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batfink wrote:could be worse could be like Wayne Swan....LOL...](*,) ](*,) ](*,) :lol: indeed
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mcjules wrote:RedKat wrote:batfink wrote:RedKat wrote:batfink wrote:mcjules wrote:batfink wrote:mcjules wrote:rusty wrote:[quote=Draupnir]The only chance in hell the Liberal Party have of winning the next election is to distance themselves from this absolute joke of a human being as soon as possible. Don't get me wrong, I've put it out there before and I will put it out there again - In my eyes, the LNP are the scum of the Earth, but jesus fucking Christ, as much as Howard was an embarrassment with bowling a cricket ball, at least he was no where near the level of Tony.
I don't think there is any doubt that Abbott will go down as the worst PM we have ever had, and I try to say that as neutrally as possible. There have been some shoddy PMs in the past, and whether you agree or disagree with their principles is not the point... The bloke it just an utter fucking embarrassment..
I'm not even going to comment on the likes of Pyne, Hockey, Dutton, Morrison, Bishop.. Fuck me dead, how people that actually believe the shit they do are still relevant in 2015 is beyond me. Your political bias is really shining through here. There are some fine ministers among that lot, the problem is, from your perspective, is they are Liberals. Pyne, Hockey, Morrison and Bishop are all outstanding ministers. Of course you will disagree with me, not because they aren't capable in their positions, but rather because they have a different ideological perspective from yourself, so youre automatically inclined to belittle them in order to beef up your own sense of intellectual worth. I could do the same with shadow Labor minsiters "durrr Shorten's a farkhead durrr Plibersek is a tard durrr", but I'm above that. :) Taking ideology out of it, the fact you think Pyne and Hockey in particular are "outstanding ministers" means that your opinion loses any credibility. that's only your opinion, doesn't mean much...you thought Rudd and Gillard were fantastic](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) At the job of the running the country they were perfectly capable. A lot of good legislation was passed by the minister's in their governments. The fact that the aforementioned ministers have proposed poor legislation and have therefore failed to get it through parliament is an indictment on their ministerial credentials. You can focus on "party disunity" and media scuttlebutt as much as you like (interesting that you were happy to dismiss it for Dutton...impartial eh?) but their parliamentary record is there for anybody to see. oh yeah, the previous government were "PERFECTLY CAPABLE" FFS are you brain dead....absolutely laughable, one of THE most incompetent government in Australia's history, your bias shows no bounds.....](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) Id like to hear how your posts are purely ideologically neutral by other posters posts are riddled with supposed left wing bias? Is it not possible your posts are as bias or even more bias than there's? are you saying that Jules is not a leftie??? Are you saying you aren't right wing? I think the point I was making in my post was abundantly clear. I don't try and hide my political bias so I don't get his point. I did try very hard to not talk about any particular policies just the fact they failed to work effectively to get the legislation they wanted to past. I reject that these senators are anti-government and in any way "lefties" as they've allowed some policies like metadata retention and axing the carbon and mining taxes which I find extremely distasteful. Anyway, Draups posted something completely reasonable and the typical responses came (e.g. but "Gillard and Rudd"...). Was just what I needed on a dross Monday morning at work :lol:[/ no your not biased , not at all.... when the greens and ALP block the senate it's justified, but when the LNP and independants block the senate it's sabotage..... made my day, you and you parties hypocrisy is beyond belief
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I love a good illogical rant :lol:
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The problem with politics is that the two major factions just sit there and sling mud at each other. It's as if they don't care how evil they look as long as the other side looks worse. That's why I respect Di Natale the Greens leader for his interview with Mr. Right Wing on the Bolt Report. Not once did he stick the boot into someone else. He talked about his policies and why they were his policies. That's how it should be. If the Greens were more open-minded about development and mining I'd be inclined to vote for them. However, it's a shame they're so one dimensional when it comes to exploration and gas.
I'd also like to see better policy on how they will get funding for their proposals. It has been a thorn for the Greens, good policy with little backbone.
However the other two parties seem to sit there and slag each other off. Their policy is simply that they're not going to do what the other side it proposing. These idiots need to step off their high horses and call good policy what it is..... (not that we've seen much of it in the last decade).
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benelsmore wrote:The problem with politics is that the two major factions just sit there and sling mud at each other. It's as if they don't care how evil they look as long as the other side looks worse. That's why I respect Di Natale the Greens leader for his interview with Mr. Right Wing on the Bolt Report. Not once did he stick the boot into someone else. He talked about his policies and why they were his policies. That's how it should be. If the Greens were more open-minded about development and mining I'd be inclined to vote for them. However, it's a shame they're so one dimensional when it comes to exploration and gas.
I'd also like to see better policy on how they will get funding for their proposals. It has been a thorn for the Greens, good policy with little backbone.
However the other two parties seem to sit there and slag each other off. Their policy is simply that they're not going to do what the other side it proposing. These idiots need to step off their high horses and call good policy what it is..... (not that we've seen much of it in the last decade). I agree, the trouble is people see it as a two party system and if it's not one it's the other. You can see this phenomenon in batty's last few posts. I personally won't be voting for either Labor or Liberal in the next election (well on preferences I have to eventually but you get the point) because there are other parties that more closely align to my values.
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mcjules wrote:benelsmore wrote:The problem with politics is that the two major factions just sit there and sling mud at each other. It's as if they don't care how evil they look as long as the other side looks worse. That's why I respect Di Natale the Greens leader for his interview with Mr. Right Wing on the Bolt Report. Not once did he stick the boot into someone else. He talked about his policies and why they were his policies. That's how it should be. If the Greens were more open-minded about development and mining I'd be inclined to vote for them. However, it's a shame they're so one dimensional when it comes to exploration and gas.
I'd also like to see better policy on how they will get funding for their proposals. It has been a thorn for the Greens, good policy with little backbone.
However the other two parties seem to sit there and slag each other off. Their policy is simply that they're not going to do what the other side it proposing. These idiots need to step off their high horses and call good policy what it is..... (not that we've seen much of it in the last decade). I agree, the trouble is people see it as a two party system and if it's not one it's the other. You can see this phenomenon in batty's last few posts. I personally won't be voting for either Labor or Liberal in the next election (well on preferences I have to eventually but you get the point) because there are other parties that more closely align to my values. Like the socialist alliance?
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rusty wrote:mcjules wrote:benelsmore wrote:The problem with politics is that the two major factions just sit there and sling mud at each other. It's as if they don't care how evil they look as long as the other side looks worse. That's why I respect Di Natale the Greens leader for his interview with Mr. Right Wing on the Bolt Report. Not once did he stick the boot into someone else. He talked about his policies and why they were his policies. That's how it should be. If the Greens were more open-minded about development and mining I'd be inclined to vote for them. However, it's a shame they're so one dimensional when it comes to exploration and gas.
I'd also like to see better policy on how they will get funding for their proposals. It has been a thorn for the Greens, good policy with little backbone.
However the other two parties seem to sit there and slag each other off. Their policy is simply that they're not going to do what the other side it proposing. These idiots need to step off their high horses and call good policy what it is..... (not that we've seen much of it in the last decade). I agree, the trouble is people see it as a two party system and if it's not one it's the other. You can see this phenomenon in batty's last few posts. I personally won't be voting for either Labor or Liberal in the next election (well on preferences I have to eventually but you get the point) because there are other parties that more closely align to my values. Like the socialist alliance? I'd love to say yes :lol:
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mcjules wrote:rusty wrote:mcjules wrote:benelsmore wrote:The problem with politics is that the two major factions just sit there and sling mud at each other. It's as if they don't care how evil they look as long as the other side looks worse. That's why I respect Di Natale the Greens leader for his interview with Mr. Right Wing on the Bolt Report. Not once did he stick the boot into someone else. He talked about his policies and why they were his policies. That's how it should be. If the Greens were more open-minded about development and mining I'd be inclined to vote for them. However, it's a shame they're so one dimensional when it comes to exploration and gas.
I'd also like to see better policy on how they will get funding for their proposals. It has been a thorn for the Greens, good policy with little backbone.
However the other two parties seem to sit there and slag each other off. Their policy is simply that they're not going to do what the other side it proposing. These idiots need to step off their high horses and call good policy what it is..... (not that we've seen much of it in the last decade). I agree, the trouble is people see it as a two party system and if it's not one it's the other. You can see this phenomenon in batty's last few posts. I personally won't be voting for either Labor or Liberal in the next election (well on preferences I have to eventually but you get the point) because there are other parties that more closely align to my values. Like the socialist alliance? I'd love to say yes :lol: I love a ignorant rant
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Lol Bishop and Turnbull gone. Tone must be on a thread. -PB
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Isn't that Turnbull fella the same guy who butchered the NBN? If he can do what he did to the NBN imagine what he will do the country.
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BETHFC
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mcjules wrote:benelsmore wrote:The problem with politics is that the two major factions just sit there and sling mud at each other. It's as if they don't care how evil they look as long as the other side looks worse. That's why I respect Di Natale the Greens leader for his interview with Mr. Right Wing on the Bolt Report. Not once did he stick the boot into someone else. He talked about his policies and why they were his policies. That's how it should be. If the Greens were more open-minded about development and mining I'd be inclined to vote for them. However, it's a shame they're so one dimensional when it comes to exploration and gas.
I'd also like to see better policy on how they will get funding for their proposals. It has been a thorn for the Greens, good policy with little backbone.
However the other two parties seem to sit there and slag each other off. Their policy is simply that they're not going to do what the other side it proposing. These idiots need to step off their high horses and call good policy what it is..... (not that we've seen much of it in the last decade). I agree, the trouble is people see it as a two party system and if it's not one it's the other. You can see this phenomenon in batty's last few posts. I personally won't be voting for either Labor or Liberal in the next election (well on preferences I have to eventually but you get the point) because there are other parties that more closely align to my values. For that reason I typically donkey vote and mess up my ballot paper. I can't stand votes being siphoned into one of the big two. There's little point having minor players if their votes count for the big two in the end.
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rusty wrote:Isn't that Turnbull fella the same guy who butchered the NBN? If he can do what he did to the NBN imagine what he will do the country. Sobering thought for those that think this will be a good move :lol:
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batfink wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:mcjules wrote:rusty wrote:Draupnir wrote:The only chance in hell the Liberal Party have of winning the next election is to distance themselves from this absolute joke of a human being as soon as possible. Don't get me wrong, I've put it out there before and I will put it out there again - In my eyes, the LNP are the scum of the Earth, but jesus fucking Christ, as much as Howard was an embarrassment with bowling a cricket ball, at least he was no where near the level of Tony.
I don't think there is any doubt that Abbott will go down as the worst PM we have ever had, and I try to say that as neutrally as possible. There have been some shoddy PMs in the past, and whether you agree or disagree with their principles is not the point... The bloke it just an utter fucking embarrassment..
I'm not even going to comment on the likes of Pyne, Hockey, Dutton, Morrison, Bishop.. Fuck me dead, how people that actually believe the shit they do are still relevant in 2015 is beyond me. Your political bias is really shining through here. There are some fine ministers among that lot, the problem is, from your perspective, is they are Liberals. Pyne, Hockey, Morrison and Bishop are all outstanding ministers. Of course you will disagree with me, not because they aren't capable in their positions, but rather because they have a different ideological perspective from yourself, so youre automatically inclined to belittle them in order to beef up your own sense of intellectual worth. I could do the same with shadow Labor minsiters "durrr Shorten's a farkhead durrr Plibersek is a tard durrr", but I'm above that. :) Taking ideology out of it, the fact you think Pyne and Hockey in particular are "outstanding ministers" means that your opinion loses any credibility. This lol. How you can have a minister for education that has never stepped foot in a classroom is beyond me. -PB so you are saying he never went to school and is totally uneducated??? No, I'm saying he knows nothing about the Education sector because he's never worked in it. -PB
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mcjules wrote:rusty wrote:Isn't that Turnbull fella the same guy who butchered the NBN? If he can do what he did to the NBN imagine what he will do the country. Sobering thought for those that think this will be a good move :lol: Most people who think this will be a good move aren't Liberal voters. Turnbull is a sly dog and it's apparent to most conservatives he is simply pursuing self interest not the national interest. I could possibly tolerate him were he to be democratically elected but he is gonna do whatever it takes to be PM, even if it means dragging the coalition and its values through the mud. If he does the not unless there is a massive turnaround in the state economy, I will be joining mcjules in casting my vote for the socialist alliance.
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paulbagzFC wrote:No, I'm saying he knows nothing about the Education sector because he's never worked in it.
-PB Oh , so ministers must have expertise in their respective portfolios in order to be considered credible? I guess that means only CEO's shall be annointed PM, and only economists are fit to run as treasurer, ex soldiers for defence, etc etc?
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rusty wrote:mcjules wrote:rusty wrote:Isn't that Turnbull fella the same guy who butchered the NBN? If he can do what he did to the NBN imagine what he will do the country. Sobering thought for those that think this will be a good move :lol: Most people who think this will be a good move aren't Liberal voters. Turnbull is a sly dog and it's apparent to most conservatives he is simply pursuing self interest not the national interest. I could possibly tolerate him were he to be democratically elected but he is gonna do whatever it takes to be PM, even if it means dragging the coalition and its values through the mud. If he does the not unless there is a massive turnaround in the state economy, I will be joining mcjules in casting my vote for the socialist alliance. This is just the type of thing I wanted to hear =d> Will batty join you?????? ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) etc
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rusty wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:No, I'm saying he knows nothing about the Education sector because he's never worked in it.
-PB Oh , so ministers must have expertise in their respective portfolios in order to be considered credible? I guess that means only CEO's shall be annointed PM, and only economists are fit to run as treasurer, ex soldiers for defence, etc etc? Well yes? Would you trust someone who isn't an economist to be in charge of an economics firm? Likewise a law firm or an accountant? Someone who hasn't been a teacher to be the head of a department or Principal? -PB
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paulbagzFC wrote:batfink wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:mcjules wrote:rusty wrote:Draupnir wrote:The only chance in hell the Liberal Party have of winning the next election is to distance themselves from this absolute joke of a human being as soon as possible. Don't get me wrong, I've put it out there before and I will put it out there again - In my eyes, the LNP are the scum of the Earth, but jesus fucking Christ, as much as Howard was an embarrassment with bowling a cricket ball, at least he was no where near the level of Tony.
I don't think there is any doubt that Abbott will go down as the worst PM we have ever had, and I try to say that as neutrally as possible. There have been some shoddy PMs in the past, and whether you agree or disagree with their principles is not the point... The bloke it just an utter fucking embarrassment..
I'm not even going to comment on the likes of Pyne, Hockey, Dutton, Morrison, Bishop.. Fuck me dead, how people that actually believe the shit they do are still relevant in 2015 is beyond me. Your political bias is really shining through here. There are some fine ministers among that lot, the problem is, from your perspective, is they are Liberals. Pyne, Hockey, Morrison and Bishop are all outstanding ministers. Of course you will disagree with me, not because they aren't capable in their positions, but rather because they have a different ideological perspective from yourself, so youre automatically inclined to belittle them in order to beef up your own sense of intellectual worth. I could do the same with shadow Labor minsiters "durrr Shorten's a farkhead durrr Plibersek is a tard durrr", but I'm above that. :) Taking ideology out of it, the fact you think Pyne and Hockey in particular are "outstanding ministers" means that your opinion loses any credibility. This lol. How you can have a minister for education that has never stepped foot in a classroom is beyond me. -PB so you are saying he never went to school and is totally uneducated??? No, I'm saying he knows nothing about the Education sector because he's never worked in it. -PB Like Wayne Swan eh
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mcjules wrote:rusty wrote:mcjules wrote:rusty wrote:Isn't that Turnbull fella the same guy who butchered the NBN? If he can do what he did to the NBN imagine what he will do the country. Sobering thought for those that think this will be a good move :lol: Most people who think this will be a good move aren't Liberal voters. Turnbull is a sly dog and it's apparent to most conservatives he is simply pursuing self interest not the national interest. I could possibly tolerate him were he to be democratically elected but he is gonna do whatever it takes to be PM, even if it means dragging the coalition and its values through the mud. If he does the not unless there is a massive turnaround in the state economy, I will be joining mcjules in casting my vote for the socialist alliance. This is just the type of thing I wanted to hear =d> Will batty join you?????? ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) etc Join us batty join. You get heaps of free stuff and shit. 
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Treasurer of the year mate 
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Turnbull and Julie Bishop wrote:I'm out. What a joke of a leadership.
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Kennett :lol:
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if the coalition must be in government then Turnbull is the best option
he has a good record on progressive issues, supporting gay marriage and accepting the science of climate change
he appears to be a sincere on social issues.
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trident wrote:if the coalition must be in government then Turnbull is the best option
he has a good record on progressive issues, supporting gay marriage and accepting the science of climate change
he appears to be a sincere on social issues. Yeah, I see that.
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Turnbull comes across as an intelligent, conservative politician who doesn't have sociopathic tendencies He's also not a pommy but he's a tory, no-one's perfect I guess
He was a man of specific quirks. He believed that all meals should be earned through physical effort. He also contended, zealously like a drunk with a political point, that the third dimension would not be possible if it werent for the existence of water.
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I for one welcome our new Turnbull overlord.
Sure this won't change the majority of LNP policy at least until the election, but it will be refreshing to have someone who doesn't make a complete tit of themselves every time the open their mouth.
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PerthRed wrote:I for one welcome our new Turnbull overlord.
Sure this won't change the majority of LNP policy at least until the election, but it will be refreshing to have someone who doesn't make a complete tit of themselves every time the open their mouth.  -PB
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:  -PB
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they can change pm all they want, the governor general and the queen is still australia's head of state Which is something which doesnt sit well, but what are you going to do? 
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