The Australian Politics thread: Prime Minister Anthony Albanese


The Australian Politics thread: Prime Minister Anthony Albanese

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sub007 - 19 May 2019 12:20 AM
LFC. - 19 May 2019 12:18 AM

Don’t agree on Wong but I agree on the last point. Labor needs a Bernie Sanders like leader.

Oh please elect Wong next! Next election would be even better! 
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rusty - 19 May 2019 12:47 AM
433 - 19 May 2019 12:36 AM

Or how about removing gender from birth certificates and giving people the choice to choose their gender depending on their feelings?  Gonna happen soon!

That’s a dumb policy imo. However if someone realises they are another gender, then they should be allowed to change it.
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sub007 - 19 May 2019 12:46 AM
rusty - 19 May 2019 12:45 AM

Imagine thinking the Greens are communist lmfao.

I don’t agree with all of their policies but they actually will serve the people and take real action against climate change unlike the libs while Labor will only implement half measures.

They wont do anything for climate change.  Our emission are less than 1%, even if we reduce our emissions to zero it will barely move the needle.  If you want to take real action on climate change then you have to nuke China and the 500 coal fire power stations they are building in the next decade.  Carbon taxes and renewable energy targets are just political tools and environmental posturing.
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sub007 - 19 May 2019 12:35 AM
Enzo Bearzot - 19 May 2019 12:34 AM

Far left 😂😂😂😂.

Most left wing parties in the western world have moved right, especially on economics which is why they are losing. People will always choose shit over shit lite. That why the Greens were my first preference and not Labor.



Crap! 

The ALP has not moved right. They have gone all fuktard on us with their progressive identity politics shit. People have rejected the divisive shit leftist socialist agenda. 
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sub007 - 19 May 2019 12:53 AM
rusty - 19 May 2019 12:47 AM

That’s a dumb policy imo. However if someone realises they are another gender, then they should be allowed to change it.

So men can have vaginas and women can have penises?  Fuck sake.
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433 - 19 May 2019 12:53 AM
rusty - 19 May 2019 12:47 AM

Gender is a social construct. 

No it isn’t, it’s whether you have a dick or a vag.  

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I think it’s time to cut Victoria adrift. They can join New Zulund! 
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mouflonrouge - 19 May 2019 12:56 AM
sub007 - 19 May 2019 12:35 AM

Crap! 

The ALP has not moved right. They have gone all fuktard on us with their progressive identity politics shot. People have rejected the divisive shit leftist socialist agenda. 

Damn straight comrade!
There cheers for our great fascist dictator Scomo!
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rusty - 19 May 2019 12:58 AM
433 - 19 May 2019 12:53 AM

No it isn’t, it’s whether you have a dick or a vag.  

No, gender is an artificial construct made by society. What you're referring to is "sex", which is biological. Gender =/= sex. 

mouflonrouge - 19 May 2019 12:59 AM
I think it’s time to cut Victoria adrift. They can join New Zulund! 

Given that we're a net contributor to the nations tax base I would 100% be fine with this. 


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sub007 - 19 May 2019 12:53 AM
rusty - 19 May 2019 12:47 AM

That’s a dumb policy imo. However if someone realises they are another gender, then they should be allowed to change it.

 Honestly sub, do you honestly believe in that? I mean seriously all jokes aside you've said it's a stupid policy and then you say however it is acceptable if a male actually thinks he's a female.
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sub007 - 19 May 2019 12:51 AM
Enzo Bearzot - 19 May 2019 12:47 AM

I’m really not. Most left wing parties around the world  have moved right, especially on economics. Labor’s economic polices in the past have actually been far further to the left than they are now.

Shorten's Labor wanted to remove negative gearing, increase capital gains tax by 50%, remove franking credits, attack super.  These were all policies introduced by Labor.

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Enzo Bearzot - 19 May 2019 12:14 AM
Australia dodged a bullet.  Shorten was the most dangerous man in Australian politics.   Forever reciting his focus-group prepared speeches that channelled the politics of envy, class division, ageism  pitting low income earner and middle income earner, worker and business owner. Dividing the nation.

The demographic that really fucked Labor were the middle class- the Gen X like myself, who didn't kindly to being insulted with labels such as Top End of Town, who just wanted to keep what we've worked long and hard for over decades like our homes, our investments, our super that Labor wanted to tax to oblivion.

Include self funded retirees getting shafted, you know those silly mugs who have paid tax all their hard working life only to be robbed.
Stinking rotten politics.
I admire those people never asking for handouts.




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Watching Stan Grant on ABC and he is nailing everything.  The air heads interrupting have NFI.

Australians don't want social engineering.

The political class are totally disconnected from real people.

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I wonder if the Greens and Labor supporters will start protesting tomorrow.


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433 - 19 May 2019 1:03 AM
rusty - 19 May 2019 12:58 AM

No, gender is an artificial construct made by society. What you're referring to is "sex", which is biological. Gender =/= sex. 

No sir, google it, gender was dick /vag before radical feminists hijacked it in the 70s, and turned it into this malleable thing along some imaginary continuum.







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sub007 - 19 May 2019 12:53 AM

 Honestly sub, do you honestly believe in that? I mean seriously all jokes aside you've said it's a stupid policy and then you say however it is acceptable if a male actually thinks he's a female.

Yes. If you are born a male, you should be seen as a male.

However some people are born into the wrong bodies. For example, they could be born into a mans body, but are psychologically a woman and feel more comfortable acting like one, wearing women's clothes etc. If we want people to be allowed to be who they are, then they should be allowed to change their gender instead of being forced to be something they're not which is why I believe you should have the right to change your gender if you so choose.
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rusty - 19 May 2019 1:12 AM
433 - 19 May 2019 1:03 AM

No sir, google it, gender was dick /vag before radical feminists hijacked it in the 70s, and turned it into this malleable thing along some imaginary continuum.







Woah, it's like words can change meaning. Amazing. 
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433 - 19 May 2019 1:03 AM
rusty - 19 May 2019 12:58 AM

No, gender is an artificial construct made by society. What you're referring to is "sex", which is biological. Gender =/= sex. 

mouflonrouge - 19 May 2019 12:59 AM

Given that we're a net contributor to the nations tax base I would 100% be fine with this. 


I'd rather live in NZ tbh.
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sub007 - 19 May 2019 12:53 AM
rusty - 19 May 2019 12:47 AM

That’s a dumb policy imo. However if someone realises they are another gender, then they should be allowed to change it.

A colleague spent 6 months in the US college system.  There he found they have about 70 different genders, and people were wearing badges as to what pronoun others could use referring to them.  Ridiculous.

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433 - 19 May 2019 1:13 AM
rusty - 19 May 2019 1:12 AM

Woah, it's like words can change meaning. Amazing. 

Nup.  YOU can say "X means Y".  I can say "Bullshit.  You just made that up.  I'm not accepting your language because its bullshit you just made up"

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Enzo Bearzot - 19 May 2019 1:13 AM
sub007 - 19 May 2019 12:53 AM

A colleague spent 6 months in the US college system.  There he found they have about 70 different genders, and people were wearing badges as to what pronoun othrs huld use referring to them.  Ridiculous.

Well, there are 2 genders male and female (I'm not sure whether gender fluid is a real thing), however some people are born into the wrong bodies.
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Enzo Bearzot - 19 May 2019 1:15 AM
433 - 19 May 2019 1:13 AM

Nup.  YOU can say "X means Y".  I can say "Bullshit.  You just made that up.  I'm not accepting your language because its bullshit you just made up"

All language is "made up". If enough people use a word a certain way, then the definition/usage changes. 
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sub007 - 19 May 2019 1:17 AM
Enzo Bearzot - 19 May 2019 1:13 AM

We'll there are 2 genders male and female (I'm not sure whether gender fluid is a real thing), however some people are born into the wrong bodies.

Is that a medical and scientific fact? Psychological theory is not scientific nor medical so I don't accept that.

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sub007 - 19 May 2019 1:12 AM
robstazzz - 19 May 2019 1:04 AM

Yes. If you are born a male, you should be seen as a male.

However some people are born into the wrong bodies. For example, they could be born into a mans body, but are psychologically a woman and feel more comfortable acting like one, wearing women's clothes etc. If we want people to be allowed to be who they are, then they should be allowed to change their gender instead of being forced to be something they're not which is why I believe you should have the right to change your gender if you so choose.

What if someone feels they were born into the wrong race?  Can a person who looks white, who has maybe 1% African DNA, identity as black?  Feelings cannot trump facts, someone who feels they were born into the wrong body does change the fact that their body determines their gender, not their psychological state.

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433 - 19 May 2019 1:17 AM
Enzo Bearzot - 19 May 2019 1:15 AM

All language is "made up". If enough people use a word a certain way, then the definition/usage changes. 

But in this case, the meaning is not something that occurred organically over time.  It is being forced on the community by a small political class onto mainstream people.  There is no obligation on the mainstream to accept that.

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sub007 - 19 May 2019 1:12 AM
robstazzz - 19 May 2019 1:04 AM

Yes. If you are born a male, you should be seen as a male.

However some people are born into the wrong bodies. For example, they could be born into a mans body, but are psychologically a woman and feel more comfortable acting like one, wearing women's clothes etc. If we want people to be allowed to be who they are, then they should be allowed to change their gender instead of being forced to be something they're not which is why I believe you should have the right to change your gender if you so choose.

So you're admitting if you're born a male, you're a male. 
You're also admitting it is a stupid policy to allow people to choose what gender they are. 
With that in mind, I'm sorry, but I think it is cruel that you play with the mind of someone, and allow them to believe that they are right, when deep down inside you really don't believe them yourself, and on top of that you think their decision is stupid. 


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rusty - 19 May 2019 1:21 AM
sub007 - 19 May 2019 1:12 AM

What if someone feels they were born into the wrong race?  Can a person who looks white, who has maybe 1% African DNA, identity as black?  Feelings cannot trump facts, someone who feels they were born into the wrong body does change the fact that their body determines their gender, not their psychological state.

psychology as discipline is bullshit anyway.  50% of psychological research results cannot be repeated.

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Enzo Bearzot - 19 May 2019 1:21 AM
433 - 19 May 2019 1:17 AM

But in this case, the meaning is not something that occurred organically over time.  It is being forced on the community by a small political class onto mainstream people.  There is no obligation on the mainstream to accept that.

Does that small political class start with J and rhyme with news?
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rusty - 19 May 2019 1:12 AM

Woah, it's like words can change meaning. Amazing. 

Sometimes they get butchered
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sub007 - 19 May 2019 1:12 AM

So you're admitting if you're born a male, you're a male. 
You're also admitting it is a stupid policy to allow people to choose what gender they are. 
With that in mind, I'm sorry, but I think it is cruel that you play with the mind of someone, and allow them to believe that they are right, when deep down inside you really don't believe them yourself, and on top of that you think their decision is stupid. 


For example, I think if you were born with a males body, your gender on your birth certificate should be male and you should be raised male unless you come to the realisation that you aren't a male but really a female stuck in the body. If this happens, then you should be allowed to change your gender if you so choose and society should see you as a woman. No one should be forced to be something they're not.

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