I did throw the majority right-wing in there just for you (and rusty), well spotted. =d> I agree that polls aren't the be all and end all but i will still quote it to peddle my trolling shit, the Gillard government was productive and passed a lot of excellent reformsunfunded ideological unsustainable debt crippling but still struggled in the polls. They didn't have the msm on side like this government does thoughyour dreaming again. They're just an indicator but good enough to prop up an argument??lol. The types of policies this government has introduced and the number of high profile (albeit shit) ones that are struggling to be passed is another.[/quote] with a projected dept figure of some 660billion when elected its hard for any reasonable minded person to defend the previous government[/quote]
Why can't I use an indicator of performance to support an argument? :-k

no sorry that is not true......the whole argument here IS that you all defend the Rudd/ Gillard / Rudd government as if they have saved a nation....LOL](*,) ](*,) ](*,) , they were train wreck and left a huge mess........simple

there are plenty of problems with this government, no argument there, but do you think any government could do a great job with policies being blocked left right and centre, massive forecast vs actual figures from the treasury that between figures given when leaving VS actual are some 30-50 billion out???? sorry yes i am older 52 to be exact and this pattern of blowing the $$$ and then handing it to an incoming government is something that the ALP have done for all their history......tends to put people off......in saying that, it will be hard for any government to fix the economy and books while so many people are looking for handouts and are supporting the welfare mentality that has crept into the Australian psyshe.....

with a projected dept figure of some 660billion when elected its hard for any reasonable minded person to defend the previous government[/quote]
Why can't I use an indicator of performance to support an argument? :-k [/quote]

oh c'mon, the polls are not a performance indicator anymore than masturbation is meaningful sex

whatever you say......everything anyone but the ALP does is worse........](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)

Lots of parties do things better than the ALP including the Liberal party. The problem is, the things that the Liberal party do better are things that I don't ideologically agree with so why would you expect me to praise them constantly?

When I see a good performer, like Robb then I will give some praise. In general though, this government is on the nose and is doing much worse than the Gillard government. My opinion, I know you don't see it the same way and I'm completely fine with that.

Seeming those people polled are a sample of the population that will vote then yes they are a performance indicator. Just one of many.

sorry....we will have to agree to disagree, in my opinion you can't do any worse than the RUDD/GILLARD/RUDD government

* blew a have surplus and future fund
* decimated the live cattle industry
* installed a carbon tax that cost more than it created in revenue
* dismantled and created a huge problem with the boat people policy
* could not manage or control a free insulation program that cost lives and burnt down houses
* could not implement or manage the BER that saw billions wasted
* could not implement or manage a solar rebate system that blew out to 3 times the budget it was planned for
* installed so much red tape on small to medium business that liquidations spiraled out of control under their watch
and the list goes on and on and on and on

but hey they are fucken awesome

Oh boy

Yep letting this one go right through to the keeper :lol:

It's the old "I'm not an LNP supporter, but let me throw dozens of their oft-repeated & oft-debunked talking points at you to prove why Labor is shit" again.

If voter demographics stay the way they do we are not going to have a popular PM for a long while. There is a pretty even split of right and left voters in aus. This leads to situations were one side will make promises and have the majority of them blocked by the other side. In turn both pissing off their own voters along with the other side already not liking them.

We could do with a John Key type tbh. Someone with the balls to push GST and tax bracket changes would be nice.

Edited by damonzzzz: 23/11/2014 02:27:42 PM

that's right deflect when you are defeated....i'd expect that from you

hard to deny they were the worst government in recent history.....but know yourself out

be nice if Lambie quits PUP and the government gets on with business, if they fuck it they will be voted out....no problems.....worst thing for this country has been the minority governments manipulated by the greens and PUP....

Pretty much agree here. My political ideologies tend to lean to the right but I really am not a fan of this current government. Still I would rather see them have the power to make some change. They will either succeed or bomb out hard and get voted out at the next election.

What are we counting as recent history? By which measures are you ranking governments?

What do you mean 'know' myself out?

Been over all that before, no point going over it again. Your opinion and my opinion haven't changed.

Where is this information coming from?

I'd expect the ABC to be a lot higher quality if it costs 1bil per year.

-PB

Also where is the evidence that the BER failed?

-PB

yeah i know...but you are full of shit....you call me out on certain things ,.then guilty of it your self....

no comment on the level of funding the ABC has received, in excess of a billion dollars in a single year and you hide....like the ALP all talk no action

yes i would to, instead of just the propaganda, "KEEP YOUR HAND OUR ABC" and a 5% cut is nothing, as a business we went through a revenue drop of over 50% when the GFC hit and we are still here, Mark Scott is a blight of taxpayers.....

Paul, they intent was right and for that they are to be applauded, but as usual the implementation and management lets them down, as per the insulation scheme, the NBN, the solar rebate scheme and most of their policy, ok on paper but to but bragging about it to know whats happening with it........

ABC employees more people then you ever would of though. A 50% cut would leave a lot of people unemployed and no longer paying taxes.

:roll:

You haven't qualified your definition of failure despite repeated requests. Economic case studies have shown the BER and Batts scheme to have achieved their economic aims and help stimulate several industries swirling the drain during the worst global economic downturn in our lifetimes.

The actions of the ALP during the GFC were praised by economic groups all over the world. I'm not sure why a tradie from Mudgee thinks he knows global economics better than the IMF.

Like I said, you claim to not be partisan but ignore the evidence that demonstrates your opinions to be little other than LNP talking points pushed by the likes of Bolt and Jones.

I've been searching around for this 1bil dollar figure and I'm yet to find one.

Where exactly did you see/hear that?

-PB

Ok so you're referring to other things that the ALP implemented but haven't addressed where/how the BER was a failure?

-PB

It's from Turnbull

Still looking for a breakdown of where the funding goes but that previous article mentions 20% to broadcasting costs. So we're down to $800 million. If you really think about all the things they do, particular around providing media services to rural and remote communities that are completely unprofitable for the commercials it's probably not as ridiculous as it may sound.

sorry Matt, you are guilty of the same.......when you stop avoiding questions i shall do the same.....

and i am uncertain as to who this tradie from Mudge is???