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paladisious wrote:It's happening. Scott Galloway for the Socceroos?
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paladisious wrote:They're finished regardless of the outcome of the spill now. Were Labor finished when Gillard knifed Rudd?
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rusty wrote:paladisious wrote:They're finished regardless of the outcome of the spill now. Were Labor finished when Gillard knifed Rudd? Nah, but they were trying to implement policies that make sure the actual planet won't be fucked in 100 years. A little leeway, I suppose?
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notorganic wrote:paladisious wrote:It's happening. Rusty still has the whole weekend to remain in denial. I wasn't in denial just awaiting more substantive information than a twitter comment
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Draupnir wrote:rusty wrote:paladisious wrote:They're finished regardless of the outcome of the spill now. Were Labor finished when Gillard knifed Rudd? Nah, but they were trying to implement policies that make sure the actual planet won't be fucked in 100 years. A little leeway, I suppose? Well it's nice that they were able to reduce global emissions by 0.00000008% and save the world. #heroes
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pv4
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I have officially decided I've given up caring about politics now, hey. Both parties are as bad as each other IMO.
I'll vote PUP solely for the #bantz from now on - which form of transport Clive arrives to parliament in is more important to me than watching Labour or Liberal change leaders all the time and just in general run the country into the ground.
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rusty wrote:paladisious wrote:They're finished regardless of the outcome of the spill now. Were Labor finished when Gillard knifed Rudd? Pretty much. The people should have the PM they voted for, and they don't like it when they have the decision made for them. Edited by paladisious: 6/2/2015 03:07:14 PM
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pv4 wrote:paladisious wrote:It's happening. Scott Galloway for the Socceroos? If that was the case I'd say it's cappening.
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rusty
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paladisious wrote:rusty wrote:paladisious wrote:They're finished regardless of the outcome of the spill now. Were Labor finished when Gillard knifed Rudd? Pretty much. The people should have the PM they voted for, and they don't like it when they have the decision made for them. Edited by paladisious: 6/2/2015 03:07:14 PM But Gillard got voted back in (with help from the communists)
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rusty wrote:paladisious wrote:rusty wrote:paladisious wrote:They're finished regardless of the outcome of the spill now. Were Labor finished when Gillard knifed Rudd? Pretty much. The people should have the PM they voted for, and they don't like it when they have the decision made for them. Edited by paladisious: 6/2/2015 03:07:14 PM But Gillard got voted back in (with help from the communists) Bill Shorten, for all his faults and lack of leadership is no-where near as scary a prospect as Tony Abbott has always been. The fact that Gillard won that election after ousting a popular leader says a whole lot about just how unelectable Abbott has always been. The ALP lost the last election with their idiocy, lack of judgement and instability. It wasn't the 3 word slogan that got the LNP over the line.
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http://junkee.com/tony-abbott-wearing-speed-dealer-sunnies-is-proof-australian-politics-is-just-beyond-ridiculous-now/50582:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:     [youtube]yNr6Yi_D4HE[/youtube] -PB
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notorganic wrote:Bill Shorten, for all his faults and lack of leadership is no-where near as scary a prospect as Tony Abbott has always been.
The fact that Gillard won that election after ousting a popular leader says a whole lot about just how unelectable Abbott has always been.
The ALP lost the last election with their idiocy, lack of judgement and instability. It wasn't the 3 word slogan that got the LNP over the line. Ruddy wasn't THAT popular his approval rating was crashing when Gillard took over. Gillard also had the novelty factor of being the first elected woman prime minister in her favour. The NBN was also decisive in that election where LNP offered no alternative policy and the refugee genocide hadn't quite kicked off yet. So it wasn't so much that everyone hated TA as much as it was people hadn't quite caught on yet to how destructive Labor governments could be.
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Rusty is the delusional retcon gift that keeps on giving.
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paulbagzFC wrote:http://junkee.com/tony-abbott-wearing-speed-dealer-sunnies-is-proof-australian-politics-is-just-beyond-ridiculous-now/50582 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:     [youtube]yNr6Yi_D4HE[/youtube] -PB
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notorganic wrote:Rusty is the delusional retcon gift that keeps on giving. It's been great. Seriously though, you vote a party in to power who cares who the leader is. If people genuinely thought the Coalition's policies were better then they should be given a chance. If the party thinks the leader is not performing let them change and deliver what they promised. The thing is they won't deliver, the scant policies they did have are not popular with their back benchers and more importantly their donors. The ones they sprung as a surprise (broken promise) are lacking evidence to support them so are clearly ideologically driven.
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mcjules wrote:notorganic wrote:Rusty is the delusional retcon gift that keeps on giving. It's been great. Seriously though, you vote a party in to power who cares who the leader is. If people genuinely thought the Coalition's policies were better then they should be given a chance. If the party thinks the leader is not performing let them change and deliver what they promised. The thing is they won't deliver, the scant policies they did have are not popular with their back benchers and more importantly their donors. The ones they sprung as a surprise (broken promise) are lacking evidence to support them so are clearly ideologically driven. Was the co payment ideologically driven Labor tried to introduce in the 90s? How about the carbon tax and mining tax, were they not ideological driven taxes where as the copayment and deficit levy ideologically driven taxes? How about PPL, was Labors version of the PPL not ideologically driven whereas Abbotts PPL, the model which 90% of the OECD follows, ideologically driven? How about HECS, was the idea of Labor making students pay for their education not an ideologically drive choice, whereas LNPs policy to make students perhaps pay a more for their education (which all the universities support) ideologically driven? Do you think it's possible you're just ideologically driven to oppose everything the LNP does? That every time the LNP announces or does something your knee jerk reaction is to scoff and oppose it, declaring it to be unworthy or wrong before ever knowing anything about it? Or is just Liberals who are ideologically driven and under the spell of their parental influence, while the left are free of all that and are able to exercise their beliefs detached from bias, and above all, parental influence?
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rusty wrote:mcjules wrote:notorganic wrote:Rusty is the delusional retcon gift that keeps on giving. It's been great. Seriously though, you vote a party in to power who cares who the leader is. If people genuinely thought the Coalition's policies were better then they should be given a chance. If the party thinks the leader is not performing let them change and deliver what they promised. The thing is they won't deliver, the scant policies they did have are not popular with their back benchers and more importantly their donors. The ones they sprung as a surprise (broken promise) are lacking evidence to support them so are clearly ideologically driven. Was the co payment ideologically driven Labor tried to introduce in the 90s? How about the carbon tax and mining tax, were they not ideological driven taxes where as the copayment and deficit levy ideologically driven taxes? How about PPL, was Labors version of the PPL not ideologically driven whereas Abbotts PPL, the model which 90% of the OECD follows, ideologically driven? How about HECS, was the idea of Labor making students pay for their education not an ideologically drive choice, whereas LNPs policy to make students perhaps pay a more for their education (which all the universities support) ideologically driven? Do you think it's possible you're just ideologically driven to oppose everything the LNP does? That every time the LNP announces or does something your knee jerk reaction is to scoff and oppose it, declaring it to be unworthy or wrong before ever knowing anything about it? Or is just Liberals who are ideologically driven and under the spell of their parental influence, while the left are free of all that and are able to exercise their beliefs detached from bias, and above all, parental influence? Firstly ease up on the parental influence crap, it was specifically targeted at slygoat who spouts a whole lot of crap about dole bludgers but is not old enough to know about life's pressures and the social benefit having a safety net can bring. Now for the rest: Was the co payment ideologically driven Labor tried to introduce in the 90s? Yes and it was resoundingly rejected. Good to know we've been able to survive almost a quarter of a century without the whole system collapsing. How about the carbon tax and mining tax, were they not ideological driven taxes where as the copayment and deficit levy ideologically driven taxes? There's evidence that an emissions trading scheme is the most efficient way to bring carbon emissions down. Something like the Mining tax has allowed Norway to prosper. Already covered copayment, deficit levy was passed for good reason. How about PPL, was Labors version of the PPL not ideologically driven whereas Abbotts PPL, the model which 90% of the OECD follows, ideologically driven? There's evidence to support the PPL scheme. Abbott's wasn't ideologically driven, rather a desperate attempt to try and be relevant with female voters. How about HECS, was the idea of Labor making students pay for their education not an ideologically drive choice, whereas LNPs policy to make students perhaps pay a more for their education (which all the universities support) ideologically driven? Yes it is. Here's how well researched the co-payment policy was Quote:The department did not say if it was asked to conduct research by the federal government before it announced the co-payment policy in the 2014 federal budget. Instead, the department undertook an extensive review of international research. But Stuart admits that data is old and not necessarily applicable. “The international material and research is very equivocal and not directly related to the current Australian situation,” Stuart said. “You say you rely on international evidence and research, and when I ask if you’ve done any of your own you say no, and then I ask what is the international evidence, you say it’s equivocal, and you have to take into account the specific circumstances in Australia. Who has been looking at the specific circumstances in Australia?” Cameron asked. http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/feb/06/health-department-admits-lack-of-in-depth-analysis-of-medicare-co-payment I can find you similar ones on the data retention policy and of course the NBN "cost benefit analysis" farce has been well and truly covered. Edited by mcjules: 6/2/2015 07:39:21 PM
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Hope someone goes to the effort to find some what will now be lol worthy quotes by lib supporters here when labor was having these leadership issues. No doubt now defendable now it's the libs in turmoil
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Good idea 99. batfink wrote:perhaps it's not only the policies but rather the policy outcomes that annoy the population,the mismanagement,the waste, the lack of accountability, the lies, i think most Australians are sick of the twisting,conniving conceited attitude of this government, truthfully how can the leader of this country continue to blame the opposition for the governments mistakes??
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I got about 5 pages in before I got sick of reading f1 and batfink call me a Labor stooge over and over.
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batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:batfink wrote:the fact that she is letting this run on for so long proves she hasn't got the balls to bring it to a head and deal with it...!!!!
see what i did there?!??!??!? LOL.... Made a crude remark based on her gender rather than her actual ability? Yes, we see what you did there. was a pun matt...DER... ability???? what ability??? the ability to lie and bully people and get away with it....PLEASE get a life....she has no steel or guts, she is a spineless good for nothing politician devoid of morals or concious....... So... you're holding her to a higher standard than you do other politicians why? nope same standard applies to all, except she and her government fail,she just needs to concentrate on fixing the day to day issues & problems of Australia. She spends way to much time trying to make a name for herself with unrealistic reforms in unrealistic time frames for minority groups, against the broader communities wishes..... can't she & this government just do the basics well, sort of like a home owner who has just purchased a new home, the home needs the leaking roof repaired and a new hot water system,and then it's livable and suits their needs, but they go ahead with a extension on the front cause it looks good and will impress the neighbours, and put thenselves into a crap load of debt in doing so......the beatles were one of the greatest bands in the world because they played simple music really well, instead of playing difficult music poorly........ Gillard is a poor leader,is out of touch with Australia,fails to act before being pushed into a decision, is a knee jerking flip flopping on again off again leader who is being run by the factions and the unions, the unions have her over a barrell... and because i can't stand her or this government, don't jump to the conclusion that i am an Abbott fan,that is simple not true Weird how quiet that batfink went when Abbott quickly took over from Gillard as the objectively worst Prime Minister this government has ever had, despite his proclamation that he's by no means an Abbott fan. Edited by Notorganic: 6/2/2015 08:09:11 PM
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notorganic wrote:Weird how quiet that batfink went when Abbott quickly took over from Gillard as the objectively worst Prime Minister this government has ever had, despite his proclamation that he's by no means an Abbott fan. Some go quiet, others lash out and put up deflection walls 1000 metres high. Don't know why it's so hard to be objective about these things and be critical when it's obviously warranted. :roll:
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The most empty threat I've ever heard :lol:
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 Brilliant :)
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Edited by Notorganic: 6/2/2015 10:06:16 PM
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mcjules wrote:The most empty threat I've ever heard :lol: Indeed it may be, but the Nationals can hardly complain, they hitched their wagon to the Libs now they can deal with it. -PB
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notorganic wrote: Edited by Notorganic: 6/2/2015 10:06:16 PM You post on r/australia?
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