Pretty funny to use JCU and USQ as comparisons :lol: Yep there are no Universities in the US at that level :roll:

Working for an org that is funded by those unis + the other major Qld unis to help with eResearch, have done a fair bit with of work with JCU in particular and they're doing some pretty cool stuff up there :)

Edited by mcjules: 7/5/2014 12:13:33 PM

Yes.

Ruddy made maths and science degrees half price as a way to get students into them and then Gillard wound that back. Good idea at the time by Rudd but as you say if these degrees aren't valued by society or the government isn't employing people in those fields a lot of graduates will be without a job even though they are highly qualified.

As for biotechnology. Google 3D printing of arteries and be amazed. This is the next big thing.

They are also massive, as in have huge numbers of students, which means they have huge amounts of money. So of course they are better.

What are the other ivy league schools ?? I got family over there and one of my cousins got a scholarship at the other ivy league schools . He emailed me the fees if he didn't get a scholarship :😭😖

We have a "Group of Eight" that are generally known for their prestige. I actually don't think there's much difference in the education quality across most universities (certainly in SA the big 3 are all pretty similar) but for research that's a different matter.

Science in Australia is not respected. Never has been. Unless you're a TV quiz winner .

My son just completed year 12 last year, and is now studying to be a civil engineer. Physics and maths were his forte', but his job prospects are better away from those fields. Most of his friends went on to business and accounting.

I

Shamed to say as a gen X, I was there laying on Melbourne's lawns when some of those radical Arts students came by shouting "No Fees!! No Fees!! Act now: Its the thin edge of the wedge".

We just looked, shrugged our shoulders and said:"Its only a few hundred bucks a year-how bad can it get".

And continued sampling my Chocolate Appreciation Society Bag of cheap Freddo Frogs and reading Farrago Magazine. Oblivious of what was to come.

And now my son faces a $50,000 plus HECS debt, (or whatever its called)

Edited by stefcep: 7/5/2014 04:36:58 PM

Agree ,science isn't looked upon greatly . Sad our best and brightest have to go o/s and get jobs and once they do something we laud them as an Aussie scientific genius . Unless you kick a ball or play sports ,respect won't be afforded to you . Look at our artists , medical people ,etc etc .

hogwash

there are no jobs, not because science is not respected but because there are a lack of local companies willing to employ due to a lack of entrepreneurs and the dominance of the big American and German pharmaceutical corporations

if there are no jobs it doesnt matter how many science graduates you have. we have too many currently and a large portion of them are not good at what they do because its now too easy to get a science degree

Science is a pretty big field, y'know.

I'll go out on a limb and suggest you're talking about biological/medical science-full of graduates who didn't quite make it into MBBS. Yes too many of them I agree.

But physics ain't easy, chemistry ain't easy, and mathematics ain't easy. Y'know, the ones the media calls the "boffins". But you know what happens to *them* IF they score a job in private enterprise? They end up working for a dumbass douche with a BBus or BEc who failed trig in year 10, for about 1/3 of his wage.

you think science isnt easy, try running a business, starting a business, managing staff and generating sales.
there's a reason managers make the big bucks. they generate the income.

yeah, if the guy crunching the numbers, who understands the theory and is coming up with the ideas says"Fuck you", what will Mr Manager sell?

The biggest problem with scientists is that they don't seek their worth-there's always someone who sees the work as its won reward, and will work for whatever.

BTW as it happens I was in management for 3 years-in the end couldn't stand bullshitting to myself by asking my staff them to accept things I wouldn't if I were them. Otherwise known as a "cunt".

sounds like peter principle and management wasn't for you

if there were a shortage of such experts they could name their price. fact is there isn't so market rates apply.

they have the option to go overseas but only because the demand is higher due to there being more entrepreneurs with a can do attitude than can be found in Australia where everyone seems to think the world owes them something due to some entitlement mentality.


Edited by ricecrackers: 7/5/2014 07:28:12 PM

^^ Such am upbeat chappy.

I can't see what's ridiculous about it. It's a fact 19 of the top 50 universities are American. I'm sure there's more to the rankings every year than just "history", otherwise the rankings would stay the same every year, those institutions would become just one year older. It's quite a feat for a single country to have nearly half of the worlds top learning institutions, and many more in the top 100, 200 and 300. America is in fact the fourth most educated country in the world, according to Time. They must be doing something right...

Fact is government subsidised student loans are available to anyone in the US, the difference between here and their is they have to pay theirs back, whereas in Australia much of the debt never gets repaid. That unpaid debt ends of valuable taxpayer dollars down to the toilet, never to be seen again. Tertiary education is also affordable in the US, from about $9k per year to attend a state university. Of course some of the more prestigious unis charge more, as is their right, but those higher charges often lead to higher incomes and better employment prospects. It's called an investment.

It's really not that bad that, it's just more trendy America bashing.

But they're the third most populace country and the most populace first world nation by a long way.

They should be the "most educated country in the world." Not the 4th.

Thats actually a bit of an indictment to the US

They have numerically the most graduates for any developed nation, but they are fourth in terms of a percentage of the population, which is far from an indictment. By all means if there are countries with more successful formulas let's look as theirs as well, but let's not lampoon America by suggesting it is some sort of archetype for academic unfairness and failure. What crap.

I have no issue with forcing the loans to be paid but from my understanding it's regular repayments like any other loan and if you fall into financial trouble it affects your credit rating. I think the government can force more to be paid off without taking such drastic measures.

Changing it to start paying as soon as you earn minimum wage has its merits. It kind of pissed me off when I got my first job as a grad and I wasn't earning enough to start paying anything so the loan was just going up and up. Potentially using part of your inheritance to pay it off if you still have debt when you pass away (as long as if you don't it doesn't get handed down to your next of kin) might be a good idea too. We find ways to tax people's earnings from overseas so why not also for HECS/HELP?

Give him a break. His wife just recently left him.

i'm not the one whingeing

you on the other hand seem to have been burnt rather badly when you decided to take me on. let it be a lesson to you.

:-$

liar :^o [-x

-PB

You need a girlfriend or boyfriend or something . You're too wound up :lol:

on contrary, as it appears my mere presence has wound up many here
perhaps your own relationship situation requires reevaluation :-({|=

3edgy5me

needs more memes
that's standard 442 communication isnt it? who can copy and paste the most reddit memes

Edited by ricecrackers: 8/5/2014 02:33:05 PM

Now Tone is gonna fuck with the fuel excise.

Fuck me dead.

-PB

lefties should be applauding such a green initiative, but they'll still complain because they're supposed to hate the liberal party

Are they doing it as a green measure?

Its the memes and gifs that make this place enjoyable.

We need more of them.