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sydneycroatia58 wrote:
Can someone please tell me what the big deal is about Ed Husic holding a Quran while being sworn in?


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Can someone please tell me what the big deal is about Ed Husic holding a Quran while being sworn in?
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thupercoach wrote:
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http://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunrise/video/watch/17805418/abbott-unfazed-by-labor-polling/

Can the forum Tories (thuper, redkat, batfink et al) please watch this the whole way through and please explain how anyone could be deluded enough to suggest that Tony Abbott is anything remotely close to being economically competent?


A successful Health Minister in a highly successful government versus a recycled failed PM in a failed government. Has Kev found his way again?


You didn't watch it, did you.
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Morgan calling ALP in front on 2PP.

Can September still not come soon enough, Thupes?

http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/morgan-poll-july1-2013-201307010635
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notorganic wrote:
http://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunrise/video/watch/17805418/abbott-unfazed-by-labor-polling/

Can the forum Tories (thuper, redkat, batfink et al) please watch this the whole way through and please explain how anyone could be deluded enough to suggest that Tony Abbott is anything remotely close to being economically competent?


A successful Health Minister in a highly successful government versus a recycled failed PM in a failed government. Has Kev found his way again?
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afromanGT wrote:
Should we really be letting what the businesses approve of govern our political policies?


For so long as business employs the vast majority of Australians, they should always have a strong say in how this country is run.
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afromanGT wrote:
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Should we really be letting what the businesses approve of govern our political policies?


No, but they agree is one less bullshit lobby group to spread lies & misleading statistics.

It means it isn't working though if they're happy about it.

What a strange conclusion to make.
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notorganic wrote:
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Should we really be letting what the businesses approve of govern our political policies?


No, but they agree is one less bullshit lobby group to spread lies & misleading statistics.

It means it isn't working though if they're happy about it.
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afromanGT wrote:
Should we really be letting what the businesses approve of govern our political policies?


No, but they agree is one less bullshit lobby group to spread lies & misleading statistics.
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Should we really be letting what the businesses approve of govern our political policies?
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Australian businesses back emissions trading scheme

Last updated on 1 July 2013, 10:37 am
By Nilima Choudhury

Almost 99% of Australian businesses have shown support for the country’s emissions trading scheme, according to a new survey.

The poll, which received 180 responses out of 573 businesses, was carried out by international consultants AECOM over a period of two weeks from 10 May.

The government plans to replace the carbon tax with an emissions trading scheme sooner than planned, believing it will allow new Prime Minster Kevin Rudd to keep Labor’s commitment to a carbon price but distance his new government from ousted Julia Gillard’s broken promise to not impose a carbon tax.

It is estimated that the move could cost the government several billion dollars in lost revenue from the A$23 per tonne of CO2 levy.

Covering all commercial sectors, including engineering, transport, manufacturing and waste, almost 99% of businesses surveyed either strongly agreed (87.7%) or agreed (11%) that Australia should aim to reduce its carbon emissions.

In the final quarter of December 2012 emissions in the country increased by 0.4%, according to statistics from the government’s climate change department.

“With five new schemes introduced so far this year, there is a growing momentum for the introduction of market based schemes as an effective way to mitigate the effects of climate change,” said Jennifer Lauber-Patterson, spokesperson at Businesses for a Clean Economy, which commissioned the survey.

Almost 65% of respondents indicated support for an emissions trading scheme with a floating price, while a carbon tax with a fixed price was supported by 28.8% of all companies. Only 3.3% of businesses did not support any form of price-based carbon policy, while another 3.3% were unsure.

The carbon tax is due to rise by A$1.15 per tonne to A$24.15 today while axing the current fixed price for a market-based floating price could see the cost drop to as little as A$6 a tonne.

The results of the survey showed that earlier fears about the possible impact of the current carbon pricing had not been realised. Lauber-Patterson also said that businesses understood that the world is moving on emissions reductions and that carbon pricing is the best way to reduce emissions.

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Leader of the opposition Tony Abbott has consistently said he would axe the carbon tax if voted into power in September.

Support for the carbon price from 2010 to 2012 fell sharply, until July last year when it came into effect. Since then, public support in Australia has increased for the carbon price.

Although Prime Minister Kevin Rudd is preferable as leader to Abbott, the Labor party is behind in polls and would lose to the Coalition if elections were to be held today. According to The Australian news site, Labor is backed by 35% while the Coalition has 43% of the votes.

“Emission trading schemes are already in place in 34 countries and 12 states including the European Union, Norway, Switzerland, New Zealand and in California, with schemes being established in China and South Korea,” Lauber-Paterson said.

She continued: “The survey results showed that carbon pricing is now being much better received by Australian industry. The message from a good cross section of businesses in the survey seems to be clear: carbon pricing is working, let’s keep it and minimise any further disruption."

- See more at: http://www.rtcc.org/australian-businesses-back-emissions-trading-scheme/?#sthash.7ZFXO40C.dpuf
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Secret softie: the cold truth is Gillard's warmth couldn't be conveyed to voters
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Nicholas Reece
Julia Gillard, PM, was good humoured, warm, smart, dignified and down to earth. So what went wrong?

The cruellest irony of Julia Gillard's political career must surely be the chasm that existed between public perceptions of the first female prime minister and the views of those who worked with her closely.

To those who knew her at a personal level, as I did, she was regarded as warm, good-humoured, dignified, hard-working and courageous.

But as pollsters and shock jocks regularly reminded us, among much of the population she was viewed as a godless, childless, unmarried, lying, backstabbing witch.

To understand this brutal disjuncture, a balanced appraisal is needed of Gillard's ability as a politician and her period as prime minister.

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Gillard is one of the best close-quarters politicians the Federal Parliament has ever seen.

As prime minister, she ran a disciplined, professional office that operated in much the same way as a well-run law firm - a product of her early career at Slater & Gordon.

Cabinet process was strictly upheld and the massive flow of administrative and policy paperwork that moves between government departments, the prime minister's office and the prime minister's desk was dealt with efficiently.

There was courtesy shown to staff, MPs, public servants and stakeholders - every person entitled to a view was given a chance to express it before a decision was made.

Gillard would diligently work her way through the detail of an issue and then patiently execute an agreed plan to tackle it.

She was generous with her time and did not rush people in the way busy leaders often do. She was never rude and never raised her voice, unless for humorous purposes.

She had a quick mind and could master a brief at lightning speed. She was a masterful parliamentary tactician and a brilliant analyst of the day's events and the politics of the Labor caucus. She was a genuinely affectionate person and had a quick wit that could be deployed to lift the spirits of those around her.

At her instigation, birthdays were the subject of office celebration. This would involve Gillard turning up for cake and delivering a very personal speech to even the most junior staff.

Significantly for a national leader, Gillard had no major personality defects. She is probably the most normal, down-to-earth person to have served as prime minister of Australia in the modern era.

In a crisis, she was supremely calm. While others wilted, Gillard had a resilience that allowed her to keep stepping up to the plate.

She was good at remembering people's names, knowing their story, understanding their motivations and being able to see a situation from another's perspective.

These were attributes that were very well suited to the fraught circumstances of the 43rd Parliament.

In the negotiations with the crossbench MPs to form government, Gillard easily outmanoeuvred Tony Abbott. She better understood the independents' motivations - she focused on the detail of how the relationship between government and the crossbenches would work and committed to serving the full term.

The achievements include: the national broadband network, putting a price on carbon, education reform, children's dental care and the national disability insurance scheme.

In federal-state relations, there was the negotiation of health reform with the conservative premiers and in foreign affairs there was a strengthening of relations with our major partners, particularly China and the US.

Against this backdrop, it is not surprising that Gillard was well-liked, even loved, among her staff, the public service and most of her caucus.

So why did public opinion run so strongly against Gillard?

The first problem was the way she became prime minister. The change came as a complete shock to most Australians. At the time, there was no proper explanation of the reasons for this change. When it came, it was too late.

The events of June 2010 also sparked a long-running war against Gillard, prosecuted from inside the Labor caucus. Beginning with the leaks during the 2010 election campaign, it managed to rear up and stymie her.

One consequence of this was the hung parliament. The constant deal-making to pass legislation was a steady drain on her political capital.

Then there was the carbon tax. The government won the policy debate but Abbott won the political debate.

A further problem was the unrelenting storm of issues that arose through a combination of bad luck and what Gillard's enemies described as a lack of judgment.

Finally, there is the issue of Gillard's communication skills: she was highly engaging in close quarters and confident in the Parliament but this did not seem to translate effectively through the electronic media.

The feistiness of her media performances as deputy prime minister was replaced by a formality that seemed strained and did not connect with the audience. As a consequence, controversies were harder to shake off and the government's message was often not being heard.

Gender issues did make Gillard's job harder - there are still sections of the population that struggle to find an appropriate template for relating to female leaders. But gender is also one reason why Gillard will be long remembered.

I got an insight into this once while I was watching Gillard on TV while waiting for a plane.

A family was next to me and the father started talking at the same time as Gillard.

''Shhh,'' said the mother, signalling to their young daughter. ''Sharni is listening to the PM - that could be her one day.''

We were watching a migrant girl from Adelaide who had made it to the top job in Australia - and inspired millions of young girls to think about whether they could do the same.

Nicholas Reece worked in Julia Gillard's office from 2010 to last year. He is a public policy fellow at the Centre for Public Policy at Melbourne University.


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/secret-softie-the-cold-truth-is-gillards-warmth-couldnt-be-conveyed-to-voters-20130630-2p58z.html#ixzz2XmceOIcr
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Cream stepping down, probably for the best of the party. It's an interesting mix in this cabinet of experience and regeneration.


Losing the likes if Swan and Garrett is no loss. But Conroy, Crean, Combet and Gillard is a loss of talent. There's nothing on Rudds bench except for Wong. No talent, and not much in ideas - I mean Albo as treasurer? Lol.


The man who tried to censor the internet and failed miserably. on ya bike CONroy
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Cream stepping down, probably for the best of the party. It's an interesting mix in this cabinet of experience and regeneration.


Losing the likes if Swan and Garrett is no loss. But Conroy, Crean, Combet and Gillard is a loss of talent. There's nothing on Rudds bench except for Wong. No talent, and not much in ideas - I mean Albo as treasurer? Lol.


Bowen is treasurer
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Everyone seems to forget that turning the boats around isn't a viable option for 99.99% of the time. Howard did it only four times.

It also doesn't stop boats. We'll get a real children overboard (not the fake one Howard used to try to win an election), or ships deliberately being scuttled if they try to implement it.

This. You start sending the boats back to Indonesia and they'll start scuttling them so that Australia are obligated by maritime law to rescue them. It's a battle that Australia can't win either way. As a country we're going to have to find a more effective way of managing it.
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Everyone seems to forget that turning the boats around isn't a viable option for 99.99% of the time. Howard did it only four times.

It also doesn't stop boats. We'll get a real children overboard (not the fake one Howard used to try to win an election), or ships deliberately being scuttled if they try to implement it.


The coalition will live and die by this promise, but they must try something the hundreds of drownings so far under Labor is great shame for our country
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Cream stepping down, probably for the best of the party. It's an interesting mix in this cabinet of experience and regeneration.


Losing the likes if Swan and Garrett is no loss. But Conroy, Crean, Combet and Gillard is a loss of talent. There's nothing on Rudds bench except for Wong. No talent, and not much in ideas - I mean Albo as treasurer? Lol.

:oops: :oops: :oops:
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notorganic wrote:
Cream stepping down, probably for the best of the party. It's an interesting mix in this cabinet of experience and regeneration.


Losing the likes if Swan and Garrett is no loss. But Conroy, Crean, Combet and Gillard is a loss of talent. There's nothing on Rudds bench except for Wong. No talent, and not much in ideas - I mean Albo as treasurer? Lol.
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It's pure dog whistle. Temp protection visas are enough of a deterrent.
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Everyone seems to forget that turning the boats around isn't a viable option for 99.99% of the time. Howard did it only four times.

It also doesn't stop boats. We'll get a real children overboard (not the fake one Howard used to try to win an election), or ships deliberately being scuttled if they try to implement it.
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notorganic wrote:


She isn't afraid of hundreds of drownings either. shame
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Cream stepping down, probably for the best of the party. It's an interesting mix in this cabinet of experience and regeneration.
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They fucking sold everything they could get their hands on during the Howard era.

Not quite. But they sold anything that wasn't nailed down.
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What the fuck. Building up Commonwealth assets in their DNA? They fucking sold everything they could get their hands on during the Howard era. It's the only reason they had so much money to splash around. They sold Telstra, which is the reason why we have to now go and spend all this money on the NBN and paying for Telstra's customers, instead of simply having the Government (who would still own it fully) tell Telstra to start building FTTP. :lol:

His 'emissions fund'... so, that's out of general revenue? It's not going to make any money.. so what pays for general revenue by a government? Tax.

Never mind his new big corporate tax which is the maternity leave. I guess that tax doesn't count.

He's a fraud.

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http://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunrise/video/watch/17805418/abbott-unfazed-by-labor-polling/

Can the forum Tories (thuper, redkat, batfink et al) please watch this the whole way through and please explain how anyone could be deluded enough to suggest that Tony Abbott is anything remotely close to being economically competent?
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Abbott: we'll tow the boats back to Indonesia
Indonesia: no you fucking wont
Abbott: what Indonesia say publicly is different to what they say privately.
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RedKat wrote:
Rudd: Abbott's boat policy will cause conflict with Indonesia.
Indonesia: No it wont.
Albanese: Abbot's boat policy will cause conflict with Indonesia despite Indonesia saying it wont

](*,)

No, they said it was an "internal political issue for Australia". Not that it wouldn't cause conflict with Indonesia.
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notorganic wrote:
The forum Tories have gone very quiet...

:lol: thupercoach is crying in a closet somewhere.
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notorganic wrote:
The forum Tories have gone very quiet...


Scared of the Ruddies.

-PB

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