The Australian Politics thread: Prime Minister Anthony Albanese


The Australian Politics thread: Prime Minister Anthony Albanese

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I remember when these polls were published only on slow news days . How times have changed .It seems like our media have taken a leaf out of America's news outlets .
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
I remember when these polls were published only on slow news days . How times have changed .It seems like our media have taken a leaf out of America's news outlets .


If the Polls were in favour of Gillard they wouldn't make the papers at all.
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Yep . Sad our media have taken the muckracking to a new low . Hell it seems to me Andrew bolt , terry mcCrann and Miranda Devine have a crack at her daily.
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notorganic wrote:
That said...






Tony does not look too bad but this has to be the worst Julia Gillard photo I have ever seen
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Well in, No12.
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who cares


Nobody cares that you don't care

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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Yep . Sad our media have taken the muckracking to a new low . Hell it seems to me Andrew bolt , terry mcCrann and Miranda Devine have a crack at her daily.
Well, she keeps giving them ammo...
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Yep . Sad our media have taken the muckracking to a new low . Hell it seems to me Andrew bolt , terry mcCrann and Miranda Devine have a crack at her daily.
Well, she keeps giving them ammo...

To be fair, all you have to do to give Bolt ammo is be liberal and lean the wrong way to fart.
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Julia Gillard remains silent on JWS Research poll showing Labor could lose every marginal seat

From: AAP March 28, 2013 2:50PM 1 COMMENT

JULIA Gillard has refused to comment on a poll of marginal seats that found Labor could lose 24 seats at the next election.

The poll by JWS Research for the Australian Financial Review covered 4070 voters across 54 marginal seats nationwide. It shows that if the election was held now, Labor stood to lose 24 seats.

Asked about the poll result, the PM told reporters in Perth she did not comment on polls.

''Polls come and go quickly...as you know I don't comment on them,'' she said.

Ten seats would fall in NSW, seven in Queensland, three in both Victoria and WA and one in the Northern Territory.

Among the losses in Queensland would be Treasurer Wayne Swan's seat of Lilley and Trade Minister Craig Emerson's seat of Rankin.

NSW casualties would include the seats of Kingsford Smith and Lindsay, held by Labor ministers Peter Garrett and David Bradbury.

Other frontbenchers facing the chop include Western Australians Gary Gray and Stephen Smith in the seats of Brand and Perth.

Labor frontbencher Warren Snowdon's NT seat of Lingiari would also fall.

Voter support has declined further for the ALP since a January poll by JWS, when Labor was on track to lose 18 marginal seats.

David Bradbury, the assistant treasurer, said he didn't want to comment on the polls.

''We're getting on with the job of trying to govern for the country,'' he told Sky News.

He took a swipe at the Coalition's ''glossy booklet'' with its plan for the country.

''No amount of glossy booklets makes up for an absence of clearly articulated costed policies,'' Mr Bradbury said.

Liberal frontbencher Kevin Andrews said people were fed up with the Labor government which was ''at war with itself.''

''Labor is fighting an internal civil war,'' Mr Andrews told Sky News, saying people wanted stability.

He said there were 169 days to go until the election and ''anything could happen''.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/jws-research-poll-shows-labor-could-lose-every-marginal-seat/story-fnho52jj-1226608138763
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''No amount of glossy booklets makes up for an absence of clearly articulated costed policies,'' Mr Bradbury said.


Labor haven't worked it out yet, The Liberal Party aren't going to need any policies to win his one...


To bastardise Bill Hayden's famous quote ""a drover's dog could lead the Liberal Party to victory, the way the country is"


N.B No Bill Hayden's on Labors front bench these days.
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Joffa wrote:

Among the losses in Queensland would be Treasurer Wayne Swan's seat of Lilley and Trade Minister Craig Emerson's seat of Rankin.

NSW casualties would include the seats of Kingsford Smith and Lindsay, held by Labor ministers Peter Garrett and David Bradbury.

aldsun.com.au/news/jws-research-poll-shows-labor-could-lose-every-marginal-seat/story-fnho52jj-1226608138763


Well between Garrett & Emerson the vocal talents of Canberra will diminish.
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Will be interesting to see when she gets dumped-before or after election

Will any of her supporters get re elected besides Plibersek?

Will Gillard quit politics if the party is decimated?
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'Some bloggers and twitter tragics interpret every event as a giant media conspiracy, but journalists do not make up leadership tensions.'

The verdict from the parliamentary press gallery is in: the Prime Minister's government is dysfunctional, with lousy judgment and a fixation with polls. Herald Sun columnist Terry McCrann says Julia Gillard is ''the worst prime minister in our history leading our worst-ever government''. The public, we are informed, is so appalled that it has stopped listening.

Turn that around. What if this was the worst political reporting Australians have endured in history? Dysfunctional, with lousy judgment, fixated with polls, feigning concern about the toxicity of political discourse. And the public? They've stopped listening.

Too harsh? I'm not so sure. In the past few days, we have witnessed rare reflection among a few journalists about the media's role in last week's Labor shemozzle. Not that it was a one-off, just the culmination of more than a year of ''sources say'' stories speculating or predicting (or even advocating) the imminent demise of Gillard. As it turned out, they were wrong.

It is not a simple story. Some bloggers and twitter tragics interpret every event as a giant media conspiracy, but journalists do not make up leadership tensions in my experience and they didn't last week. Unnamed sources are essential for journalists (and the public) to get a sense, as murky as it might be, about what is happening beyond the bland public statements of politicians. And Gillard has made big blunders all on her own that heightened caucus rumblings.

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The more substantial criticism of the media is the same as the substantial criticism of Gillard's government - that it has lost the public's trust. It is a crisis just as existential as that facing the hapless government, if only we'd admit it. Lenore Taylor, one of the more insightful gallery journalists, didn't shirk it in a Fairfax column a few days ago: Parliament and the media, both reliant on public trust for their existence, ''should give long pause for thought about how that trust can be regained … for the media it now has to come down to meeting, and explaining how we are meeting, our responsibilities to be reliable and informative and interesting and fair''.

That is about as likely as Gillard falling on her sword. The PM wants to ''move on'', as though recent events were a ''disappointing'' blip on the road to victory. The media seem equally loath to face their own self-inflicted wounds - how willingly, eagerly even, they were used by unnamed Rudd supporters month after month, not to report significant leadership rumblings, but to inflame them, even to create them. Many reporters did exercise the caution and checking Taylor says is vital to cover messy leadership stories, but the truth is they were drowned out by the weight, placement and sheer volume of stories suggesting a leadership change was just around the corner. It left the public not just confused but cynical.

So let's pause for a moment before we move on. On February 27 last year, Julia Gillard defeated Kevin Rudd in a leadership ballot by a thumping 71 to 31 votes. This is how The Australian reported it that morning: ''Julia Gillard is poised to win today's Labor leadership ballot but faces ongoing political turbulence, with her critics predicting MPs will seek to draft Kevin Rudd to the leadership later this year.''

That was before the ballot was even held.

A couple of months of bad polls and blunders later, Gillard's time was up. News Limited's Niki Savva had already declared that ''sorry Julia, it's over'', and senior journalists, including then Age correspondent Michelle Grattan, were suggesting Gillard should resign (a dramatic step that makes it hard not to be perceived as having a stake in the outcome).

A Canberra Times columnist said of Gillard in May that ''anything she says or does can safely be ignored as irrelevant, because instead of months we can now number her time remaining in The Lodge as a matter of weeks''.

The Herald Sun reported that Gillard ''is facing renewed pressure on her leadership with some Labor MPs wanting her to consider standing down as Prime Minister before the carbon tax begins on July 1. Increased chatter in ALP ranks about their dire election prospects even has some raising the prospect of a leadership change as early as next week.''

Analysis was linked almost entirely to opinion polls. Things looked up for the government towards the end of last year - ''Julia Gillard's poll bounce spells doom for Rudd,'' declared The Australian. Then they went south.

Hundreds of stories were published and broadcast, often with prominence, rarely with scepticism, always quoting ''sources''. But sources lie, run agendas, ingratiate with ''scoops'' and always refuse to be named. At what point, as the ABC's Barrie Cassidy wrote last week, would journalists tell Rudd to ''stop pulling our chains?''

The problem goes deeper than that. News Limited mastheads such as The Australian and the HeraldSun - and some senior journalists in Fairfax - have all but campaigned against Gillard. (After she ''won'' last week, the Herald Sun screamed ''End This Mess'' on its front page, demanding an election now.) How can the public believe the media to be ''reliable and fair'', in Lenore Taylor's words, if large swaths of it are palpably hostile to the Prime Minister, then purport to report the ''news'' that her leadership is under threat?

If Gillard has a credibility problem, so, too, does the media. If Gillard can't ''move forward'' without recognising what's gone wrong with her own performance, neither can those charged with critiquing her government. If politicians and the media let down the public they purport to serve, then the public will reject them. Simple as that.

Gay Alcorn is a former editor of The Sunday Age and regular

columnist for The Age. Twitter: @gay_alcorn.



Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/gillard-is-not-the-only-one-with-a-credibility-problem-20130328-2gxdd.html#ixzz2OqiOpBVc[

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Will be interesting to see when she gets dumped-before or after election

Will any of her supporters get re elected besides Plibersek?

Will Gillard quit politics if the party is decimated?

They're not going to dump her before the election. She's the scapegoat.

She's also too pig-headed to quit politics if they lose a landslide. Especially when her electorate is a safe seat.
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They don't make up leadership tension, they just spend thousands of man hours reporting on it, only to see it completely exposed as total bullshit when the actual so called 'end of gillard' proves to be a damn squib.
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macktheknife wrote:
They don't make up leadership tension, they just spend thousands of man hours reporting on it, only to see it completely exposed as total bullshit when the actual so called 'end of gillard' proves to be a damn squib.


I fail to see how it is "total bullshit" when a key minister from the government called for the spill and several others from the cabinet have now quit.

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They don't make up leadership tension, they just spend thousands of man hours reporting on it, only to see it completely exposed as total bullshit when the actual so called 'end of gillard' proves to be a damn squib.


I fail to see how it is "total bullshit" when a key minister from the government called for the spill and several others from the cabinet have now quit.

Did Crean actually come out in public and call for the spill or was that all behind closed doors?
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They don't make up leadership tension, they just spend thousands of man hours reporting on it, only to see it completely exposed as total bullshit when the actual so called 'end of gillard' proves to be a damn squib.


I fail to see how it is "total bullshit" when a key minister from the government called for the spill and several others from the cabinet have now quit.

Did Crean actually come out in public and call for the spill or was that all behind closed doors?


Aye, he did, silly of him to try and go for deputy PM though, if he hadn't he may still be in the cabinet.

I would really like to see Steven Smith lose his seat at the election, otherwise I think he's going to have a crack at the leadership after the wipeout, and it'd be Rudd all over again.
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afromanGT wrote:
girtXc wrote:
Will be interesting to see when she gets dumped-before or after election

Will any of her supporters get re elected besides Plibersek?

Will Gillard quit politics if the party is decimated?

They're not going to dump her before the election. She's the scapegoat.

She's also too pig-headed to quit politics if they lose a landslide. Especially when her electorate is a safe seat.


Those that will stand to lose their seats will not wait ('cept Swan)

Rudd also wouldn't accept the position unless he has enough time and a united party.That can only happen after decimation

Everyone can smell blood.'Tis why Joyce is pushing for leadership of the NP as the electorate are awake to both the ALP and the Greens this time around
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Crean called for the spill because Noone else would .the divisions in the alp are too big to fix . They need to be united and not forsake for what the alp stand for .
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Crean called for the spill because Noone else would .the divisions in the alp are too big to fix . They need to be united and not forsake for what the alp stand for .


Stupid thing is that by now Gillard would have been campaigning for Labour PM in the upcoming election as Rudd had always said he would hand over the reigns after 2 terms.Party would have been united and she would have been in a far stronger position than she's ever been after the stabbing.

A million free kicks to the coalition.

Reap what you sow
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girtXc wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
Crean called for the spill because Noone else would .the divisions in the alp are too big to fix . They need to be united and not forsake for what the alp stand for .


Stupid thing is that by now Gillard would have been campaigning for Labour PM in the upcoming election as Rudd had always said he would hand over the reigns after 2 terms.Party would have been united and she would have been in a far stronger position than she's ever been after the stabbing.

A million free kicks to the coalition.

Reap what you sow

yep just like state liberal party in victoria and qld the ego's and hatred towards factions towards each other are going to be the end of the party . the alp by dropping their left leaning culture to embrace the centre right stylings of liberal of old are making it hard for me to vote for them . if i wanted a centre right party ill vote liberal .
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I know that people make fun of Queenslanders for being backwards, but this is taking Conservatism into full blown Regressivism.
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Dude fucking Newman is a Class A fuckwit.

Have fun when these c:-#nts are running the country.

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macktheknife wrote:
They don't make up leadership tension, they just spend thousands of man hours reporting on it, only to see it completely exposed as total bullshit when the actual so called 'end of gillard' proves to be a damn squib.
If only they could pass a law to control that dissenting media... oh wait a minute...
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Simply put, Gillard is indestructible


Whenever American voters are asked to name the qualities they most value in their political representatives, having a strong leader comes out as most important.

Americans like to believe their head of state is one tough hombre.

Maybe it is a byproduct of American exceptionalism - being No.1 in the world inevitably brings the insecurity of losing that status.

Strength in leadership is not a preoccupation unique to the great republic, however.

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In democracies and even more so in autocracies, there is this conflation between patriotism and strength, between the claimed national characteristics of a country and the personification of those aspects in the leader.

In Australia, strength has always been more ambiguous.

Leading into the 1996 election, Paul Keating faced a daunting challenge.

A decision was taken to go with his most defining (positive) characteristic and thus Labor's campaign slogan was reduced to one word: ''Leadership.''

Focus group testing conducted after the loss found it was Keating's leadership that had rankled most and that the slogan had merely reminded people of it.

But if Labor strategists are not thinking about strength and toughness right now, they should be.

Forget about the risk of reinforcing a negative, Julia Gillard's toughness may be their last best hope after March rounded out the first disastrous quarter of election year 2013.

Labor's stocks are again at rock bottom with a primary vote of just 30 per cent, a riven unresponsive party and a leader whose popularity has nose-dived from an already low base.

For productive purposes, there are two take-outs from Labor's phantom leadership contest. One is that it has stripped away the government's remaining authority to campaign on its claimed strengths of economic management, education, support for modern working families, and disability insurance. Voters have switched off. These narratives remain valid but the message is being obliterated by the antipathy felt for the messenger.

The second take-out from Labor's Ides of March calamity is marginally more positive. It offers at least a slim chance of redemption - perhaps not of survival, but of partial recovery before September 14.

Simply put, it is that Gillard is indestructible.

The so-called ''knifing of Kevin Rudd'' is the emblem of this sentiment and has been neatly deployed by opponents to frame most everything since.

Gillard is now left with little else if she is to affect an unlikely turnaround. If there is a bright side to the March madness it is that the extreme heat of the leadership crisis has established beyond doubt that Gillard, like the liquid-metal cyborg in the film Terminator 2: Judgment Day, is unstoppable.

Conservatives are positioning in case Labor makes this very adjustment - a switch to explicitly marketing Gillard as Churchillian in her toughness.

These potentially transformative traits were once attached to John Howard, proving that if you cannot make voters like you, you can make some of them respect you.

Coalition barrackers have been slamming Gillard for the damage her personal ambition has supposedly done to the great tradition of Labor.

Some would have you believe they backed the great Labor ''stalwarts'' such as Simon Crean and Martin Ferguson, and that they had voted for the brilliant reforming governments of Hawke and Keating.

Just weeks ago they were furiously reminding voters of Rudd's shortcomings, terrified Labor was about to change the game on them.

For Labor, the task is to find a way of somehow parlaying Gillard's toughness into leadership strength.

Having stuck with her, it has nothing to lose from trying.



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/simply-put-gillard-is-indestructible-20130330-2gzsb.html#ixzz2P7dj5b4g!?$)

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Dude fucking Newman is a Class A fuckwit.

Have fun when these c:-#nts are running the country.

-PB


Only have to wait till September...
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Simply put, Gillard is indestructible

It's hard to fell something which has its head THAT FAR up its own arse.
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Simply put, Gillard is indestructible

It's hard to fell something which has its head THAT FAR up its own arse.


Read the article, and found it, while rather up its own arse, to be largely on the money.

People have stopped listening to Labor, and most can't wait to boot them out. Spinning Julia Gillard as a tough nut with balls of steel and garnering a measure of respect for her that way could just about be their only hope.

Because I have to say that their strategy of Abbott bashing is IMO wearing thin on the electorate which is just seeing more of the same b/s.
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paulbagzFC wrote:
Dude fucking Newman is a Class A fuckwit.

Have fun when these c:-#nts are running the country.

-PB

Queenslanders are stupid, they want a conservative government because they "don't like that Labor bitch" then they complain when they cut everything. What did they expect?

I can see it now, Tony Abbot's cycle of blame will be: Labor, unions, immigrants, benefit scroungers, poor people, disabled people, old people, young people... everyone but the big business donors...

Want to know how I know that? Just look at David Cameron and co. Tax cuts for the millionaires, austerity for the poor. "We're all in it together", the Tories and their donors I mean.

I think a lot is made of our "booming" economy, most of it rubbish. Maybe it's just the Gold Coast struggling as a result of the strong Aussie dollar and failing tourist industry, it certainly feels like a two-speed economy here. Either way, I don't see how cutting everything to create a surplus for a few political brownie points is going to help anyone.

Hello

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