Yep. Since bob Brown stepped down and had the doctor who I forgot the name of and Adam bandt. They gone from left to centre right and most of the time side with the lnp.  They sold their soul 

We've all been there, but chin up Dan, you can do better! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU3dER3YxmU

Tree Tories.

When they killed Rudd's emissions trading scheme in 2010 it should have been plain for all to see. 

I like this policy. Keeps people in check. You're right about the old Dems having that spot in the past but that's Green territory now.

Definitely agree that a two-house parliament provides more checks and balances between the government and the governed and is usually a good thing.

It's fucking laughable that the UK still have their version of it in the 21st century though.

lol. Glady's one was better but still good.

I agree they keep the two major parties in check but sadly the greens tend to side with one side way to much.  If only the dems were still around. Whom I actually voted for when I turned 18 

Breaking News: France canceled a gala in Washington celebrating its U.S. alliance in protest over America’s deal to help Australia deploy nuclear-powered submarines.

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1438570133589532673

lol

I look forward to the Libs pasting their own on the couple of billion compensation they're going to have to pay.

I'm sure the people who were up in arms about Dan Andrews getting out of the East West Link tunnel contract (even though scrapping it was an election promise) will be strangely quiet right about now.

So the legal firm that paid for Christian porter has been discovered 

Indeed. And the libs put it through before election knowing people wouldn’t vote for it. 

Oh theye awfully quiet 

20 years until they're deployed? hmmm

take out a snippet of an article mind you........one of all things with Krudd and good ol Abbout agreeing lol....who'd have thought that would occur.

Sure has stirred the hornets nest.
I commend going nuclear mind you and aligning with the UK/USA - good alliance that stirred up the CCP (sorry for the French ce la vie) and locally the greens and all jumping up and down.
Too funny but good news, like to know the real facts how/when these subs do end up in deployment.

Agree. Devil is in the detail. We might be getting some early and the 20 year date represents something else. 

I'm not entirely sure about how I feel about this deal. It's good that we're modernising our fleet but also bad that we are so reliant and locked in with the US. Would also like to see us de-escalating our tensions with China but at the same time, what do they expect when they're pushing us around with all these trade tariffs.

And the irony of the CCP applying to join the TPP which was set up to counter China's influence and aggression. The CCP are a joke. Old Winnie the Pooh trying to have it both ways.

  

Nailed it: https://www.9news.com.au/world/peter-dutton-awkward-elbow-bump-south-korea-talks-caught-on-camera/d2db05af-4fb4-466b-aa68-eef85d4ae291

China has tripled the size of it's navy in less than two decades. De-escalation is not possible unless we essentially agree to becoming a vassal state.

https://youtu.be/a_Y4QQ8Hm3k

If anyone has a spare 1.5 hours this is a very detailed overview of the whole future submarine project, from an outside party (ex US Nuclear submariner) and he talks in detail about how France fucked us over and how they hired ex politicians/RAN personalities to use against us at the negotiation table.

Nice find. The indignation from the French seems to be a bit excessive. 

Imagine doing a 90 billion dollar deal with someone and they didn't even bother to learn your name 

Anyone here been in a submarine? besides them holiday ones you get off the islands in fiji or disneyland btw

well thats the thing eh, whos to know what I got from someone else is all fact but its all fishy in the big picture.
If even a 3rd is true like I said earlier, I was all for the new alliance with the UK and USA.
They will at least be behind us if needed compared to the French.

tsf, Nah mate never been in a active sub and TBH I never will, I couldn't bare the thought being under there in those small confindes.
Bad enough being in a plane waywayway up there but I'm used to that.

Yeah I have... clautraphobic as all hell. Got smuggled onto a military sub a cousin of mine was serving on for a 10 minute tour and HATED every second... Didnt go under water and the hatch never closed but I felt like I was going to drown. Those submariners are a special breed to be able to put up with it for a weeks at a time.

Never a dull moment in Melb.

A UFO was going to land at Fed Square in the arvo but there was a no-fly zone.

Ladies and gentlemen, the Victorian Liberal Party:

and it complied lol.....close encounters not.

Gladys gone?