The Australian Politics thread: Prime Minister Anthony Albanese


The Australian Politics thread: Prime Minister Anthony Albanese

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Wants to save the planet, recommends Nuclear Power the way to go. :lol:

WOLLONGONG WOLVES FOR A-LEAGUE EXPANSION!

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Heineken wrote:
Wants to save the planet, recommends Nuclear Power the way to go. :lol:


you probably wont be around in 1000 years time, but I can guarantee you that nuclear energy will be the primary power source behind human civilisation by then
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-Copper networks are degrading over time and costing a lot more in maintenance and upkeep
-Greenfields construction areas have been fibre already for years
-Fibre is the natural progression of technology as a medium for data transmission
-More and more technologies are now IP based
-One of the benefits of fibre is jamming more bandwidth through it but mainly is its transmission distances
-International links are transceiver dependent moreso than medium dependent

List goes on, yada yada yada.

Checkmate.

Get over it.

-PB

https://i.imgur.com/batge7K.jpg

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paulbagzFC wrote:
-Copper networks are degrading over time and costing a lot more in maintenance and upkeep
-Greenfields construction areas have been fibre already for years
-Fibre is the natural progression of technology as a medium for data transmission
-More and more technologies are now IP based
-One of the benefits of fibre is jamming more bandwidth through it but mainly is its transmission distances
-International links are transceiver dependent moreso than medium dependent

List goes on, yada yada yada.

Checkmate.

Get over it.

-PB


the taxpayer shouldnt fund it
get that into your head then get over it
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ricecrackers wrote:
Heineken wrote:
Wants to save the planet, recommends Nuclear Power the way to go. :lol:


you probably wont be around in 1000 years time, but I can guarantee you that nuclear energy will be the primary power source behind human civilisation by then


Yes because it is much more likely that in the next 1000 years we don't develop or discover any additional primary power sources...after all in the last 150 years we've only gone through steam, coal, oil, hydro, solar and nuclear...amongst others.
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Joffa wrote:
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Wants to save the planet, recommends Nuclear Power the way to go. :lol:


you probably wont be around in 1000 years time, but I can guarantee you that nuclear energy will be the primary power source behind human civilisation by then


Yes because it is much more likely that in the next 1000 years we don't develop or discover any additional primary power sources...after all in the last 150 years we've only gone through steam, coal, oil, hydro, solar and nuclear...amongst others.


still getting your hopes up for dilithium crystals?
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For something so big like this, is it even possible that private enterprise would be capable of producing their own high speed networks?
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u4486662 wrote:
For something so big like this, is it even possible that private enterprise would be capable of producing their own high speed networks?


OMG did you just say that? :lol:
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ricecrackers wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
-Copper networks are degrading over time and costing a lot more in maintenance and upkeep
-Greenfields construction areas have been fibre already for years
-Fibre is the natural progression of technology as a medium for data transmission
-More and more technologies are now IP based
-One of the benefits of fibre is jamming more bandwidth through it but mainly is its transmission distances
-International links are transceiver dependent moreso than medium dependent

List goes on, yada yada yada.

Checkmate.

Get over it.

-PB


the taxpayer shouldnt fund it
get that into your head then get over it


Yet we used to before government sold off Telstra which has proven to be a fatal mistake.

You say the taxpayer shouldn't fund it, yet we still are with an ageing out of date copper network.

You seem to have this hate against fibre for the reason of people downloading movies, not because it is becoming an integral service like water, electricity and sewage.

-PB



https://i.imgur.com/batge7K.jpg

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P.S. Keep on going, the hole you sit in gives the worms something to stare at.

Checkmate.

-PB

https://i.imgur.com/batge7K.jpg

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Oh fuck someone asked Crackhead for evidence to back up his bullshit :lol:

Prepare for Matrix-esque bullet dodging.

Popcorn4Checkmates.

-PB

https://i.imgur.com/batge7K.jpg

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paulbagzFC wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
-Copper networks are degrading over time and costing a lot more in maintenance and upkeep
-Greenfields construction areas have been fibre already for years
-Fibre is the natural progression of technology as a medium for data transmission
-More and more technologies are now IP based
-One of the benefits of fibre is jamming more bandwidth through it but mainly is its transmission distances
-International links are transceiver dependent moreso than medium dependent

List goes on, yada yada yada.

Checkmate.

Get over it.

-PB


the taxpayer shouldnt fund it
get that into your head then get over it


Yet we used to before government sold off Telstra which has proven to be a fatal mistake.

You say the taxpayer shouldn't fund it, yet we still are with an ageing out of date copper network.

You seem to have this hate against fibre for the reason of people downloading movies, not because it is becoming an integral service like water, electricity and sewage.

-PB



the false dilemma seems to be a typical theme with you.
however, the taxpayer neednt fund something that is primarily going to be used for downloading movies because thats whats going to take up most of the bandwidth, i can guarantee that.

going from 25mb/s to 100mb/s is not essential to infrastructure.
of course telstra are going to whinge about the ageing infrastructure. thats how they get billions of dollars from the government.

so naive.


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ricecrackers wrote:
Joffa wrote:
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Wants to save the planet, recommends Nuclear Power the way to go. :lol:


you probably wont be around in 1000 years time, but I can guarantee you that nuclear energy will be the primary power source behind human civilisation by then


Yes because it is much more likely that in the next 1000 years we don't develop or discover any additional primary power sources...after all in the last 150 years we've only gone through steam, coal, oil, hydro, solar and nuclear...amongst others.


still getting your hopes up for dilithium crystals?


Sorry my mistake, I thought you were having a serious conversation...carry on.
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RedKat wrote:
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What would you spend the 50 billion on?


i dont know... how about:

- tax cuts
- pension
- nuclear energy research and power plant development


How would you go about those? Surely rather than tax cuts spending in health, education or scientific research is better? And why of all the renewables do you go for nuclear?


assuming we already have health and education budgeted for. a pension that older people and disabled could live on comfortably would be a less burden on the health system. maybe you dont care about such people and merely want your movies to download faster?

education doesnt need billions of dollars thrown at it to make it better. these kinds of assumptions are bunk.

tax cuts would benefit the economy, they always do

what do you think nuclear energy research is? you wouldnt call that scientific?

we have the largest deposit of uranium in the world, we export it but dont use any of it ourselves.

it would also bring energy supply back into the hands of the government hence we wont get fleeced by energy companies exploiting an infrastructure monopoly.

dont you think that might be good for the economy?

do you want to save the planet or not?

other renewables require massive subsidies and they're inefficient. this has been proven time and again.

Edited by ricecrackers: 10/6/2014 09:04:31 PM


Lots of generalisations there and attributing opinions to me that I havent even mentioned.

We have healthy and education being budgeted for but not sufficiently. We could find medical research without copayment and increasing CSIRO funding rather than reducing. We could especially be investing heavily in biotechnologies to prepare the economy for post mining boom. Would be within our interests to gain a competitive advantage now in a field with so much promise both for health and financially. In education theres still a huge gap and some of the poorer schools are really lagging behind. We need to raise the standards both of education we give students and the standards of teaching. The better and wider education is, the better off people are and the higher the chance of upward mobility. Could also spend on vastly improving the scientific curriculum.

I never questioned your suggestion of better pensions.

Ive also not weighed into the internet debate so you dont know my opinion there.

Tax cuts arent uniformly good for the economy. The massive Howard cuts back in the big surplus times was a bad economic mistake and had taxes not been cut there would have been more saved for now when we are in deficits. Also tax cuts to the rich is not always a great idea. Richer people tend to have a higher propensity to save. Saving is not always great for the economy and so rather than tax cuts that money should be invested into the country.

Nuclear energy is scientific but there are faults with it (as everything). Youd want provide money to incentive renewables better so that oil and gas firms dont have the massive competitive advantage they have.

And what is your evidence for your outlandish claim that 'you probably wont be around in 1000 years time, but I can guarantee you that nuclear energy will be the primary power source behind human civilisation by then'



good god you've gone off on a tangent #-o
i was asked what i'd prefer to spend $50bn on rather than the NBN.

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Joffa wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
Joffa wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
Heineken wrote:
Wants to save the planet, recommends Nuclear Power the way to go. :lol:


you probably wont be around in 1000 years time, but I can guarantee you that nuclear energy will be the primary power source behind human civilisation by then


Yes because it is much more likely that in the next 1000 years we don't develop or discover any additional primary power sources...after all in the last 150 years we've only gone through steam, coal, oil, hydro, solar and nuclear...amongst others.


still getting your hopes up for dilithium crystals?


Sorry my mistake, I thought you were having a serious conversation...carry on.


you want serious answer? all of your examples were discovered more than 100 years ago.
so progress hasnt exactly been swift since in finding entirely new energy sources
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ricecrackers wrote:
Joffa wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
Joffa wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
Heineken wrote:
Wants to save the planet, recommends Nuclear Power the way to go. :lol:


you probably wont be around in 1000 years time, but I can guarantee you that nuclear energy will be the primary power source behind human civilisation by then


Yes because it is much more likely that in the next 1000 years we don't develop or discover any additional primary power sources...after all in the last 150 years we've only gone through steam, coal, oil, hydro, solar and nuclear...amongst others.


still getting your hopes up for dilithium crystals?


Sorry my mistake, I thought you were having a serious conversation...carry on.


you want serious answer? all of your examples were discovered more than 100 years ago.
so progress hasnt exactly been swift since in finding entirely new energy sources


Really? solar and nuclear?
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Joffa wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
Joffa wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
Joffa wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
Heineken wrote:
Wants to save the planet, recommends Nuclear Power the way to go. :lol:


you probably wont be around in 1000 years time, but I can guarantee you that nuclear energy will be the primary power source behind human civilisation by then


Yes because it is much more likely that in the next 1000 years we don't develop or discover any additional primary power sources...after all in the last 150 years we've only gone through steam, coal, oil, hydro, solar and nuclear...amongst others.


still getting your hopes up for dilithium crystals?


Sorry my mistake, I thought you were having a serious conversation...carry on.


you want serious answer? all of your examples were discovered more than 100 years ago.
so progress hasnt exactly been swift since in finding entirely new energy sources


Really? solar and nuclear?


really
radium was discovered in 1898
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ricecrackers wrote:
Joffa wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
Joffa wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
Joffa wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
Heineken wrote:
Wants to save the planet, recommends Nuclear Power the way to go. :lol:


you probably wont be around in 1000 years time, but I can guarantee you that nuclear energy will be the primary power source behind human civilisation by then


Yes because it is much more likely that in the next 1000 years we don't develop or discover any additional primary power sources...after all in the last 150 years we've only gone through steam, coal, oil, hydro, solar and nuclear...amongst others.


still getting your hopes up for dilithium crystals?


Sorry my mistake, I thought you were having a serious conversation...carry on.


you want serious answer? all of your examples were discovered more than 100 years ago.
so progress hasnt exactly been swift since in finding entirely new energy sources


Really? solar and nuclear?


really
radium was discovered in 1898


Only person who mentioned 100 years was you, I mentioned 150 years...
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Joffa wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
Joffa wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
Joffa wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
Joffa wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
Heineken wrote:
Wants to save the planet, recommends Nuclear Power the way to go. :lol:


you probably wont be around in 1000 years time, but I can guarantee you that nuclear energy will be the primary power source behind human civilisation by then


Yes because it is much more likely that in the next 1000 years we don't develop or discover any additional primary power sources...after all in the last 150 years we've only gone through steam, coal, oil, hydro, solar and nuclear...amongst others.


still getting your hopes up for dilithium crystals?


Sorry my mistake, I thought you were having a serious conversation...carry on.


you want serious answer? all of your examples were discovered more than 100 years ago.
so progress hasnt exactly been swift since in finding entirely new energy sources


Really? solar and nuclear?


really
radium was discovered in 1898


Only person who mentioned 100 years was you, I mentioned 150 years...


:?

i cant believe i'm having this discussion with you
my point was all of your energy sources had been discovered more than 100 years ago.
its unlikely you'll find an entirely new source in the next 1000.

some kind of nuclear energy is inevitably the future. i guarantee it.
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Nuclear powered fuel is the only economically viable alternative to coal. It's the way to go.
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Nuclear is clean but the waste is the hard part. Where to store it without making a place a dumping place for radioactive waste .
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And until they find a way to store the used Nuclear Waste and by-products safely, it's about as beneficial to the wider environment as coal.

That and there's a higher risk of plant's blowing up and making new Chernobyl's and Fukoshimas.

WOLLONGONG WOLVES FOR A-LEAGUE EXPANSION!

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And would people really want to Live next to a nuclear dumping ground if we do go nuclear .
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I think it's not unrealistic to expect humans to work out how to control a nuclear fusion reaction sometime in the next 1000 years so yes I also expect nuclear to be a big part of our future energy generation.

Edited by mcjules: 10/6/2014 11:44:48 PM

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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Nuclear is clean but the waste is the hard part. Where to store it without making a place a dumping place for radioactive waste .


hence why to spend some of that $50bn on research
thorium reactors for example eat their own waste

but to go conventional we have this stat
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Over the past four decades, the entire industry has produced 71,780 metric tons of used nuclear fuel. If used fuel assemblies were stacked end-to-end and side-by-side, this would cover a football field about seven yards deep.


not a hell of lot considered the degradation to land and sea caused by fossil fuel industries
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Heineken wrote:
And until they find a way to store the used Nuclear Waste and by-products safely, it's about as beneficial to the wider environment as coal.

That and there's a higher risk of plant's blowing up and making new Chernobyl's and Fukoshimas.


Chernobyl was extremely old technology. it was also a weapons plant.
there is no comparison to modern reactors operating in places like France.

Fukashima was also relatively old 60;s technology. the worst case scenario of an earthquake and tsunami occurred and not a single person died from radioactive leakage.

its been blown out of proportion by the fossil fuel industry from both Russia and the US as well as various conspiracy sites who've been misled by the same propaganda.
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ricecrackers wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
-Copper networks are degrading over time and costing a lot more in maintenance and upkeep
-Greenfields construction areas have been fibre already for years
-Fibre is the natural progression of technology as a medium for data transmission
-More and more technologies are now IP based
-One of the benefits of fibre is jamming more bandwidth through it but mainly is its transmission distances
-International links are transceiver dependent moreso than medium dependent

List goes on, yada yada yada.

Checkmate.

Get over it.

-PB


the taxpayer shouldnt fund it
get that into your head then get over it


Yet we used to before government sold off Telstra which has proven to be a fatal mistake.

You say the taxpayer shouldn't fund it, yet we still are with an ageing out of date copper network.

You seem to have this hate against fibre for the reason of people downloading movies, not because it is becoming an integral service like water, electricity and sewage.

-PB



the false dilemma seems to be a typical theme with you.
however, the taxpayer neednt fund something that is primarily going to be used for downloading movies because thats whats going to take up most of the bandwidth, i can guarantee that.

going from 25mb/s to 100mb/s is not essential to infrastructure.
of course telstra are going to whinge about the ageing infrastructure. thats how they get billions of dollars from the government.

so naive.



Except you can't even get 25mbps out of the current Copper infrastructure :lol:

So clueless/have no idea :lol:

CHECKMATE.

-PB

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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Nuclear is clean but the waste is the hard part. Where to store it without making a place a dumping place for radioactive waste .


Outta space brah.

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ricecrackers wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Nuclear is clean but the waste is the hard part. Where to store it without making a place a dumping place for radioactive waste .


hence why to spend some of that $50bn on research
thorium reactors for example eat their own waste

but to go conventional we have this stat


To bad nobody will be able to download the plans for such reactors because the internet will be too slow.

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paulbagzFC wrote:
ricecrackers wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Nuclear is clean but the waste is the hard part. Where to store it without making a place a dumping place for radioactive waste .


hence why to spend some of that $50bn on research
thorium reactors for example eat their own waste

but to go conventional we have this stat


To bad nobody will be able to download the plans for such reactors because the internet will be too slow.

Pbagz 421 - Crackhead 0

Checking your mates.

-PB


your mental state is deteriorating with every post.
not that you were coming off a high base to begin with however i suggest you take a break
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