All of that is all well and good PROVIDED burqa wearing is a free choice.

Besides that you should specifically address what you think is wrong with the previous few posts rather that generalise those that think it's a bit "how ya going" are Islamaphobes. (Note I am not claiming it is a security risk.)

Fundamentalist types of any religion shit me. From your abortion bombing far right Christian nutjobs to your wannabe Jihadist muslim idiot. Fundamentalists are full blown mental cases that can't be reasoned with, rely on faith to make their decisions and moral judgements and are incapable of logical thought.

For me, the burqa, not the lady inside, seems to be representative of a fundamentalist mindset.

It may well not be but, like it or not, that's what it looks like.

Again I reiterate, the vast majority of the Moslem world wouldn't be seen dead in this getup.

I don't think they need to distract too much re:new ASIO laws, too many people have the opinion "I've got nothing to hide so it doesn't bother me". ](*,)

As I said, the burqa isn't worth debating. The vast majority of Australian Muslim women wouldn't be seen dead in this getup.

Which is funny, because they are laws that restrict the freedoms of whistleblowers and journalists, something that Labor tried and failed due to Murdoch and LNP opposition.

The ALP don't want to look weak so supported this draconian bullshit. In turn, they look fucking spineless.

You blokes are a joke.

You're happy to hide behind the "it's your right to offend / say whatever you want / freedom of speech is right" bollocks when you're talking about anything else in any other thread but then run a mile when someone says we should talk about whether the burqa should be banned or not.

Another case of religion getting a free pass and a free kick.

I guarantee you if I walked down Pitt St mall tomorrow naked I'd be arrested in not time at all.

Why? Because society, as a collective, decided that that wasn't socially acceptable.

But bung a tent on your head and walk about the place, despite Australia having absolutely no history of this sort of gear and despite the fact that quite a few people find it confronting and well, that's OK because thaaaat's religion.

Oh right?! Well jog on then.

Fucking garbage. Could you walk down the street in full SS Nazi regalia shouting "Sieg Heil"?

Could I walk down George St with "C UNT" emblazoned on a T-shirt without being arrested? No I can't because it's deemed socially unacceptable.

Society decides what's acceptable not some moral absolute.

Bravo =d>

lol that's fairly standard attire here in Townsville 8-[ o:)

-PB

So you think it's necessary to legislate against it? Some people find tattoos confronting, should we ban them too?

If society deems it as unacceptable, it will always be a fringe issue.

Edited by mcjules: 2/10/2014 03:36:19 PM

Misdirected anger.

It's cool mate, we all experience it. Learning to deal with it is extremely gratifying.

Want to ban tattoos? Fine, fill your boots. Have the debate.

But I bet if you started a discussion in public you wouldn't get shouted down like you do when, heaven forbid, you discuss some ridiculous aspect of a religious observance.

Nice sidestep.

I can't tell if he's upset by the burqa, or the fact that he perceives being told that his thoughts are pointless as an attack on his freedom of speech.

At the end of the day, any public burqa bans are unconstitutional. It cannot be done without overhauling the religious freedom section of our constitution, which I can guarantee won't end well for secularists.

Who's stopping you having the debate? If it's that important to you go for it. I actually don't think it's that important an issue, nor do I think it's worthwhile legislating against. If security is the problem, you can legislate in a way that doesn't mean it needs to be banned outright. If oppressing women is the problem, the attire is just a symptom of the problem and banning it won't make a significant difference.

Has to be a bit of both.

The bigger issue is a lot of rights and liberties have been taken away, with legislation introduced in recent weeks.

Australia's true bogan-ness has shone in the last few weeks.

It's the vibe, it's Mabo.

Might have to start wearing my motorcycle helmet everywhere. They need to admit that its because they're afraid of motorcycles if they don't like it.

I guess you missed the recent bikie scares

Just gave my local member (ALP) a serve on Facebook for his lack of voice against the ASIO bill this week after he posted this video from Tanya Plibersek.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=787906947936766&permPage=1

And Bill Shorten needs to go.

Spineless fucker.

Bunch of feelgood populist crap.

But you are right about Shorten, I'd never vote for him. He comes off as weak and effeminate.

If you're gonna be ok with any form of clothing then you should be equally ok with no clothing.

I wanna walk into parliament house naked. If someone is allowed to walk into there with a burqa on, then I should be allowed in there in the nud.

Its my right. Its my religion to get my dick out.

It's the do gooders that scare me more than anything.

Who are they?

And how so?

-PB

don't need to ban the head wear of Muslims,

just do what they do for motorcyclists and place a sign up in security sensitive area's that the head wear must be removed before entry.

Find a religion where that's a tenant and away you go. (As a bonus, don't pay taxes.)

Has there been previous occasions where a PM has stepped in to over rule parliament legisltation before?

-PB

details???

That's the most sensible way to go, I think the issue is whether that's legal and/or constitutional to legislate. I still don't think it's a big enough deal but it keeps getting oxygen by people that have agendas other than security. If they just got it done, it's one less excuse to use.

does it need to be legislated?

i can understand for security purposes the removal of head wear and to be honest anyone who whinges about showing their face is just being difficult, any issues about religion or culture sensitivity can be ironed out through management practices........

When my son was in Afghanistan he was involved in an incident where they were attacked by what they thought was a woman with the full kit on, turned out to be a bloke with AK47 and strap on bombs, 3 were seriously injured and my son copped shrapnel to the chest & legs