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Blue Mel wrote:batfink wrote:RJL25 wrote:notorganic wrote:Speaking of me getting into politics, I've actually considered it a bit recently. Easy thing to say... notorganic wrote:There's a hitch, though. There's currently no party that is able to accomodate my world view. I would either need to run as an independant or form a new party that took parts of liberalism and socialism. Isn't that pretty much Labor's platform? no labors platform is take it from the people who make it and give to the pricks who cant make it, the pricks who cant make itAKA "the needy" Dole bludgers that spend their days at the beach aren't 'needy'. If Labor actually provided for the needy, there wouldn't still be people living below the poverty line, would there. Are you even old enough to remember "By 1990 no Australian child need live in poverty." Didn't happen did it.
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Blue Mel wrote:batfink wrote:RJL25 wrote:notorganic wrote:Speaking of me getting into politics, I've actually considered it a bit recently. Easy thing to say... notorganic wrote:There's a hitch, though. There's currently no party that is able to accomodate my world view. I would either need to run as an independant or form a new party that took parts of liberalism and socialism. Isn't that pretty much Labor's platform? no labors platform is take it from the people who make it and give to the pricks who cant make it, the pricks who cant make itAKA "the needy" no the bludgers who are able to work but choose not to....we should look after the genuine needy people out there pensioners and the like
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f1worldchamp wrote:Blue Mel wrote:batfink wrote:RJL25 wrote:notorganic wrote:Speaking of me getting into politics, I've actually considered it a bit recently. Easy thing to say... notorganic wrote:There's a hitch, though. There's currently no party that is able to accomodate my world view. I would either need to run as an independant or form a new party that took parts of liberalism and socialism. Isn't that pretty much Labor's platform? no labors platform is take it from the people who make it and give to the pricks who cant make it, the pricks who cant make itAKA "the needy" Dole bludgers that spend their days at the beach aren't 'needy'. If Labor actually provided for the needy, there wouldn't still be people living below the poverty line, would there. Are you even old enough to remember "By 1990 no Australian child need live in poverty." Didn't happen did it. LOL......yes easy to say hard to deliver,massive amount of money being wasted here by this incompetent government........
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sorry double post
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Saw this on Facebook. This is the level of intelligence we have surrounding our political discourse in our nation. 
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notorganic wrote:Saw this on Facebook. This is the level of intelligence we have surrounding our political discourse in our nation. PMSL.......
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batfink wrote:Blue Mel wrote:batfink wrote:an example is on tonites news, why should high income earners pay more for private health insurance????? why penalise the people who achieve at a higher level..?? so there is no incentive to get off your arse and work hard.typical socialist view, sorry same with taxes.....the more you earn the higher % tax you pay, so where is the reward or incentive???
let's flog the cash cow until it's dead, and when it's dead let's all wonder where and why our prosperity has gone.....
labor are doing an excellent job....job losses in car industry, job losses in the banking industry, job losses in the steel and smelting industry, seems like all the favours for the unions is amounting to alot of pain out there.... Um...dude. Have you heard of our record high $ ???? Our current unemployment rate is about as low as it's ever been in at least 35 years. Sounds like good news to me. Yes i have and your point about the $$$$, ask our exporters what they think of it?? you better do some reasearch DUDE a record low in unemployment was achieved in 2008 @ 4%.....pretty sure 2008 wasnt 35 years ago ask the people losing their jobs at the banks, the car industry, the airlines ETC ETC if they think its good news..... and you also should consider these are skilled labour jobs, just just kiddies doing part time work at woolies and coles...... Open your eyes when you drive around and look at all the empty shops, the building firms collapsing, if you think this sounds like good news your sadly mistaken....... I'm well aware of unemployment rates over time. It's easy info to find. Sorry, should have said "unemployment rate is NEARLY as low as it's been in at least 35 years". So you think your observations of empty buildings etc is a more accurate measure of unemployment than economists' figures? As others have said, you seem to avoid backing up your sweeping statements with evidence. Re the $, you completely and totally missed my point...chill out and take a breath...dude. Edited by blue mel: 24/2/2012 03:15:27 PM
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f1worldchamp wrote:Blue Mel wrote:batfink wrote:RJL25 wrote:notorganic wrote:Speaking of me getting into politics, I've actually considered it a bit recently. Easy thing to say... notorganic wrote:There's a hitch, though. There's currently no party that is able to accomodate my world view. I would either need to run as an independant or form a new party that took parts of liberalism and socialism. Isn't that pretty much Labor's platform? no labors platform is take it from the people who make it and give to the pricks who cant make it, the pricks who cant make itAKA "the needy" Dole bludgers that spend their days at the beach aren't 'needy'. If Labor actually provided for the needy, there wouldn't still be people living below the poverty line, would there. Are you even old enough to remember "By 1990 no Australian child need live in poverty." Didn't happen did it. Ah, of course you're right, the Libs have such a proud record of looking after the disadvantaged in our society don't they? When I was homeless as a young lad I spent many days at the beach - had no money and nowhere else to go. But you're saying unemployed people who go to the beach don't deserve government support? "Hello? Centrelink? I apologize for going to the beach, can I still use my health care card?" Not sure what age has to do with anyone's opinion in this debate but the conservative side of this thread keep insisting on it being of relevance.
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Blue Mel wrote:
labor are doing an excellent job....job losses in car industry, job losses in the banking industry, job losses in the steel and smelting industry, seems like all the favours for the unions is amounting to alot of pain out there....
Um...dude. Have you heard of our record high $ ???? Our current unemployment rate is about as low as it's ever been in at least 35 years. Sounds like good news to me. [/quote] Yes i have and your point about the $$$$, ask our exporters what they think of it?? you better do some reasearch DUDE a record low in unemployment was achieved in 2008 @ 4%.....pretty sure 2008 wasnt 35 years ago ask the people losing their jobs at the banks, the car industry, the airlines ETC ETC if they think its good news..... and you also should consider these are skilled labour jobs, just just kiddies doing part time work at woolies and coles...... Open your eyes when you drive around and look at all the empty shops, the building firms collapsing, if you think this sounds like good news your sadly mistaken....... [/quote] I'm well aware of unemployment rates over time. It's easy info to find. Sorry, should have said "unemployment rate is NEARLY as low as it's been in at least 35 years". So you think your observations of empty buildings etc is a more accurate measure of unemployment than economists' figures? As others have said, you seem to avoid backing up your sweeping statements with evidence. Re the $, you completely and totally missed my point...chill out and take a breath...dude.[/quote] ok what was the point your making re the $$$ althoughi have already asked you previously to make your point re the $$$..... really unemployment should be nil, arent we going through a skills shortage and the government spending millions of $$$ reskilling people..... economist figures....LOL....tell me how many expert economist saw the asian economic or GFC crisis coming......LOL yeah labor is great, racking up debt at an alarming rate and no answers..... naive is what i'd call the current set of labor voters, check the link out and tell me how you feel about our countries borrowing? http://www.debtclock.com.au/
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Blue Mel wrote:f1worldchamp wrote:Blue Mel wrote:batfink wrote:RJL25 wrote:notorganic wrote:Speaking of me getting into politics, I've actually considered it a bit recently. Easy thing to say... notorganic wrote:There's a hitch, though. There's currently no party that is able to accomodate my world view. I would either need to run as an independant or form a new party that took parts of liberalism and socialism. Isn't that pretty much Labor's platform? no labors platform is take it from the people who make it and give to the pricks who cant make it, the pricks who cant make itAKA "the needy" Dole bludgers that spend their days at the beach aren't 'needy'. If Labor actually provided for the needy, there wouldn't still be people living below the poverty line, would there. Are you even old enough to remember "By 1990 no Australian child need live in poverty." Didn't happen did it. Ah, of course you're right, the Libs have such a proud record of looking after the disadvantaged in our society don't they? When I was homeless as a young lad I spent many days at the beach - had no money and nowhere else to go. But you're saying unemployed people who go to the beach don't deserve government support? "Hello? Centrelink? I apologize for going to the beach, can I still use my health care card?" Not sure what age has to do with anyone's opinion in this debate but the conservative side of this thread keep insisting on it being of relevance. sounding like a victim to me......[-x
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The entire contents of the above post makes me facepalm. RJL was right, that is the essential premise of the Labor party. Lately they've been failing miserably to achieve this.
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afromanGT wrote:The entire contents of the above post makes me facepalm. RJL was right, that is the essential premise of the Labor party. Lately they've been failing miserably to achieve this. they have been failing miserably at every thing they do....... i refer to them as Errol Flynn of politics......every think they touch they fuck......:-"
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batfink wrote:Blue Mel wrote:f1worldchamp wrote:Blue Mel wrote:batfink wrote:RJL25 wrote:notorganic wrote:Speaking of me getting into politics, I've actually considered it a bit recently. Easy thing to say... notorganic wrote:There's a hitch, though. There's currently no party that is able to accomodate my world view. I would either need to run as an independant or form a new party that took parts of liberalism and socialism. Isn't that pretty much Labor's platform? no labors platform is take it from the people who make it and give to the pricks who cant make it, the pricks who cant make itAKA "the needy" Dole bludgers that spend their days at the beach aren't 'needy'. If Labor actually provided for the needy, there wouldn't still be people living below the poverty line, would there. Are you even old enough to remember "By 1990 no Australian child need live in poverty." Didn't happen did it. Ah, of course you're right, the Libs have such a proud record of looking after the disadvantaged in our society don't they? When I was homeless as a young lad I spent many days at the beach - had no money and nowhere else to go. But you're saying unemployed people who go to the beach don't deserve government support? "Hello? Centrelink? I apologize for going to the beach, can I still use my health care card?" Not sure what age has to do with anyone's opinion in this debate but the conservative side of this thread keep insisting on it being of relevance. sounding like a victim to me......[-x Just because someone tells you they were homeless doesn't mean they carry a victim mentality - homelessness is simply one of those facts of life encountered by many. I was trying to draw attention to yet another sweeping statement from a conservative "thinker". ie F1 essentially saying people at the beach who are on benefits can't be needy?! and it's entirely Labour's fault there are Aussies living in poverty?! Pull the other one
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batfink wrote:Blue Mel wrote:
labor are doing an excellent job....job losses in car industry, job losses in the banking industry, job losses in the steel and smelting industry, seems like all the favours for the unions is amounting to alot of pain out there....
Um...dude. Have you heard of our record high $ ???? Our current unemployment rate is about as low as it's ever been in at least 35 years. Sounds like good news to me. Yes i have and your point about the $$$$, ask our exporters what they think of it?? you better do some reasearch DUDE a record low in unemployment was achieved in 2008 @ 4%.....pretty sure 2008 wasnt 35 years ago ask the people losing their jobs at the banks, the car industry, the airlines ETC ETC if they think its good news..... and you also should consider these are skilled labour jobs, just just kiddies doing part time work at woolies and coles...... Open your eyes when you drive around and look at all the empty shops, the building firms collapsing, if you think this sounds like good news your sadly mistaken....... [/quote] I'm well aware of unemployment rates over time. It's easy info to find. Sorry, should have said "unemployment rate is NEARLY as low as it's been in at least 35 years". So you think your observations of empty buildings etc is a more accurate measure of unemployment than economists' figures? As others have said, you seem to avoid backing up your sweeping statements with evidence. Re the $, you completely and totally missed my point...chill out and take a breath...dude.[/quote] ok what was the point your making re the $$$ althoughi have already asked you previously to make your point re the $$$..... really unemployment should be nil, arent we going through a skills shortage and the government spending millions of $$$ reskilling people..... economist figures....LOL....tell me how many expert economist saw the asian economic or GFC crisis coming......LOL yeah labor is great, racking up debt at an alarming rate and no answers..... naive is what i'd call the current set of labor voters, check the link out and tell me how you feel about our countries borrowing? http://www.debtclock.com.au/[/quote] You just don't make sense. I can see why Notorganic left the conversation. Try to calm down so you can have a nice weekend counting your taxable and non-taxable pennies Batfink.
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Blue Mel wrote:batfink wrote:Blue Mel wrote:
labor are doing an excellent job....job losses in car industry, job losses in the banking industry, job losses in the steel and smelting industry, seems like all the favours for the unions is amounting to alot of pain out there....
Um...dude. Have you heard of our record high $ ???? Our current unemployment rate is about as low as it's ever been in at least 35 years. Sounds like good news to me. Yes i have and your point about the $$$$, ask our exporters what they think of it?? you better do some reasearch DUDE a record low in unemployment was achieved in 2008 @ 4%.....pretty sure 2008 wasnt 35 years ago ask the people losing their jobs at the banks, the car industry, the airlines ETC ETC if they think its good news..... and you also should consider these are skilled labour jobs, just just kiddies doing part time work at woolies and coles...... Open your eyes when you drive around and look at all the empty shops, the building firms collapsing, if you think this sounds like good news your sadly mistaken....... I'm well aware of unemployment rates over time. It's easy info to find. Sorry, should have said "unemployment rate is NEARLY as low as it's been in at least 35 years". So you think your observations of empty buildings etc is a more accurate measure of unemployment than economists' figures? As others have said, you seem to avoid backing up your sweeping statements with evidence. Re the $, you completely and totally missed my point...chill out and take a breath...dude.[/quote] ok what was the point your making re the $$$ althoughi have already asked you previously to make your point re the $$$..... really unemployment should be nil, arent we going through a skills shortage and the government spending millions of $$$ reskilling people..... economist figures....LOL....tell me how many expert economist saw the asian economic or GFC crisis coming......LOL yeah labor is great, racking up debt at an alarming rate and no answers..... naive is what i'd call the current set of labor voters, check the link out and tell me how you feel about our countries borrowing? http://www.debtclock.com.au/[/quote] You just don't make sense. I can see why Notorganic left the conversation. Try to calm down so you can have a nice weekend counting your taxable and non-taxable pennies Batfink. [/quote] i will have a great weekend thanks, i hope you do as well.....oh yeah our currency is now $AU...... sorry you can't comprehend.....you have failed to explain the relevence of the High $$ with a supposed great government...perhaps it's you who do not make sense....:shock:
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Quote:Contacts for Federal Labor MPs From: Herald Sun February 24, 2012 READERS who wish to contact their local parliamentarian can email them. Find your local member's email address here. Senators Kim Carr - senator.carr@aph.gov.auJacinta Collins - senator.collins@aph.gov.auStephen Conroy - senator.conroy@aph.gov.auDavid Feeney - senator.feeney@aph.gov.auGavin Marshall - senator.marshall@aph.gov.au MPs Anna Burke, Chisholm, Anna.Burke.MP@aph.gov.auAnthony Byrne, Holt, Anthony.Byrne.MP@aph.gov.auDarren Cheeseman, Corangamite, Darren.Cheeseman.MP@aph.gov.au Simon Crean, Hotham, S.Crean.MP@aph.gov.auMichael Danby, Melbourne Ports, Michael.Danby.MP@aph.gov.auMark Dreyfus, Isaacs, Mark.Dreyfus.MP@aph.gov.auMartin Ferguson, Batman, Martin.Ferguson.MP@aph.gov.auSteve Gibbons, Bendigo, Steve.Gibbons.MP@aph.gov.auJulia Gillard, Lalor, Julia.Gillard.MP@aph.gov.auAlan Griffin, Bruce, Alan.Griffin.MP@aph.gov.auHarry Jenkins, Scullin, Harry.Jenkins.MP@aph.gov.auCatherine King, Ballarat, Catherine.King.MP@aph.gov.auJenny Macklin, Jagajaga, JMacklin.MP@aph.gov.auRichard Marles, Corio, Richard.Marles.MP@aph.gov.auRob Mitchell, McEwen, Rob.Mitchell.MP@aph.gov.auBrendan O'Connor, Gorton, Brendan.O'Connor.MP@aph.gov.au Nicola Roxon, Gellibrand, Nicola.Roxon.MP@aph.gov.auBill Shorten, Maribyrnong, Bill.Shorten.MP@aph.gov.auLaura Smyth, La Trobe, Laura.Smyth.MP@aph.gov.auMike Symon, Deakin, Mike.Symon.MP@aph.gov.auKelvin Thomson, Wills, Kelvin.Thomson.MP@aph.gov.auMaria Vamvakinou, Calwell, Maria.Vamvakinou.MP@aph.gov.auhttp://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/contacts-for-federal-parliamentarians/story-fn7x8me2-1226279909276
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Who do you want as Prime Minister? Julia Gillard 8.47% (2754 votes) Kevin Rudd 39.52% (12844 votes) Neither. I want an election 52% (16901 votes) Total votes: 32499 http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/why-you-should-vote-for-me-kevin-rudd/story-fn7x8me2-1226279914944
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Quote:May the light again shine on a true leader by: Jeff Kennett From: Herald Sun February 24, 2012 DEAR Mr Chifley, In your famous 1949 speech, you referred to the "light on the Hill" that then directed the Labor Party. Today, in 2012, that light is flickering and looks set to die. I pen these words in the hope the esteem in which you are still held will galvanise your flock into acts of passion, daring and simply doing the right thing by our nation. As an Australian citizen, albeit one who is a member of the Liberal Party, my first wish is that I have a strong, functional government. Your party, the Labor Party, has a long and proud history. Established in 1891, to represent the working class as it was described then, the party's mandate and reason for existing was clear. With the passage of time the Labor Party has had to adjust, like all of us, to a more competitive world. Your party has delivered some wonderful governments and leaders. You, along with Bob Hawke and Paul Keating, showed an innate understanding of Australia's needs that, at times, put you at odds with sections of your party. Australia was the winner from such leadership. Today your party - through a combination of a long time in office and hubris - has changed the Australian landscape from red to blue. But, Mr Chifley, what is happening in Canberra at present beggars belief. It would be hard to recall a time in Australia's short history, within any political party, when personal ambitions, vanity and self-interest has so consistently taken precedence over the national interest. And this is happening at a time when this country needs strong, creative leadership. Instead, your party is eating its own. Kevin Rudd became leader in 2007. He was, and still is, factionally unaligned. But it was his personality, his drive and his advocacy for your party's policies that won the election over the long-serving Coalition led by John Howard. Kevin has his strengths and weaknesses. The way he managed his office, his party and the public service was nothing short of diabolical. And, yes, he made some policy mistakes, perhaps because he failed to consult sufficiently or because those in that team did not have the courage or influence to keep their leader in line. Suffice to say, a number of the so-called numbers men decided to change the leader of your parliamentary party. Here, a great Labor Party tradition was broken, if not destroyed. Both Kevin Rudd and Prime Minister Julia Gillard are very personable. I have worked with both on matters of state and have never witnessed anything but genuine interest and integrity. But as leaders, as managers of people, as leaders of our country, as agents of change, as reformists, as visionaries, you only have to look at where their party is today. My football club, Hawthorn, has more members than the Labor Party has nationally. Julia, having taken the leadership in defiance of every Labor tradition, could conceivably die by the very sword she used against Kevin.Mr Chifley, you are an enduring symbol of the party. It is time your colleagues in this new century stepped in on behalf of Australians regardless of which party we may support. With due respect, what is the point of going back to Kevin? If he did get the numbers to take the leadership again, half your party would be against him. Give us a new untainted leader to lead our Government. Not one of the numbers men, not a current or former prime minister, but a person who values being a member of the Australian Labor Party - a person who will bring back a sense of stability to your party and to the governance of Australia. Australia needs that light to shine again. Jeff Kennett, Ageing Pensioner http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/may-the-light-again-shine-on-a-true-leader/story-e6frfhqf-1226279958391
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batfink wrote:
sorry you can't comprehend.....you have failed to explain the relevence of the High $$ with a supposed great government...perhaps it's you who do not make sense....:shock:
I see you still don't understand the effect of the high exchange rate on exporters with your statement that we should have zero unemployment at the moment. I attempted to explain the repercussions of the high $AU to you previously, as below skeptic wrote:Quote:job losses in car industry, job losses in the banking industry, job losses in the steel and smelting industry, Pulling my fingernails out will be a less painful procedure than explaining the reason why and why that reason exists. But, what the hell. Please note. To avoid accusations of political bias, the sources below are conservative media and industry based.
Quote:Chief economist with AMP Capital Investors Shane Oliver says that while the US and UK currencies have fallen relative to currencies of the emerging world, Australia’s has remained strong due to strong commodity prices, tight monetary policy and Australia’s strong performance during the global financial crisis.
The dollar’s strength, says Oliver, is entirely consistent with our strong terms of trade and is likely to continue for some time.http://www.propertyoz.com.au/Article/NewsDetail.aspx?p=56&mid=1765
Edited by skeptic: 9/2/2012 08:59:02 PM And you chose to say this, Quote:better change you name from SKEPTIC to SPINDOCTORd'oh! d'oh! Brick wall Brick wall So what's the use? There's none so blind as those who will not see.
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Quote:Mixed response as Rudd hits phones From: AAP February 24, 2012 8:00PM KEVIN Rudd says he's had a mixed response as he works the phones ahead of Monday's leadership showdown. "I'm encouraged by some responses and disappointed by one or two. That's life in the fast lane," he told reporters as he returned to his Brisbane home on Friday evening. Asked how the numbers were looking ahead of the spill, he said: "I think we're doing OK. It's always tough when you're up against the combined factional forces of all the factions. "But that's never stood in my way before." He dismissed questions about what the independents who prop up the minority government might do if he's returned to the Labor leadership. "You can't get the cart before the horse," he said. "The first thing is the leadership of the parliamentary Labor party. If that turns in my direction then there will be other negotiations to occur with the independents." He said he had not canvassed the support of the independents or the Greens. "No I haven't. I've been working with my parliamentary colleagues. I think the right thing to do is to talk to them at the appropriate time." Mr Rudd rounded on Prime Minister Julia Gillard again over what he earlier called the "midnight coup" of June 2010 that ousted him. "I notice very carefully that when Julia is talking about the leadership challenge in 2010, suddenly the formulation is that Julia made her final - quote final - decision to run for leadership on the day of the coup," he said. "The bottom line is Julia's never been able to answer straight the question which was put to her by Four Corners which was, 'was she working on victory speeches weeks in advance'? "I think that is a bit disappointing because we've been told for a long time now that this was a last-minute decision. "It seems to now be clear to everybody that it was long and premeditated. This does go to a question of trust." http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/mixed-response-as-rudd-hits-phones/story-e6frf7jx-1226280999229
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I wonder if he lost, which is likely, would he consider resigning from the ALP and sitting as an independant, or alternatively, resigning from parliament and forcing an election...and then running as an independant.
Just a couple of crazy left field ideas...
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Quote:Gillard v Rudd: the numbers February 24, 2012 - 2:16PM RAW VISION: Prime Minister Julia Gillard fronts the media Friday afternoon to push her case for Labor leadership over Kevin Rudd. Julia Gillard’s numbers appear to be firming despite two backbenchers stating their support for Kevin Rudd today. NSW MP Ed Husic, long counted as a Rudd supporter, confirmed this today, as did South Australian MP Nick Champion, who had been undecided. Mr Rudd rang Mr Champion from Dallas airport last night. In a blow to the Rudd camp, NSW MP Stephen Jones, who holds the seat of Throsby, has told colleagues he is backing Ms Gillard. Mr Jones had long been in the Rudd camp but is understood to be unhappy with the spectacle the leadership battle has become. The Rudd camp believes it needs more than 30 votes to keep alive the prospect of a second challenge after Monday’s ballot. Here are the latest numbers: GILLARD (67) QLD Wayne Swan Yvette D'Ath Joe Ludwig John Hogg Graham Perrett Shayne Neumann Bernie Ripoll Craig Emerson Kirstin Livermore Jan McLucas . SA Don Farrell Mark Butler Kate Ellis Anne McEwen Penny Wong Alex Gallacher Amanda Rishworth Steve Georganas . WA Stephen Smith Gary Gray Glenn Sterle Chris Evans Louise Pratt . VIC Julia Gillard Bill Shorten Stephen Conroy Nicola Roxon Simon Crean Catherine King Richard Marles Jenny Macklin Brendan O'Connor Steve Gibbons David Feeney Mark Dreyfus Rob Mitchell Michael Danby Jacinta Collins Harry Jenkins Mike Symon. . TAS Julie Collins Sid Sidebottom Helen Polley Geoff Lyons Lisa Singh . NT Warren Snowdon . ACT Andrew Leigh Gai Brodtmann Kate Lundy . NSW Mark Arbib Matt Thistlethwaite Tony Burke Jason Clare Greg Combet Joel Fitzgibbon Sharon Bird Deborah O'Neill Tanya Plibersek Julie Owens Peter Garrett Sharon Grierson Michelle Rowland Chris Hayes Daryl Melham David Bradbury John Murphy Stephen Jones . LEANING GILLARD (3) NSW Craig Thomson . TAS Catryna Bilyk . NSW Laurie Ferguson . LEANING RUDD (3) . TAS Dick Adams . VIC Anna Burke . NSW Anthony Albanese . RUDD (29) WA Mark Bishop Melissa Parke . SA Tony Zappia Nick Champion . TAS Carol Brown Anne Urquhart Nick Sherry . ACT Nil . NSW John Faulkner Justine Elliot Robert McLelland Chris Bowen Ursula Stephens Mike Kelly Janelle Saffin Doug Cameron Ed Husic Jill Hall . VIC Anthony Byrne Laura Smyth Maria Vamvakinou Kim Carr Martin Ferguson Alan Griffin Gavin Marshall Darren Cheeseman . NT Trish Crossin . QLD Kevin Rudd Claire Moore Mark Furner . UNDECIDED Kelvin Thomson Based on public comments by MPs and views of their colleagues. Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/gillard-v-rudd--the-numbers-20120224-1trud.html#ixzz1nIFRVcgd
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batfink
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skeptic wrote:batfink wrote:
sorry you can't comprehend.....you have failed to explain the relevence of the High $$ with a supposed great government...perhaps it's you who do not make sense....:shock:
I see you still don't understand the effect of the high exchange rate on exporters with your statement that we should have zero unemployment at the moment. I attempted to explain the repercussions of the high $AU to you previously, as below skeptic wrote:Quote:job losses in car industry, job losses in the banking industry, job losses in the steel and smelting industry, Pulling my fingernails out will be a less painful procedure than explaining the reason why and why that reason exists. But, what the hell. Please note. To avoid accusations of political bias, the sources below are conservative media and industry based.
Quote:Chief economist with AMP Capital Investors Shane Oliver says that while the US and UK currencies have fallen relative to currencies of the emerging world, Australia’s has remained strong due to strong commodity prices, tight monetary policy and Australia’s strong performance during the global financial crisis.
The dollar’s strength, says Oliver, is entirely consistent with our strong terms of trade and is likely to continue for some time.http://www.propertyoz.com.au/Article/NewsDetail.aspx?p=56&mid=1765
Edited by skeptic: 9/2/2012 08:59:02 PM And you chose to say this, Quote:better change you name from SKEPTIC to SPINDOCTORd'oh! d'oh! Brick wall Brick wall So what's the use? There's none so blind as those who will not see. LOL.....you guys are either the same person or in cahootz..... it's all out of context and twisted, Bluemel or you or whoever all of you are stated that a high aussie $$$$ was an achievemnet of the gillard government...and when iasked for him to explain why, i am still waiting om a response.... when i say there should be nil unemployment it's quite obvious that this is completely un achievable...but what i mean is there is a skills shortage, employers are desperate for people who can do the job, so low unemployment figures are more to do with a shortage of skilled labour than good government management... i still can't for the life of me understand how ANYONE can defend this gillard led government......you reap what you sow and gillard is reaping it by the 1000's...and good to see it happen to the liar she is, the manipulative structure of the factions and the caucus and the presure placed on pre-selections...they are are rubbish government and party and need a reality check...in saying this...i wish turnbull was the coalition leader...but really mickey mouse and donald duck could do a better job the was this rabble called the ALP is...they are showing their true colours now... the cheap low life scum that they are......and they way they conduct themselves is a disgrace to this great country.....
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skeptic
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Some should be drowned at fucking birth to prevent the continuance of defective genes. Good gawd, did you even get through primary school? Yourself, girtrude and davstar are brothers?
I give up.
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The high aussie dollar is by the virtue of other economies falling harder than our own. Which was courtesy of a number of factors, naught to do with Gillard.
Skeptic, settle down la. Circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because...
Leave them to it.
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Preferred PM
Rudd 48%
Abbott 40%
Preferred Labor leader
Rudd 53%
Gillard 30%
Labor pollies are going to shoot themselves in the foot by ignoring the polls & keeping Gillard
The question is will they be swayed by the polls? I doubt it
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skeptic
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They are always swayed by the polls, but not this time. Personal ambition and resentment appears to be the overriding factor, even at the expense of an election defeat. Fear of losing an election is usually the motive for leadership change but this one is peculiar.
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batfink
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geez, rudds address last night was scathing, they really are going for each others jugulars......
really tasteless stuff and show you that neither of them are fit for leadership
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batfink wrote:
really tasteless stuff and show you that neither of them are fit for leadership
Can you explain to me in a few sentences why you think Tony Abbott is such a tasteful alternative?
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