a mandate".

-PB

Or perhaps he'll find that manufacturing is pretty much dead, and nobody wants to invest time and money into reskilling a 45 year old man who has been doing the same thing for
25 years so he kills himself.

Hurr. I don't know nothing about the real world hurr durr I know more then you hurr .

Two fallacys in the same post, you're on a roll today.

Or perhaps he'll find that manufacturing is pretty much dead, and nobody wants to invest time and money into reskilling a 45 year old man who has been doing the same thing for 25 years so he kills himself.

Or perhaps he will win lotto and become an instant millionaire. I don't think an adult male with 25 years experience in the workforce needs his pants held up by government for his entire life. If you want people dependent on government program's, welfare and grants then they will kill themselves when they realise government can't really help them.

Edited by rusty: 5/5/2014 10:29:29 PM

lol next weeks budget will prolly lose the Libs the next election.

-PB

Media industry lobbying against online piracy is intensifying, amid growing expectations the Abbott government will move shortly to clamp down on internet service providers and the national pastime.

Fairfax Media has been told that federal cabinet will consider two proposals to crack down on illegal downloads as early as this week.

One is internet service providers being required to issue warnings to people who repeatedly download illegally. The other is forcing ISPs to block file-sharing websites such as Pirate Bay.

The government has promised to make ‘‘significant’’ changes to Australia’s copyright laws as a first-term commitment, although a spokesman for Arts Minister and Attorney General George Brandis said there was no firm timetable for this. The topic is also battling for attention ahead of the federal budget.

Senator Brandis has warned that the government could legislate if a voluntary, industry-code of practice for ISPs isn't agreed. He has argued that ISPs ‘‘need to take some responsibility’’ for illegal downloading, because they ‘‘provide the facility which enables this to happen’’.

The ALP, which unsuccessfully sought a voluntary scheme while in government, said it would examine any policy proposal put forward. But it said there was no single solution and the government was yet to ‘‘put forward a coherent policy proposal’’.

‘‘Labor supports the freedom of internet users, while also recognising that the rights of artists and copyright holders need to be protected,’’ a spokeswoman for shadow attorney general Mark Dreyfus said.

News Corp Australia, half owner of pay TV company Foxtel, told Fairfax Media that copyright infringement ‘‘hurts the creative community - it undermines investment, employment, business models and innovation.

‘‘We support the Attorney General’s approach, and while there isn’t a silver bullet, evidence from overseas suggest that such initiatives do work,’’ spokesman Stephen Browning said.

Australians are among the biggest pirates per capita. Debate continues about whether this is driven by opportunism, the delays for overseas content to reach here, or an aversion to the country's higher prices.

Justin Diddams, media analyst at Citi, said last week that the ‘‘increased volume of pirated content consumption is demand driven, more out of necessity’’ than ‘‘some deep ingrained convict desire to steal’’.

There are also varying estimates on how much piracy costs content holders, depending on how illegal downloads are measured as sales foregone.
ISP iiNet in 2012 won a four-year legal battle against 34 parties including Village Roadshow, Disney Enterprises and Dreamworks Films, relating to whether it was responsible for its users’ illegal downloads. The High Court ruled that iiNet had not authorised copyright infringements.

iiNet chief regulatory officer Steve Dalby told Fairfax Media that ISPs should not be held responsible for ‘‘protecting the rights of American companies" and the above changes could cost ‘‘in the order of tens of millions.’’

‘‘There doesn’t seem to be any empirical evidence that either blocking websites or sending harsh notices to customers ... does anything to reduce the incidence of piracy. Show me the evidence,’’ Mr Dalby said.

‘‘As a secondary issue, if we are convinced that it actually will reduce the level of piracy, then we need to talk about who is going to pay for it.’’
The Communications Alliance, the industry body for ISPs, has also argued that rights holders should fund the cost of any scheme, and ensure that content is available quickly and affordably.

Telco giant Telstra said it ‘‘continue[d] to stand willing to engage in constructive discussion with industry and government to help address online piracy through means which balance the interests of all stakeholders including our customers and shareholders.’’

Harold Mitchell, chairman of commercial TV industry body Free TV, said Australia needs to "consistently search for solutions that enable it to continue to develop its own products."

hurr I know more than a 30 yr old with a mortgage and a family yeah give me more

Edited by mvfcarsenal16.8: 5/5/2014 10:26:29 PM

All will be forgiven when the voters see were on path back to surplus. Given it's a long way back to surplus it will probably be another decade before Labor sees government again.

1) Strawman
2) Ad-hominem

Please stop, your overcompensation is obvious and embarrassing.


Edited by 433: 5/5/2014 10:41:50 PM