http://www.ibtimes.com/isis-oil-revenue-islamic-state-makes-money-selling-gas-bashar-assad-new-bbc2-1892370

European businesses are now under pressure to employ these refugees. However, Europe has had its own employment issues.

This is what happens when you bow to socialist bullshit. The simple facts are Europe is struggling to support it's own people and now they've just had a million more walk up with their hands out.

I feel sorry for these people but if they were genuine refugees they'd have stopped at the first border they got to instead of travelling another 5000 clicks to get to Germany.

I wonder what people's positions are on climate change refugees.
When island nations, like Tuvalu, are inevitably wiped out due to rising seas, should Australia take more than its per capita proportion of these refugees since we contributed more than other nations to their destruction, on a per capita CO2 emission basis?

Good thing we don't have an island nation with the world's fourth largest population (who are also Muslim) just to our north that'll need somewhere to go. The "stop the boats" type might be worried about that scenario.

Also, climate change thread.

Edited by paladisious: 6/9/2015 05:58:40 PM

That's not proof, that's just one bloke claiming something because it potentially could happen.

Please respond to the rest of my post.

Yeah, over 100 million people moving to Australia is a small problem that only racist hicks would be concerned about :roll:

Even easier to be a heartless, selfish pig behind a computer screen.



A contender for most distasteful post of the year. I felt ill reading it.

You come in here with feel-good platitudes and hyperbole that wouldn't be uncommon on tumblr, and you add nothing constructive to the debate besides feel-good shit like

> We're all humans on Earth! :^)
> It's the decent thing to do!

and you provide no practical solutions or critical examination of what you're suggesting. If Europe let in literally everyone who wanted to go there, then the European dream would cease to exist.

Read up on the story.

The family had been safely residing in Turkey for 3 years, and his father had stable work. They decided to cross over illegally because the father wanted dental surgery on his teeth. That's it. The kid died because his father wanted some teeth.

It's their fault, and their fault alone.

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Edited by 433: 6/9/2015 06:52:29 PM

Edited by 433: 6/9/2015 06:56:00 PM

What? Global Research a well known conspiracy site compared to BBC?
What do you want me to respond to specifically?

Fuck 433 you are the most heartless bastard . To justify its the fathers fault is sick. My wife was a refugee in germany do you think her parents want3d to leave bosnia? Hell fuck no but war does that to desparate people. Maybe just maybe if you actually speak to those peiple instead of believing the shit you hear on the media you'll be suprised on what you see and hear. Pathetic

Why are these people rocking up at Germany's border instead of neighbouring borders? They're economic refugees.

My work colleague was also a refugee in Bosnia during the war. His town was shelled on and off for 2 years. He stopped at the first border he got to. He didn't travel to his country of choice and then complain.......

Did you even read the post, you illiterate fuck? He was fine and safe in Turkey but went for fucking dental surgery.

That father should live with the burden of his mistake, not the Europeans which the media has tried to tarnish.

The fuck you talking about media anyway? The media overwhelmingly support this mass migration.

As benelsmore stated, these people are economic migrants. Here, I even drew a map for you!




Edited by 433: 6/9/2015 07:15:21 PM

The article was cited by a phd from Sydney university.

The fact that this is no uprising against a brutal dictator, it's just opportunist Sunni terrorists from foreign countries pissed off at a non-Sunni trying to modernise and Westernise a Muslim country.

This so much. F*cking socialist BS and moral high ground. It's painful to see keyboard warriors and media outlets slam Europe for not being prepared for this. It's a f*cking joke.

The socialist retards need to think about where the money is going to come from to support these people. They won't. They'll sit in their ivory tower and somehow blame America and the rich because it's what they do.

just one man's opinion and he can only get published on a conspiracy site

That's a pretty sick drawing, but the British use the pound and Germany use the euro. ;)

Similarly, your piece can only get published on an organisation notorious for far-left propaganda.

...and you still haven't responded to the rest of my post.

Oh sorry, I thought I already had. The article is one man's opinion and its not published on a respected source.
Its common knowledge that the brutal Syrian regime is chiefly responsible for the movement of these immigrants.

Also a brutal drought from 2006-2011 forcing rural migration to cities with no work available.

Correct, climate change is a major factor here

The science here is not concrete. There have been brutal droughts all over the world since time began.

I would say a climate anomaly is a major factor here.

http://www.pnas.org/content/112/11/3241.abstract

peer reviewed

It would most definitely be a problem, so yeah, better do something about climate change, hey.

Wise words.

Tbf i wouldn't be surprised if those that dont make it to germany settle elsewhere. The population in europe is declining. Germany has capped their intake. They wouldnt accept a whole heap of people if they couldnt handle it. Lets be honest and the population seem receptive.

As an EAL teacher they provide me with work. More the merrier.

http://jondanzig.blogspot.com.au/2015/09/misleading-claim-about-why-syrian-boy.html

A YouTube video posted yesterday by a UKIP supporter claims that the Syrian boy who was washed up on a Turkish beach drowned because ‘his father wanted new teeth.' The video has so far been viewed over 400,000 times and also posted by far-right groups.

The video shows a clip from a short Sky News interview to which has been added (not by Sky News) an opening title stating, ‘Syrian boy drowned because his Father wanted new teeth’.

In the brief Sky interview, the boy’s aunt said that that her brother, the little boy’s father, had lost all his teeth. He would need implants, and she was trying to help him, but it would cost a lot of money which she couldn’t send in one go. She explained that the idea was that the family should go to Europe for his kids and a better future, and then they could see about fixing his teeth.

According to news reports, the father had been kidnapped and tortured during the siege of Kobani by Islamic State or another jihadist group, and it's claimed that all of his teeth had been pulled or knocked out. (I am seeking verification of these reports)

I have watched the 2-minute video clip several times and have to ask: why does the father's need for dental treatment change anything about the story of this family's desperate bid to find a place to resettle? How can anyone conclude from this short interview that the little boy, 3-year-old Alan Kurdi, drowned because his father, Abdullah, needed his teeth fixed?

The Kurdi family, including Alan’s brother, 5-year-old Ghalib and mother, Rehanna, were trying to reach a country where they could start a new life.

There is clearly more to this story and I expect further details may be forthcoming in the coming weeks. I am relying on information gained from several news sources to present here what I believe is a more rounded account than the one presented in the misleading title of the video. Of course, in war the first casualty is truth; I don’t know the full details or how accurate are all the news reports. However, common sense and humanity tells me how unlikely it is that a father would risk his family’s life just so that he could obtain dental treatment.

Abdullah’s sister living in Canada, Tima Kurdi, sent money to him so traffickers could be paid to arrange the perilous boat journey for the family to escape from Turkey to Greece - a ‘good deed’ she now greatly regrets.

She explained in a BBC interview why she sent the money, “I was doing it for their better future, for the kids, for him, for the whole family”. In another interview published by Canada’s Huffington Post she said, "I am the one who should be at blame. I blame myself because my brother does not have money. I sent him the money to pay the smuggler. If I didn't send him the money, those people still (would be) alive."

The family were hoping eventually to start a new life in Canada as they were desperate to leave Turkey, where they had sought refuge for three years, but Turkey wouldn’t let them have exit visas.

The father, Abdullah Kurdi, had first gone on his own to Turkey for a job, leaving behind his wife and 2-year-old son Ghalib and yet-to-be-born Alan at their family home in Kobani. But later Kobani was overrun by ISIS terrorists; a relative of the family was beheaded and the family home was hit by a mortar shell and completely destroyed. Abdullah went to fetch his wife, Rehanna, son Ghalib and newly born Alan to flee Kobani and seek refuge back in Turkey.

Earlier this year ISIS was driven out of Kobani, but this summer ISIS resumed its attacks on the city.

In Turkey the family joined 2.5 million other Syrian refugees, representing the world’s biggest refugee population. The circumstances in Turkey for Syrian refugees is reported to be very difficult.

According to a recent BBC report, Syrian families are forced to live on the streets and many refugees feel there is no future for them there. Large numbers consider they have no option but to take desperate, hazardous measures to escape across the sea, as eventually would the Kurdi family.

As the Kurdi family did not have passports, they were reported to have to register at a ‘temporary protection shelter’ and were not permitted to leave the country. So the family were in a kind of limbo - unable to obtain exit visas from Turkey because they lacked passports, and unable to win asylum elsewhere because they lacked exit visas. It appeared that if they were to leave Turkey it would have to be by illicit means.

The family wanted to escape from Turkey to find a life somewhere else, somewhere better; that’s what many refugees understandably seek to do after weeks, months and often years living in stasis as ‘displaced persons’, where conditions are tough, often with no home-life, no legitimate jobs, no future, no prospects and mostly with no legal or hopeful means of 'moving on'...

The Kurdi family made several unsuccessful attempts to be illegally ‘smuggled’ out of the country. The fourth and final attempt led to devastating circumstances this week, as the world now knows. The two little boys and their mother drowned. Only the father, Abdullah, survived.

It’s believed that the smugglers were paid almost £3,000 for the crossing; several times the cost of a flight for the entire family to Canada. But when the only means of escape from a country is illegal, there is usually no choice in the method of transport.

I fail to see how this tragic story of a war-torn desperate Syrian family trying firstly to seek safe refuge in Turkey, and then to seek a new life somewhere else, is at all demeaned, diminished or changed by the fact that the father also required dentistry.

I feel sad that a video has been distributed that tries to undermine the plight, and death, of a family caught up in the most awful, tragic circumstances.

Interesting read that's for sure. Ambiguity in scientific papers always amuses me. I read the EIS for the Abbott Point dredging proposal and the language was in many places almost deceptive!

Letter from Father's Aunt which might provide some perspective.

Some more perspective.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34141716

As Syrian Kurds, the Kurdis' chances of being granted asylum in Canada were hampered from the moment they set out for Turkey. For many years, Syria denied its Kurdish population citizenship and Kurds were regarded as stateless by the authorities. A decree in 2011 allowed some to apply for citizenship but others were ineligible and many were forced to flee before they could apply.

The Kurdis had been living in Damascus until the early stages of the Syrian conflict in late 2011. When the violence in the city escalated, they relocated back to Makharij village, 25km outside the northern town of Kobane.

When Kobane became a flashpoint in the conflict between Kurdish fighters and Islamic State militants in late 2014, the family fled along with tens of thousands of others for Turkey. But while crossing Turkey's open border gave them refuge, it did not give them status.

Turkey was the first of Syria's neighbours to respond formally to the refugee crisis, declaring a temporary protection policy in October 2011 that guaranteed no Syrian refugees would be sent home.

Under the policy, those with passports are given a year-long residence permit and are free to move. But those without documents are obliged to register at a refugee camp and stay there, or they are "irregular" - living illegally outside of camps.

This is the situation the Kurdis found themselves in, staying in Istanbul but desperate to leave Turkey. Such people are in a kind of limbo - unable to obtain exit visas from Turkey because they lack passports and unable to win asylum elsewhere because they lack exit visas.

Tima Kurdi had sponsored a "G5" private asylum application for the family of her other brother, Mohammad. Financial constraints and the complexity of the process meant she had to tackle one family at a time - Mohammad was chosen first because he had school-age children.

But the application was rejected by Canadian immigration authorities. Canada's Department of Citizenship and Immigration told the BBC the application was "incomplete as it did not meet regulatory requirements for proof of refugee status recognition".

The reason for the rejection was simple, said Tima; the Kurdis had no passports and no Turkish work permits - documents they were unable to retain.

When the first asylum application was rejected in June, "there was no hope" of Abdullah and his family obtaining the correct paperwork for a successful application, she said. And so they headed for the coastline.