The Australian Politics thread: Prime Minister Anthony Albanese


The Australian Politics thread: Prime Minister Anthony Albanese

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notorganic wrote:
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Saying that she won't sell assets isn't a plan.


That is so naive it's just sad mate.

One day maybe he'll get some life experience and stop parroting what his parents tell him. I did have a chuckle about calling us "virgins" as I'm sitting in a maternity ward with my 3 day old son :lol:


Ah yes, not only a perfectly objective and rational thinker but one who is free of parental influence, unlike all those parentally influenced conservatives! Cant they see how parentally influenced they are!

It must be great being a Labor supporter, possessing minds of such power that they are able free themselves of all bias and parental influence.

Political binary is a social construct.


Exactly. Those who are parentally influenced and those who arnet
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u4486662 wrote:


#grewsum

Smack down!
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SlyGoat36 wrote:
Labor raise the debt and leave a mess for the Libs to fix. People than get mad at liberal and vote labor back in.

It's a cycle that will continue.


It's how it's always been.

Labor spend money, LNP hoard money.

Labor spends too much, LNP cuts too much.

Rinse etc.

-PB

https://i.imgur.com/batge7K.jpg

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Always love the arrogance from LNP politicians and their supporters.

The same arrogance that leads to their downfall.

-PB

https://i.imgur.com/batge7K.jpg

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paulbagzFC wrote:
SlyGoat36 wrote:
Labor raise the debt and leave a mess for the Libs to fix. People than get mad at liberal and vote labor back in.

It's a cycle that will continue.


It's how it's always been.

Labor spend money, LNP hoard money.

Labor spends too much, LNP cuts too much.

Rinse etc.

-PB


It doesn't matter how much they cut, any cut is too severe, wicked, cruel, etc. They could cut a 5c from Medicare and the press gallery and twittersphere would still go bananas with confected outrage. Remember when the LNP proposed to introduce a meager $5 co-payments for GP visits and the way the media reacted; emergency room queues thousands of miles long, sick people drying on the street, the collapse of universal healthcare. All this while being entirely silent on the cost of medicines, which can cost thousands.

It's not like the LNP are trying to generate billions of dollars in profit they can stash under their beds, they're just trying to pay down billions in interest payments and move towards a surplus. Surpluses aren't just a righty thing, even the former government promised to deliver surpluses.
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Holy shit jaquie lambie is on fire . Also barnaby joyce still using the government debt is like household debt .
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rusty wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
SlyGoat36 wrote:
Labor raise the debt and leave a mess for the Libs to fix. People than get mad at liberal and vote labor back in.

It's a cycle that will continue.


It's how it's always been.

Labor spend money, LNP hoard money.

Labor spends too much, LNP cuts too much.

Rinse etc.

-PB


It doesn't matter how much they cut, any cut is too severe, wicked, cruel, etc. They could cut a 5c from Medicare and the press gallery and twittersphere would still go bananas with confected outrage. Remember when the LNP proposed to introduce a meager $5 co-payments for GP visits and the way the media reacted; emergency room queues thousands of miles long, sick people drying on the street, the collapse of universal healthcare. All this while being entirely silent on the cost of medicines, which can cost thousands.

It's not like the LNP are trying to generate billions of dollars in profit they can stash under their beds, they're just trying to pay down billions in interest payments and move towards a surplus. Surpluses aren't just a righty thing, even the former government promised to deliver surpluses.

No one likes the way the LNP and their supporters have become so arrogant. I think I am willing to give everyone a fair go but the LNP need to start making decisions based on good policy not ideology. The world goes in phases and at the moment no one wants cuts we all want growth. That's just the way it is.
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krones3 wrote:
rusty wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
SlyGoat36 wrote:
Labor raise the debt and leave a mess for the Libs to fix. People than get mad at liberal and vote labor back in.

It's a cycle that will continue.


It's how it's always been.

Labor spend money, LNP hoard money.

Labor spends too much, LNP cuts too much.

Rinse etc.

-PB


It doesn't matter how much they cut, any cut is too severe, wicked, cruel, etc. They could cut a 5c from Medicare and the press gallery and twittersphere would still go bananas with confected outrage. Remember when the LNP proposed to introduce a meager $5 co-payments for GP visits and the way the media reacted; emergency room queues thousands of miles long, sick people drying on the street, the collapse of universal healthcare. All this while being entirely silent on the cost of medicines, which can cost thousands.

It's not like the LNP are trying to generate billions of dollars in profit they can stash under their beds, they're just trying to pay down billions in interest payments and move towards a surplus. Surpluses aren't just a righty thing, even the former government promised to deliver surpluses.

No one likes the way the LNP and their supporters have become so arrogant. I think I am willing to give everyone a fair go but the LNP need to start making decisions based on good policy not ideology. The world goes in phases and at the moment no one wants cuts we all want growth. That's just the way it is.


All the welfare mongrels just want another stimulus package.


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rusty wrote:
u4486662 wrote:


#grewsum

Smack down!



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SlyGoat36 wrote:
krones3 wrote:
rusty wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
SlyGoat36 wrote:
Labor raise the debt and leave a mess for the Libs to fix. People than get mad at liberal and vote labor back in.

It's a cycle that will continue.


It's how it's always been.

Labor spend money, LNP hoard money.

Labor spends too much, LNP cuts too much.

Rinse etc.

-PB


It doesn't matter how much they cut, any cut is too severe, wicked, cruel, etc. They could cut a 5c from Medicare and the press gallery and twittersphere would still go bananas with confected outrage. Remember when the LNP proposed to introduce a meager $5 co-payments for GP visits and the way the media reacted; emergency room queues thousands of miles long, sick people drying on the street, the collapse of universal healthcare. All this while being entirely silent on the cost of medicines, which can cost thousands.

It's not like the LNP are trying to generate billions of dollars in profit they can stash under their beds, they're just trying to pay down billions in interest payments and move towards a surplus. Surpluses aren't just a righty thing, even the former government promised to deliver surpluses.

No one likes the way the LNP and their supporters have become so arrogant. I think I am willing to give everyone a fair go but the LNP need to start making decisions based on good policy not ideology. The world goes in phases and at the moment no one wants cuts we all want growth. That's just the way it is.


All the welfare mongrels just want another stimulus package.


mummy and daddy aren't a atm go get a job you bludger
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SlyGoat36 wrote:
krones3 wrote:
rusty wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
SlyGoat36 wrote:
Labor raise the debt and leave a mess for the Libs to fix. People than get mad at liberal and vote labor back in.

It's a cycle that will continue.


It's how it's always been.

Labor spend money, LNP hoard money.

Labor spends too much, LNP cuts too much.

Rinse etc.

-PB


It doesn't matter how much they cut, any cut is too severe, wicked, cruel, etc. They could cut a 5c from Medicare and the press gallery and twittersphere would still go bananas with confected outrage. Remember when the LNP proposed to introduce a meager $5 co-payments for GP visits and the way the media reacted; emergency room queues thousands of miles long, sick people drying on the street, the collapse of universal healthcare. All this while being entirely silent on the cost of medicines, which can cost thousands.

It's not like the LNP are trying to generate billions of dollars in profit they can stash under their beds, they're just trying to pay down billions in interest payments and move towards a surplus. Surpluses aren't just a righty thing, even the former government promised to deliver surpluses.

No one likes the way the LNP and their supporters have become so arrogant. I think I am willing to give everyone a fair go but the LNP need to start making decisions based on good policy not ideology. The world goes in phases and at the moment no one wants cuts we all want growth. That's just the way it is.


All the welfare mongrels just want another stimulus package.


No they don't I have been angry for 3 years I just did not know everyone else was.
Face it mate with an overwhelming majority they totally fucked up.they should of been in government for 9 years. The people have spoken
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There's been some pearlers today but this one was my favourite.
rusty wrote:
The problem is Libs need around three terms to fix the debt and budget.

9 years seems like enough time to wait out a global downturn and take advantage of the recovery :lol:

Insert Gertjan Verbeek gifs here

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krones3 wrote:

No one likes the way the LNP and their supporters have become so arrogant. I think I am willing to give everyone a fair go but the LNP need to start making decisions based on good policy not ideology. The world goes in phases and at the moment no one wants cuts we all want growth. That's just the way it is.


Are you sure it's the LNP who is arrogant? We're not the ones racking up hundreds of billions of dollars of debt to burden our children with, just because we're unable to accept meager cuts to our standard of living. We're conditioned to living as if we're still int he midst of a mining boom, people just can't accept those days are over and not wanting cuts and wanting sustainable growth is an oxymoron. History will judge us harshly..
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mcjules wrote:
There's been some pearlers today but this one was my favourite.
rusty wrote:
The problem is Libs need around three terms to fix the debt and budget.

9 years seems like enough time to wait out a global downturn and take advantage of the recovery :lol:


Yeah because that economic recovery that will magically solve everything is just round the corner.
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You do realise government debt isnt like househousehold debt. The libs use this to scare people with
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
SlyGoat36 wrote:
krones3 wrote:
rusty wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
SlyGoat36 wrote:
Labor raise the debt and leave a mess for the Libs to fix. People than get mad at liberal and vote labor back in.

It's a cycle that will continue.


It's how it's always been.

Labor spend money, LNP hoard money.

Labor spends too much, LNP cuts too much.

Rinse etc.

-PB


It doesn't matter how much they cut, any cut is too severe, wicked, cruel, etc. They could cut a 5c from Medicare and the press gallery and twittersphere would still go bananas with confected outrage. Remember when the LNP proposed to introduce a meager $5 co-payments for GP visits and the way the media reacted; emergency room queues thousands of miles long, sick people drying on the street, the collapse of universal healthcare. All this while being entirely silent on the cost of medicines, which can cost thousands.

It's not like the LNP are trying to generate billions of dollars in profit they can stash under their beds, they're just trying to pay down billions in interest payments and move towards a surplus. Surpluses aren't just a righty thing, even the former government promised to deliver surpluses.

No one likes the way the LNP and their supporters have become so arrogant. I think I am willing to give everyone a fair go but the LNP need to start making decisions based on good policy not ideology. The world goes in phases and at the moment no one wants cuts we all want growth. That's just the way it is.


All the welfare mongrels just want another stimulus package.


mummy and daddy aren't a atm go get a job you bludger


I was born into poverty, I've never asked them for charity. If people want money you go out and earn it.

Too many people believe the world owes them everything.

Maybe it's all the labor voters I've met, they are just plebs.

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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
You do realise government debt isnt like househousehold debt. The libs use this to scare people with


It's exactly like household debt. It's borrowed money that accrues interest and has to be repaid, restricts spending and investment and can be defaulted on. The idea that government debt is this magical bottomless pool of money is what Labs use to justify their spending binges.
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rusty wrote:
mcjules wrote:
There's been some pearlers today but this one was my favourite.
rusty wrote:
The problem is Libs need around three terms to fix the debt and budget.

9 years seems like enough time to wait out a global downturn and take advantage of the recovery :lol:


Yeah because that economic recovery that will magically solve everything is just round the corner.

Economic recovery = more revenue = debt paid off. Decent chance that will happen in the next 9 years. The budgets from both the former and current governments forecast an increase in revenue in the coming years to help reduce the deficits.

Insert Gertjan Verbeek gifs here

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rusty wrote:
krones3 wrote:

No one likes the way the LNP and their supporters have become so arrogant. I think I am willing to give everyone a fair go but the LNP need to start making decisions based on good policy not ideology. The world goes in phases and at the moment no one wants cuts we all want growth. That's just the way it is.


Are you sure it's the LNP who is arrogant? We're not the ones racking up hundreds of billions of dollars of debt to burden our children with, just because we're unable to accept meager cuts to our standard of living. We're conditioned to living as if we're still int he midst of a mining boom, people just can't accept those days are over and not wanting cuts and wanting sustainable growth is an oxymoron. History will judge us harshly..

I am sure. If your not look at the language in thier supporters in the papers and on forums.
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Holy shit jaquie lambie is on fire . Also barnaby joyce still using the government debt is like household debt .

Joyce also thinks that a mild day in summer disproves climate change, just to reinforce his capacity for facts.
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It does not matter anyway fed LNP is as good as gone. They don't listen and that will be their end.
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krones3 wrote:
rusty wrote:
krones3 wrote:

No one likes the way the LNP and their supporters have become so arrogant. I think I am willing to give everyone a fair go but the LNP need to start making decisions based on good policy not ideology. The world goes in phases and at the moment no one wants cuts we all want growth. That's just the way it is.


Are you sure it's the LNP who is arrogant? We're not the ones racking up hundreds of billions of dollars of debt to burden our children with, just because we're unable to accept meager cuts to our standard of living. We're conditioned to living as if we're still int he midst of a mining boom, people just can't accept those days are over and not wanting cuts and wanting sustainable growth is an oxymoron. History will judge us harshly..

I am sure. If your not look at the language in thier supporters in the papers and on forums.


Language? What about the billions of dollars of debt and billions of dollars of deficits Labor left behind? Language are mere words, easily forgotten and do no nothing, the affects of huge debt can last for a long time, destroy lives and sometimes entire countries. It's strange you're angry about the arrogant words of LNP supporters forums but totally relaxed about the hundreds of billions of dollars of debt and billions of dollars of interest the Labor party wants to burden your children with.
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notorganic wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Holy shit jaquie lambie is on fire . Also barnaby joyce still using the government debt is like household debt .

Joyce also thinks that a mild day in summer disproves climate change, just to reinforce his capacity for facts.


Don't the greens usually argue a fire in summer proves climate change?
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rusty wrote:
krones3 wrote:
rusty wrote:
krones3 wrote:

No one likes the way the LNP and their supporters have become so arrogant. I think I am willing to give everyone a fair go but the LNP need to start making decisions based on good policy not ideology. The world goes in phases and at the moment no one wants cuts we all want growth. That's just the way it is.


Are you sure it's the LNP who is arrogant? We're not the ones racking up hundreds of billions of dollars of debt to burden our children with, just because we're unable to accept meager cuts to our standard of living. We're conditioned to living as if we're still int he midst of a mining boom, people just can't accept those days are over and not wanting cuts and wanting sustainable growth is an oxymoron. History will judge us harshly..

I am sure. If your not look at the language in thier supporters in the papers and on forums.


Language? What about the billions of dollars of debt and billions of dollars of deficits Labor left behind? Language are mere words, easily forgotten and do no nothing, the affects of huge debt can last for a long time, destroy lives and sometimes entire countries. It's strange you're angry about the arrogant words of LNP supporters forums but totally relaxed about the hundreds of billions of dollars of debt and billions of dollars of interest the Labor party wants to burden your children with.

It's not mere words I have seen this attitude permeated through the public service.
Tell me is it cost effective to have a hospital board duplicated in every hospital in the state? Or have a governing body in bris?
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Yeah, rusty mad.
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mcjules wrote:
rusty wrote:
mcjules wrote:
There's been some pearlers today but this one was my favourite.
rusty wrote:
The problem is Libs need around three terms to fix the debt and budget.

9 years seems like enough time to wait out a global downturn and take advantage of the recovery :lol:


Yeah because that economic recovery that will magically solve everything is just round the corner.

Economic recovery = more revenue = debt paid off. Decent chance that will happen in the next 9 years. The budgets from both the former and current governments forecast an increase in revenue in the coming years to help reduce the deficits.


That's on the assumption wage growth remains constant and there are no income tax cuts. If there are no tax cuts bracket creep will push low wages into the third highest tax bracket and average wages into the second tier. How do you think that will go down with a public who frequently complains about the rising cost of living? So in effect you would be asking people to sacrifice their standard of living in order to pay off Labors debt, and even worse is the regressive nature of it which would impact the poor and low wage earners the most, who would be remitting 37c in every dollar to the government and push many over the edge and into poverty.

There' also a decent chance the economy will suffer another downturn in the next nine years. If so we wouldn't have as much scope to adopt stimulus measures such as last time when our debt was net negative. We all saw the impact the GFC had on most of the OECD and yet how we were the only country with no debt and incidentally only one of two to avoid recession. Sadly not all governments had the luxury of sending out $900 cheques to everyone.
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When did we become so skittish? Scott Bowman says it doesn't speak highly of our democracy that another first term premier may soon be discarded and that our PM faces an uphill battle to make it to another election.

Like an out-of-control cruise liner veering blindly between icebergs in the dark, Australia has lost all control of its political system.

Except in Australia's case, it's not so much those at the wheel of the ship that are putting us in danger. It's the obnoxious, demanding passengers who kick the captain and crew overboard each time they encounter a bit of swell.

Over the past few years, a phenomenon led by the eastern states has made discarding politicians our new national sport. Since 2010, this side of the country has dispensed with its state and federal leaders and governments at a rate triple that of the 25 years prior.

Our patience and tolerance as voters has become so skittish that we can't always wait for a general election to oust a leader we dislike anymore, we expect blood today. Following the November dumping of its only one-term government since the Korean war, Victoria is today on to its fourth premier and third government in five years. Yet the 25 years before saw just four changes of premier and two changes of government. NSW is onto its sixth premier in 10 years - more leadership changes than the preceding 25 years.

In Queensland, the state election is dominated by the spectacle that we may be about to discard a first-term Premier, which would see us with our fourth premier in seven years. Again, about as many as we entrusted to the job in the 25 years prior. And this after we endorsed his leadership through a whopping 78-7 seat majority just three years ago. Tasmania doesn't escape the vicious new order either - four different premiers since 2008, but six in the previous 25 years.

This growing fickleness of voting behaviour in the eastern states has infected the national scene as well. Our seats on the east changed back and forth far more dramatically over the past three federal elections than they did in the centre and the west. It was this impulsive, vacillating herd mentality that contributed to five prime ministers and three governments in the seven years since 2007, in contrast to just three leadership changes, and two governments, in the 25 years preceding.

And far from being satisfied with the Hunger Games we've inflicted upon our rotation of national leaders in recent years, there is today credible chatter of removing the current Prime Minister before the next election.

Granted, not every change of state or federal guard in the past decade has come from electoral lunacy. There have been some genuine retirements, and others who justifiably deserved to be shown the door.

But the numbers don't lie, and there is an undeniable creep of superficiality contaminating our voting behaviour.

Channel-surfing politics has arrived, and it is a stain on our prospects of executing a long-term vision for Australia. It manifests itself in a new breed of politicians so neutered in their capacity to effect tough decisions that their only currency left to trade is populism and band aid fixes. Such is the axe we volatile maniacs hold over our leader's heads that political debate has been rendered to infuriatingly cautious word gymnastics and over-rehearsed slogan exchange. As a result, mainstream media coverage has little left to work with other than cheap word-slip "gotcha" journalism.

As voters, we have written a new hyper-paranoid political playbook which makes it almost impossible to ever see another nation-building development like the Snowy Hydro scheme. Planning 10 years ahead is a relatively pointless exercise when the electoral body only extends your contract one month at a time.

It seems impossible that we will ever see a Melbourne to Brisbane fast train, or a second Sydney airport, or a world class national broadband system, and perhaps most depressing of all, a genuine solution to Indigenous disadvantage. But it's not through lack of appetite from our political leaders in most cases, it's through our crippling inability as voters to tolerate more than a moment's pain for tomorrow's gain.

And here's the kicker. Despite our snowballing appetite to constantly churn through leaders and Governments in our quest for "change", there really isn't that much difference between the two ruling parties. They try their hardest to convince us there is, but essentially neither can stray too far from the centre without getting wounded. Do you think this is the first government to ever make cuts to health, or the ABC, or higher education? Do you think there is a side of politics that hasn't tried to reform Medicare, or abolish old taxes and introduce new ones, or process asylum seekers offshore?

There should always be room to change your views on a government's direction, and exercise your choice at the election box every few years. But what we've been doing lately is calling our leaders outside for a fight every 10 minutes, with all the sophistication of a drunken pub thug.

Don't mistake the situation as a sign of a vibrant, lively democracy in action. No, we are sabotaging the integrity of our political system and accelerating a destructive paralysis of our national potential.

Professor Scott Bowman is the vice-chancellor and president of Central Queensland University.


-PB

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rusty wrote:
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There's been some pearlers today but this one was my favourite.
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The problem is Libs need around three terms to fix the debt and budget.

9 years seems like enough time to wait out a global downturn and take advantage of the recovery :lol:


Yeah because that economic recovery that will magically solve everything is just round the corner.

Economic recovery = more revenue = debt paid off. Decent chance that will happen in the next 9 years. The budgets from both the former and current governments forecast an increase in revenue in the coming years to help reduce the deficits.


That's on the assumption wage growth remains constant and there are no income tax cuts. If there are no tax cuts bracket creep will push low wages into the third highest tax bracket and average wages into the second tier. How do you think that will go down with a public who frequently complains about the rising cost of living? So in effect you would be asking people to sacrifice their standard of living in order to pay off Labors debt, and even worse is the regressive nature of it which would impact the poor and low wage earners the most, who would be remitting 37c in every dollar to the government and push many over the edge and into poverty.

There' also a decent chance the economy will suffer another downturn in the next nine years. If so we wouldn't have as much scope to adopt stimulus measures such as last time when our debt was net negative. We all saw the impact the GFC had on most of the OECD and yet how we were the only country with no debt and incidentally only one of two to avoid recession. Sadly not all governments had the luxury of sending out $900 cheques to everyone.

Didn't realize income tax was the only revenue the government receives.

Also you attack the previous government for spending then you acknowledge that the stimulus measures worked.

Waste of time if you can't be consistent.

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That's like saying if stimulus is good, and stimulus requires debt, then all debt is good. The stimulus measures were around $50 billion, peak debt is expected to reach about $660 billion, and that's assuming there are no tax cuts. The problem isn't the stimulus spending the problem is the structural deficit between the cost of providing services to the public and the lack of receipts to cover the costs.
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http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/02/03/remember-labors-skyrocketing-debt-the-coalitions-is-much-worse/

Rustys mates.
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